In reply to Post #17
how do you deliberately create a budget version??
Bulk buying with Lower profit margin, to lure you into the brand.
Different Process/materials than the expensive hooks possibly ?
how do you deliberately create a budget version??
Bulk buying with Lower profit margin, to lure you into the brand.
Different Process/materials than the expensive hooks possibly ?
In reply to Post #31
Affectionately referred to as value engineering in industry
Affectionately referred to as value engineering in industry
In reply to Post #32
Tbh I'm guilty of actually liking the normal Korda wide gape (not basix version) and the wide gape X hooks aswell, had some huge cats and carp putting up some really hard long battles and never had a problem with them, my favourite hooks are j precision but I do like the Korda wide gapes aswell
In reply to Post #1
i think the basix range and the Fox cheaper hook range is something to be applauded
the cost of stuff is getting daft, even some of the cheaper brands are starting to creep up as well (Bank BMG etc)
what used to be a simple sport is some of the time who can chuck the most cash at it :/
i think the basix range and the Fox cheaper hook range is something to be applauded
the cost of stuff is getting daft, even some of the cheaper brands are starting to creep up as well (Bank BMG etc)
what used to be a simple sport is some of the time who can chuck the most cash at it :/
In reply to Post #35
Yep agree. For years people have been chasing the next best thing.
With hooks, as an example you had blunt as hell, chemically sharpened, anti glare, teflon coated, hand sharpened. With each incremental 'progression' came an increase in cost until hooks were nearly £1 a pop.
If people don't want to pay the additional cost at least they have a range that they can go and see in the shops that only stock the bigger brands.
Yep agree. For years people have been chasing the next best thing.
With hooks, as an example you had blunt as hell, chemically sharpened, anti glare, teflon coated, hand sharpened. With each incremental 'progression' came an increase in cost until hooks were nearly £1 a pop.
If people don't want to pay the additional cost at least they have a range that they can go and see in the shops that only stock the bigger brands.
In reply to Post #36
Many hook patterns have made a switch from the original use into Carp fishing.
Look at the various hook patterns used in fly fishing, a fair few have been relegated to our league. B175 is obvious, but a few nymph or shrimp fly patterns as well.
Your point on Teflon coated, hand sharpened is true, some of these patterns even though still being sold in fly fishing say, in normal packing, don't have carp tax.
The carp angler has had his pants pulled down with premium prices for years
Many hook patterns have made a switch from the original use into Carp fishing.
Look at the various hook patterns used in fly fishing, a fair few have been relegated to our league. B175 is obvious, but a few nymph or shrimp fly patterns as well.
Your point on Teflon coated, hand sharpened is true, some of these patterns even though still being sold in fly fishing say, in normal packing, don't have carp tax.
The carp angler has had his pants pulled down with premium prices for years
In reply to Post #34
I use the wide gape X for Barbel on the Trent and that really gives them some hammer. I did use normal wide gapes but had one start to open when I landed a fish at Gunthorpe Weir (to be fair to the hook it's brutal on there, tons of water crashing over the weir every second, hard fighting Barbel and you have to keep them out of snags too).
There are has to be a reason why the basix are cheaper, and for me that rules out buying them. It's literally the most important part of your entire setup and there are a hundred places I'd save money first. I often go through 10 hooks in a 24 session on the Trent as well due to the amount of rocks bashing the points up.
I use the wide gape X for Barbel on the Trent and that really gives them some hammer. I did use normal wide gapes but had one start to open when I landed a fish at Gunthorpe Weir (to be fair to the hook it's brutal on there, tons of water crashing over the weir every second, hard fighting Barbel and you have to keep them out of snags too).
There are has to be a reason why the basix are cheaper, and for me that rules out buying them. It's literally the most important part of your entire setup and there are a hundred places I'd save money first. I often go through 10 hooks in a 24 session on the Trent as well due to the amount of rocks bashing the points up.
In reply to Post #38
I can see them being ok for a beginner, fishing a commercial hole in the ground for smaller carp on a runs water. As you say if I'm fishing for a P.B. on a tricky lake I'd want to be sure my hook was the sharpest and strongest I could buy. I still think we are being ripped off with prices.
I can see them being ok for a beginner, fishing a commercial hole in the ground for smaller carp on a runs water. As you say if I'm fishing for a P.B. on a tricky lake I'd want to be sure my hook was the sharpest and strongest I could buy. I still think we are being ripped off with prices.
In reply to Post #22
Early days they had lots of issues with snapping. It seems they learned from it and adjusted the alloy composition. At that point it seems very hard and brittle. Nowadays, it more ductile and issues are solved. Korda produces proper, solid hooks
Early days they had lots of issues with snapping. It seems they learned from it and adjusted the alloy composition. At that point it seems very hard and brittle. Nowadays, it more ductile and issues are solved. Korda produces proper, solid hooks
Simple answer for me, are they compromising on the hook material and manufacturing processes or the packaging, if it's the latter i agree, former, the difference for the angler is? Their profit margin?
I previously posted that these hooks were not very sharp, but since then I have sussed how to sharpen hooks.
A barbless rule on a new water had me looking at some alternatives and I got a couple of packets of the korda basix hooks. The hook pattern is decent enough and once sharpened they are good enough. Managed a February 40 on one, so happy days.
A barbless rule on a new water had me looking at some alternatives and I got a couple of packets of the korda basix hooks. The hook pattern is decent enough and once sharpened they are good enough. Managed a February 40 on one, so happy days.
In reply to Post #42
Looking at that second photo I don't think Jason Hayward has anything to be worried about
Looking at that second photo I don't think Jason Hayward has anything to be worried about
In reply to Post #43
yes, definitely not designer sharp, but much sharper than out of the packet.
Also, they have been oiled to prevent rusting, and this makes the points look a bit less thin on the pictures.
These are bank tackle size 4, the sharpened one hasn't been oiled yet. Looks sharper.
yes, definitely not designer sharp, but much sharper than out of the packet.
Also, they have been oiled to prevent rusting, and this makes the points look a bit less thin on the pictures.
These are bank tackle size 4, the sharpened one hasn't been oiled yet. Looks sharper.
In reply to Post #44
I don't want to be mean, but those sharpened hooks are poor. What are you using to sharpen them?
You've taken all the meat out of the front face with minimal effect on the actual point. I'd be nervous of those giving way half way down the point.
I don't want to be mean, but those sharpened hooks are poor. What are you using to sharpen them?
You've taken all the meat out of the front face with minimal effect on the actual point. I'd be nervous of those giving way half way down the point.