In reply to Post #30
To be fair mate, they had not seen much bait, hence my choice
Makes total sense to use the ultimate food bait. I choose my baits on where I fish. If you are on carp they are catchable, add pressure and it becomes at totally different game altogether for me
To be fair mate, they had not seen much bait, hence my choice
Makes total sense to use the ultimate food bait. I choose my baits on where I fish. If you are on carp they are catchable, add pressure and it becomes at totally different game altogether for me
In reply to Post #1
I haven't used them but am sure those pop-ups will catch, no it's not the best pop-ups but will work and the liquids too.
I haven't used them but am sure those pop-ups will catch, no it's not the best pop-ups but will work and the liquids too.
In reply to Post #31
We have had a look ( analysis) at some of the Nash instant action range . The “ nutritional“ values are fairly similar to some other very well known long standing boilies produced by other companies.
The “flavour” chemicals used are those that historically have been identified as effective “attractants” by those who believe in the value of them.
Additionally other chemicals that are validated known attractants/ feed inducers are present.
This “class “of boilies is predominately associated with high volume supply through retail outlets, the demand is there , and they will catch carp ; but as you rightly say it's “ “horses for courses”
We have had a look ( analysis) at some of the Nash instant action range . The “ nutritional“ values are fairly similar to some other very well known long standing boilies produced by other companies.
The “flavour” chemicals used are those that historically have been identified as effective “attractants” by those who believe in the value of them.
Additionally other chemicals that are validated known attractants/ feed inducers are present.
This “class “of boilies is predominately associated with high volume supply through retail outlets, the demand is there , and they will catch carp ; but as you rightly say it's “ “horses for courses”
In reply to Post #33
I mentioned earlier about the baits being full of Rice Flour but what I forgot to mention was that in the old day`s and probably still now, one of the best winter baits I have ever used was frozen Richworth Tutti Frutti`s and these where indeed made on a VERY cheap 50/50 basemix of Semolina, Maize Flour and soya flour yet they have tripped up 1000s of very sluggish winter carp with many many repeat catches and would still catch very wary carp now
I mentioned earlier about the baits being full of Rice Flour but what I forgot to mention was that in the old day`s and probably still now, one of the best winter baits I have ever used was frozen Richworth Tutti Frutti`s and these where indeed made on a VERY cheap 50/50 basemix of Semolina, Maize Flour and soya flour yet they have tripped up 1000s of very sluggish winter carp with many many repeat catches and would still catch very wary carp now
In reply to Post #34
Not factually correct on the breakdown of ingredients in Richworth Tutti's mate, the inclusion of Pruteen in the mix was a big contributory factor to their success
Not factually correct on the breakdown of ingredients in Richworth Tutti's mate, the inclusion of Pruteen in the mix was a big contributory factor to their success
In reply to Post #34
There was a lot more going on with Richwoths 50/50 mixes that what you have eluded to.
There was a lot more going on with Richwoths 50/50 mixes that what you have eluded to.
In reply to Post #36
50/50 mix used be known as just that Semolina/Maize flour
50/50 mix used be known as just that Semolina/Maize flour
In reply to Post #37
50% protein in the case of the Richworth freezer baits mate, that'd be the Pruteen
50% protein in the case of the Richworth freezer baits mate, that'd be the Pruteen
"A lot of people seem to miss the fact that the early very successful richworth baits were based on putreen and were freezer baits. Originally 50/50 meant 50% protein 50% none protein and not 50% semolina and 50% soya that people understand today.
Since the production of putreen ceased have there baits ever been as successful and have there shelf life baits ever been as effective as the frozen... No they haven't even though later frozen tutti baits were still reasonably effective... And that comment comes from a confirmed flavour user."
Above was comment I made on the winter bait thread and to my mind this explains why the original tuttis were successful over a long term and current "attractor baits" are only effective short term, they only have the attractor package going for them, okay for a quick session or for single baits but not much else.
Since the production of putreen ceased have there baits ever been as successful and have there shelf life baits ever been as effective as the frozen... No they haven't even though later frozen tutti baits were still reasonably effective... And that comment comes from a confirmed flavour user."
Above was comment I made on the winter bait thread and to my mind this explains why the original tuttis were successful over a long term and current "attractor baits" are only effective short term, they only have the attractor package going for them, okay for a quick session or for single baits but not much else.
2 years ago i used the strawberry crunch (?) instant thing alongside the scopex squid. Always had a thing for nash bait, because well monster pursuit , so why not. Results? 3 to 1 (or more) for the instant crap, both on the canal as on a hard lake. On some days it was nothing at all on the ss, change bait, same spot and one after another. What makes it even worse, that was in combination with the plume (goo). It goes against all my believes, crap bait, colorings, but it is what it was.
, so why not. Results? 3 to 1 (or more) for the instant crap, both on the canal as on a hard lake. On some days it was nothing at all on the ss, change bait, same spot and one after another. What makes it even worse, that was in combination with the plume (goo). It goes against all my believes, crap bait, colorings, but it is what it was.
In reply to Post #40
One thing I like about Nash baits is that they are hard, so if I want a hard bait that silvers won't destroy its always one of my first choices. Regardless of all negative feedback, personally Nash bait catches fish and has done me proud over the years.
Myself, as I get older my fishing has changed again, I think a lot of waters don't respond like they used to do to top quality baits, there are tons and tons going in some waters, and again, I have no interest in feeding the fish, all I want to do is catch them, on reflection I have wasted a lot of time and this has come from my learning, you want to be going fishing and catching fish, not just going through the motions of sitting it out feeding them. You need to be doing everything you can to catch them, all the time, every time, that's what drives me anyway lol
A top quality food source is not the be and end all, and I have come to believe this as a fact. Look at yellow pop ups, white pop ups etc, look at the fish that Marks baits catch, baitroom, UB baits, etc etc. Look at plastic corn, the ultimate non food bait!
You need bait that suits the type of water you are fishing for me. You also need to be aware of what others are doing, this can save you a lot of trial and error, once you know, then you need to be trying to take that method to another level
One thing I like about Nash baits is that they are hard, so if I want a hard bait that silvers won't destroy its always one of my first choices. Regardless of all negative feedback, personally Nash bait catches fish and has done me proud over the years.
Myself, as I get older my fishing has changed again, I think a lot of waters don't respond like they used to do to top quality baits, there are tons and tons going in some waters, and again, I have no interest in feeding the fish, all I want to do is catch them, on reflection I have wasted a lot of time and this has come from my learning, you want to be going fishing and catching fish, not just going through the motions of sitting it out feeding them. You need to be doing everything you can to catch them, all the time, every time, that's what drives me anyway lol
A top quality food source is not the be and end all, and I have come to believe this as a fact. Look at yellow pop ups, white pop ups etc, look at the fish that Marks baits catch, baitroom, UB baits, etc etc. Look at plastic corn, the ultimate non food bait!
You need bait that suits the type of water you are fishing for me. You also need to be aware of what others are doing, this can save you a lot of trial and error, once you know, then you need to be trying to take that method to another level
In reply to Post #41
“A top quality food source is not the be and end all,”
Completely agree, also some of the very successful “natural” baits would not be considered to be “ top quality” food sources
“A top quality food source is not the be and end all,”
Completely agree, also some of the very successful “natural” baits would not be considered to be “ top quality” food sources
In reply to Post #41
I agree 100%. People get too caught up trying to give them a perfect balance of aminos etc when it would make more sense to put the most attractive bait you can in front of them during the time you are there. I guess the rationale is that if you feed them something they are happy to eat then you will catch them eventually but it's not the most effective approach. I guess it depends on whether you believe in nutritional recognition or not. There's too many anomalies in that theory for me. Sweet corn, 50/50 bauts, plastic. They've all caught 1000's of fish and continue to do so.. In the time I have available I'd rather catch them than feed them some super boilie that fills all their nutritional needs. In fact I want them hungry so they eat my hookbait!
I agree 100%. People get too caught up trying to give them a perfect balance of aminos etc when it would make more sense to put the most attractive bait you can in front of them during the time you are there. I guess the rationale is that if you feed them something they are happy to eat then you will catch them eventually but it's not the most effective approach. I guess it depends on whether you believe in nutritional recognition or not. There's too many anomalies in that theory for me. Sweet corn, 50/50 bauts, plastic. They've all caught 1000's of fish and continue to do so.. In the time I have available I'd rather catch them than feed them some super boilie that fills all their nutritional needs. In fact I want them hungry so they eat my hookbait!
In reply to Post #43
Nutritional recognition is proven. But how relevant is it in a real fishing situation? I would think few of the natural prey in the lake exactly forefill the carps need.
Very simplified, if the aquatic insects have an average protein content of 55% and the carp need 40% this should in theory leave an insect feeding fish looking for other sources of carbohydrates and possibly fats.
Nutritional recognition is proven. But how relevant is it in a real fishing situation? I would think few of the natural prey in the lake exactly forefill the carps need.
Very simplified, if the aquatic insects have an average protein content of 55% and the carp need 40% this should in theory leave an insect feeding fish looking for other sources of carbohydrates and possibly fats.
In reply to Post #43
Similar thoughts to me Cambs
Attraction
Similar thoughts to me Cambs
Attraction