With regards the trypsin inhibitor, wouldn't that be stopped during boiling of the nuts? I'm guessing here a bit but surely the fish would get some lipids from nuts as the lipase would act on the surface oils as it passes through the digestive tract?
So does anyone have an answer to the question?!!
Nuts are full of good fats and protein, all be it some more than others.
Carp crunch up crayfish easily and so I don't think peanuts come out whole with no nutrition taken onboard.
Long term perhaps theres detriment but i think thats debatable, but I think if its your edge on a water then go for it.
Carp crunch up crayfish easily and so I don't think peanuts come out whole with no nutrition taken onboard.
Long term perhaps theres detriment but i think thats debatable, but I think if its your edge on a water then go for it.
In reply to Post #17
They just like them!
My explanation would be that the peanuts contain fats and natural sugars. Most, if not all living creatures will feed heavily on food containing fats and natural sugars if they are available.
They just like them!
My explanation would be that the peanuts contain fats and natural sugars. Most, if not all living creatures will feed heavily on food containing fats and natural sugars if they are available.
In reply to Post #15
With regards the trypsin inhibitor, wouldn't that be stopped during boiling of the nuts? I'm guessing here a bit but surely the fish would get some lipids from nuts as the lipase would act on the surface oils as it passes through the digestive tract?
Nuts are full of good fats and protein, all be it some more than others.
Carp crunch up crayfish easily and so I don't think peanuts come out whole with no nutrition taken onboard.
Long term perhaps theres detriment but i think thats debatable, but I think if its your edge on a water then go for it.
You're missing the point Nick. Trypsin acts on protein. There is more to a peanut than protein. What about lipase and amylase?
I'll quote all the posts as it's not that simple, and im not missing any points:
For some reason, the trypsin inhibitor is not denatured by boiling, you would need to boil for over 90minutes at 100⁰C to reduce it to negligible levels.
When it comes to the crunch, only nutrients on the surface of the nuts are utilised, the actual physical nut is not broken down in either the gut of humans, or the simplified gut of fish. It passes through the system, as it was swallowed, either chewed or whole.
The 'inner' nutrients do not get digested as they can't be reached. The fibre prevents them being digested, in carp, and many humans.
Crayfish are actually an animal protein, and provide best nutrition, whereas vegetable based diets do not (in carp and dietary studies). Those fed on just a vegetable diet showed reduced growth and weight gain.
With regards the trypsin inhibitor, wouldn't that be stopped during boiling of the nuts? I'm guessing here a bit but surely the fish would get some lipids from nuts as the lipase would act on the surface oils as it passes through the digestive tract?
Nuts are full of good fats and protein, all be it some more than others.
Carp crunch up crayfish easily and so I don't think peanuts come out whole with no nutrition taken onboard.
Long term perhaps theres detriment but i think thats debatable, but I think if its your edge on a water then go for it.
You're missing the point Nick. Trypsin acts on protein. There is more to a peanut than protein. What about lipase and amylase?
I'll quote all the posts as it's not that simple, and im not missing any points:
For some reason, the trypsin inhibitor is not denatured by boiling, you would need to boil for over 90minutes at 100⁰C to reduce it to negligible levels.
When it comes to the crunch, only nutrients on the surface of the nuts are utilised, the actual physical nut is not broken down in either the gut of humans, or the simplified gut of fish. It passes through the system, as it was swallowed, either chewed or whole.
The 'inner' nutrients do not get digested as they can't be reached. The fibre prevents them being digested, in carp, and many humans.
Crayfish are actually an animal protein, and provide best nutrition, whereas vegetable based diets do not (in carp and dietary studies). Those fed on just a vegetable diet showed reduced growth and weight gain.
In reply to Post #20
Honestly I think this is all abit deep, OP didnt mention he was gonna fill the place in with peanuts so therefore why we we on about growth rates etc, protein levels and inhibitors?
Most if not all humans who eat peanuts, do so because they like the taste and texture, carp do the same. No one is advocating knocking boilie fishing on the head and going to peanuts.
Peanuts on the hair with some freebies is fine.
I mean at what point as carp anglers do we just let go of science? Afterall we all hoy lead, metal and chemicals of some nature into the water.
Honestly I think this is all abit deep, OP didnt mention he was gonna fill the place in with peanuts so therefore why we we on about growth rates etc, protein levels and inhibitors?
Most if not all humans who eat peanuts, do so because they like the taste and texture, carp do the same. No one is advocating knocking boilie fishing on the head and going to peanuts.
Peanuts on the hair with some freebies is fine.
I mean at what point as carp anglers do we just let go of science? Afterall we all hoy lead, metal and chemicals of some nature into the water.
In reply to Post #21
Sorry, did you actually read the first post?
As per the title, what does make peanuts so addictive for carp? I've been fishing a local club water using 2 rods, 1 on nuts and the other on my own boilies (decent birdfood) and the nut rod is doing probably 80% of my fish. I always thought lipids but the boilie has a good fat profile, can it be purely down to the taste?
To me that is asking about the nutritional value, the addiction that they can create, which I gave.
Sorry, did you actually read the first post?
As per the title, what does make peanuts so addictive for carp? I've been fishing a local club water using 2 rods, 1 on nuts and the other on my own boilies (decent birdfood) and the nut rod is doing probably 80% of my fish. I always thought lipids but the boilie has a good fat profile, can it be purely down to the taste?
To me that is asking about the nutritional value, the addiction that they can create, which I gave.
If a carp has eaten peanuts and it's ability to absorb proteins are then limited due to the trypin inhibitors, then if it goes on to eat other for it is still unable to absorb the nutrition from a proper food bait.
Slowly, slowly, the fish spirals down the rabbit hole of malnutrition.
And not so slowly if peanuts are overfed...
Slowly, slowly, the fish spirals down the rabbit hole of malnutrition.
And not so slowly if peanuts are overfed...
Not getting involved. Not got the time. Will just leave this here, and do the off.
Mother nature... "Here mankind, look at these nuts and berries, these are good for you".
Mankind... "But we need to sell processed food, no money in nuts or berries old girl". "We will have studies done, telling them that nuts and berries are bad, this will soon become the gospel".
I suppose that you could transfer that above, to so many different things in life really.
Haribos are not bad for carp. But, have 50 geeeeezers throwing 10kg of Haribo Gold Bears into the pond every other day... Haribos are soon not that much kop for their health anymore. A bit like a Mars bar is lush. You try living for the next six months on Mars bars alone. You'll soon be ****ed.
Mother nature... "Here mankind, look at these nuts and berries, these are good for you".
Mankind... "But we need to sell processed food, no money in nuts or berries old girl". "We will have studies done, telling them that nuts and berries are bad, this will soon become the gospel".
I suppose that you could transfer that above, to so many different things in life really.
Haribos are not bad for carp. But, have 50 geeeeezers throwing 10kg of Haribo Gold Bears into the pond every other day... Haribos are soon not that much kop for their health anymore. A bit like a Mars bar is lush. You try living for the next six months on Mars bars alone. You'll soon be ****ed.
In reply to Post #11
I stopped taking anything Tim Paisley said seriously after he, amongst others, tried to convince us that carp could naturally tell what was a nutritionally beneficial diet, but then said that peanuts shouldn't be used because of their negative effects on the carps health and that basically the carp needed saving from themselves. All about the money IMO.
I stopped taking anything Tim Paisley said seriously after he, amongst others, tried to convince us that carp could naturally tell what was a nutritionally beneficial diet, but then said that peanuts shouldn't be used because of their negative effects on the carps health and that basically the carp needed saving from themselves. All about the money IMO.
If peanuts are so bad, why are peanut meal boilies so acceptable? And peanut based liquids? After all Nick says the trypsin inhibitor isn't affected unless boiled for over 90mins. And if any amount of that is bad for carp and slowly starves them then surely even 1g of peanut anything in a bait is bad for the carp. Is someone going to tell Sticky that they should take Manilla off the shelves then because it's slowly killing carp?
Answer is simply they are only bad for the carp if over fed in vast quantities. Just like anything apart from pellet and boilies (the good ones) because they are designed to provide all aspects of nutrition for carp. Feed carp only sweetcorn, maggots, hemp, etc. and you'll see a decline in health too. Even some of the shoddy boilies that are out there.
Peanuts can be an incredible bait, fish that are unfished/rarely fished for seem to respond to them well. But I've found they can be a very hit and miss bait. Some waters they work, others they just don't.
Answer is simply they are only bad for the carp if over fed in vast quantities. Just like anything apart from pellet and boilies (the good ones) because they are designed to provide all aspects of nutrition for carp. Feed carp only sweetcorn, maggots, hemp, etc. and you'll see a decline in health too. Even some of the shoddy boilies that are out there.
Peanuts can be an incredible bait, fish that are unfished/rarely fished for seem to respond to them well. But I've found they can be a very hit and miss bait. Some waters they work, others they just don't.
In reply to Post #26
There are other ways to remove the trypsin inhibitor, and with one of the products you mentioned, you'd take the temperature to 120⁰C, as standard. I think that is how peanut oil is removed through condensation.
Peanut meal pressed, raised to 120⁰, to pasteurise it, to prevent it going off.
I know what you are saying about overfeeding, and yes, I mostly agree, but anglers are their own worst enemies.
A bait works on a water, any bait, Mainline Cell, peanuts, Halibut pellets, from the start, if that bait works, other anglers switch onto that bait, more goes in, the fish eat more, it becomes used more, more is introduced.
We also have types of water; a water that is rich in natural food, a water that can support the fish it holds with natural food, the carp are less likely to be bait reliant.
However go to a water that is bait reliant, it contains more fish than the natural food can support, the fish need bait to survive. If that bait is one product, as you point out, then fish lose condition. We go back to the 'anglers their own enemy', the working bait.
There are other ways to remove the trypsin inhibitor, and with one of the products you mentioned, you'd take the temperature to 120⁰C, as standard. I think that is how peanut oil is removed through condensation.
Peanut meal pressed, raised to 120⁰, to pasteurise it, to prevent it going off.
I know what you are saying about overfeeding, and yes, I mostly agree, but anglers are their own worst enemies.
A bait works on a water, any bait, Mainline Cell, peanuts, Halibut pellets, from the start, if that bait works, other anglers switch onto that bait, more goes in, the fish eat more, it becomes used more, more is introduced.
We also have types of water; a water that is rich in natural food, a water that can support the fish it holds with natural food, the carp are less likely to be bait reliant.
However go to a water that is bait reliant, it contains more fish than the natural food can support, the fish need bait to survive. If that bait is one product, as you point out, then fish lose condition. We go back to the 'anglers their own enemy', the working bait.
In reply to Post #22
Yes I did and it didnt warrant all the jargon and presumptions that had followed imho.
OP didnt ask about the 'addiction' nor the detrimental effects of mass baiting using peanuts.
He simply said, 'Can it be purely down to taste?'
But this is one of those posts that some people push their powers of google upon others so I shall no longer reply.
Keep up the good work on the peanuts mate, clearly its your edge on the water and as has been mentioned, view them like a Mars bar.
Yes I did and it didnt warrant all the jargon and presumptions that had followed imho.
OP didnt ask about the 'addiction' nor the detrimental effects of mass baiting using peanuts.
He simply said, 'Can it be purely down to taste?'
But this is one of those posts that some people push their powers of google upon others so I shall no longer reply.
Keep up the good work on the peanuts mate, clearly its your edge on the water and as has been mentioned, view them like a Mars bar.
In reply to Post #28
Tbh mate, I don't mind a bit of science type chat, sometimes it inadvertently puts a bit of meat on the bone so to speak. Having done more research to back up my own thoughts I think there may be a link with a dopamine/addiction type reaction from peanuts but as ever that is very much a theory (that no doubt someone will correct me on). I do see peanuts very much as a treat type food for the carp, not one I'd bait en mass
Tbh mate, I don't mind a bit of science type chat, sometimes it inadvertently puts a bit of meat on the bone so to speak. Having done more research to back up my own thoughts I think there may be a link with a dopamine/addiction type reaction from peanuts but as ever that is very much a theory (that no doubt someone will correct me on). I do see peanuts very much as a treat type food for the carp, not one I'd bait en mass
In reply to Post #1
Out of interest how are you preparing the nuts?
If it's a secret, fair play
Out of interest how are you preparing the nuts?
If it's a secret, fair play