In reply to Post #14
So from left to right in front of you is 20ft, down to 23ft for 2 rod lengths and back up to 20ft on the right, How you finding that?
So from left to right in front of you is 20ft, down to 23ft for 2 rod lengths and back up to 20ft on the right, How you finding that?
In reply to Post #16
With a Deeper
With a Deeper
In reply to Post #17
Yeah exactly, ain't finding what I described with just a lead
Yeah exactly, ain't finding what I described with just a lead
Sure you can feel about abit but you would be unable to find the bottom of slopes
It's very easy with just a lead as the resistance changes, on the flat easy pull, up a slope more difficult, down a slope much easier. I'd go so far as to say having a float on removes the sensitivity of the lead as it makes it come down the slope much faster if you keep any sort of tension on the line. Even if you don't, if you think your mid slope and try to depth gauge it by tensioning up it'll dislodge the lead and you won't get a depth. The only way round that is a excessively heavy lead v type of float.
Besides, ime if you're looking for a slope/bar you've already decided you're fishing it front back or sides so depth isn't really important.
It's very easy with just a lead as the resistance changes, on the flat easy pull, up a slope more difficult, down a slope much easier. I'd go so far as to say having a float on removes the sensitivity of the lead as it makes it come down the slope much faster if you keep any sort of tension on the line. Even if you don't, if you think your mid slope and try to depth gauge it by tensioning up it'll dislodge the lead and you won't get a depth. The only way round that is a excessively heavy lead v type of float.
Besides, ime if you're looking for a slope/bar you've already decided you're fishing it front back or sides so depth isn't really important.
In reply to Post #18
You can with experience.
And you need to know what you're doing of course.
You can with experience.
And you need to know what you're doing of course.
In reply to Post #18
Not true. Practice makes perfect!
Not true. Practice makes perfect!
In reply to Post #21
I've no doubt you get better with practice, but without checking your findings with a marker float, or echo sounder, how do you confirm you are correct, in order to gain the correct experience?
I've no doubt you get better with practice, but without checking your findings with a marker float, or echo sounder, how do you confirm you are correct, in order to gain the correct experience?
In reply to Post #22
Leaning how to count a lead down is your biggest help. Some vids on YouTube about it.
Too many people get hung up on depth. All you really need to know is the deepest and shallowest parts of your lake, even that's not that important if you let the fish tell you where they are.
Leaning how to count a lead down is your biggest help. Some vids on YouTube about it.
Too many people get hung up on depth. All you really need to know is the deepest and shallowest parts of your lake, even that's not that important if you let the fish tell you where they are.
In reply to Post #22
Of course, you use the float until competent enough to not need it. It's worth doing because the float adds so much more disturbance to the swim
Of course, you use the float until competent enough to not need it. It's worth doing because the float adds so much more disturbance to the swim
In reply to Post #20
Guess all of us that use a lead, then add the float to find out more are mere novices compared to yourself. I'm in awe.
Guess all of us that use a lead, then add the float to find out more are mere novices compared to yourself. I'm in awe.
In reply to Post #25
Yep, just get a bait boat with feature finder, no need to thrash the water to death then either
Joke and seriously, if you can do either why not!
Yep, just get a bait boat with feature finder, no need to thrash the water to death then either
Joke and seriously, if you can do either why not!
In reply to Post #23
Not so sure about that myself - finding what depth the fish are 'at' (whether they hanging in the upper layers at 5ft in 20ft or sitting hard on the deck on a 5ft plateau in 8ft) is pretty key IMO . . .this can obvs change throughout any time period when fishing but just knowing the deepest and shallowest areas (whilst useful) and nothing in between makes no sense . . .
Not so sure about that myself - finding what depth the fish are 'at' (whether they hanging in the upper layers at 5ft in 20ft or sitting hard on the deck on a 5ft plateau in 8ft) is pretty key IMO . . .this can obvs change throughout any time period when fishing but just knowing the deepest and shallowest areas (whilst useful) and nothing in between makes no sense . . .
Sonar, Marker Float, just a lead.
All have their day given situation.
Saying that, if you have a Deeper then you don't need a Marker Float these days.
If you don't have a Sonar, to say you don't need a marker float is obviously a stupid argument.
I use a lead with braid 80% of the time, but in some situations you do need a marker float.
And I've been in this game 40 years.
All have their day given situation.
Saying that, if you have a Deeper then you don't need a Marker Float these days.
If you don't have a Sonar, to say you don't need a marker float is obviously a stupid argument.
I use a lead with braid 80% of the time, but in some situations you do need a marker float.
And I've been in this game 40 years.
In reply to Post #23
I agree. Apart from zigs. Only time I'll ever consider getting the float out.
I agree. Apart from zigs. Only time I'll ever consider getting the float out.
In reply to Post #33
Still think a marker has its place; I too prefer a bare lead (in conjunction with deeper / bboat sonar) most of the time to fully explore or check an 'area' however markers are great for margin fishing where you cannot clearly see the spot (overhanging canopies etc) and you are sometimes wading out / casting around a corner or overhang etc. . . . .
Still think a marker has its place; I too prefer a bare lead (in conjunction with deeper / bboat sonar) most of the time to fully explore or check an 'area' however markers are great for margin fishing where you cannot clearly see the spot (overhanging canopies etc) and you are sometimes wading out / casting around a corner or overhang etc. . . . .