In reply to Post #1
Was talking to a river balif thats been asked to do some of the lake aswell at a club im at, he was fishing one of the lake and a bloke round the corner was shouting he'd had a fish to his mate. he seen one of the other bailifs and asked him what size if fish his mate had caught that was shouting... the bailif said 'noones had anything' to the other bailif.
After explaining he had already heard his shouting his mate saying he had had one he said 'only a stocky mate' and that is bailif to bailif
What a world we live in
Was talking to a river balif thats been asked to do some of the lake aswell at a club im at, he was fishing one of the lake and a bloke round the corner was shouting he'd had a fish to his mate. he seen one of the other bailifs and asked him what size if fish his mate had caught that was shouting... the bailif said 'noones had anything' to the other bailif.
After explaining he had already heard his shouting his mate saying he had had one he said 'only a stocky mate' and that is bailif to bailif
What a world we live in
The usual, communicating by shouting across the lake, when asked how many you have had no matter how many they have always had at least 3 more, very overinflated sizes of fish etc
One of my clubs has some odd rules as the main three on the committee are match anglers, the fish are starving but the 1kg per day bait rule is here to stay, no bait delivery devices ie spombs, spods, even bloody baiting poles, max 1oz leads etc
One of my clubs has some odd rules as the main three on the committee are match anglers, the fish are starving but the 1kg per day bait rule is here to stay, no bait delivery devices ie spombs, spods, even bloody baiting poles, max 1oz leads etc
In reply to Post #1
A solid syndicate leader won't accept cliques, and will have everyone (including themselves) playing on the same wicket. 👍
A solid syndicate leader won't accept cliques, and will have everyone (including themselves) playing on the same wicket. 👍
In reply to Post #1
I fished a bucks club water in 2015, id been a member for about 3 years but hadn't really fished it much. Run by a bunch of good old boys but had a few fairly influential younger lads that were well into their carp fishing
About 25 acres, 30ish carp to mid 40's.
You can bait with a boat but have to cast your rigs out.
I decided to have a proper go at it in 2015. Im a fairly decent caster and in a boat found a decent spot at about 150ish yds. Proceeded to put a lot of bait on it, 3 times a week, every week for about 3 months knowing that no one else could effectively fish that spot
Unsurprisingly i started to clear up and within 4 months id had 19 different fish. Then it all started. They banned 13ft rods, they banned shockleaders and leads over 3.5 oz (these rules only applied to me apparently). It didnt stop me reaching the spot or catching so the daily rig checks and general cold shoulders started
The final straw was noticing that one of the snag trees in the edge had been cut down. I went out to my spot to have a look and amazingly, said tree was lying across it!!
Karma prevailed and that session i had the biggun and 4x30's from a spot in the margin before being banned for using too heavy leads on the margin spot
I fished a bucks club water in 2015, id been a member for about 3 years but hadn't really fished it much. Run by a bunch of good old boys but had a few fairly influential younger lads that were well into their carp fishing
About 25 acres, 30ish carp to mid 40's.
You can bait with a boat but have to cast your rigs out.
I decided to have a proper go at it in 2015. Im a fairly decent caster and in a boat found a decent spot at about 150ish yds. Proceeded to put a lot of bait on it, 3 times a week, every week for about 3 months knowing that no one else could effectively fish that spot
Unsurprisingly i started to clear up and within 4 months id had 19 different fish. Then it all started. They banned 13ft rods, they banned shockleaders and leads over 3.5 oz (these rules only applied to me apparently). It didnt stop me reaching the spot or catching so the daily rig checks and general cold shoulders started
The final straw was noticing that one of the snag trees in the edge had been cut down. I went out to my spot to have a look and amazingly, said tree was lying across it!!
Karma prevailed and that session i had the biggun and 4x30's from a spot in the margin before being banned for using too heavy leads on the margin spot
In reply to Post #19
That sounds like a wonderful club to be part of.I don't get all this jealousy in carp angling,I try to help others whilst on the bank.I have given people bait,told them spots I have found I just like seeing people catch and enjoy themselves
That sounds like a wonderful club to be part of.I don't get all this jealousy in carp angling,I try to help others whilst on the bank.I have given people bait,told them spots I have found I just like seeing people catch and enjoy themselves
In reply to Post #1
I had one, fished a small club lake (briefly I might add). So I started baiting a little overlooked margin spot every week on a Thursday after work. Just 1/2 to a kilo or so of hemp and crushed hoilies each time. The swim was not popular (why I chose it) the spot just a rod length or so out on the corner of somoe marginal lillies. One day after I had baited up and walked back to my car the bailiff comes up to me and asks why do you keep baiting that spot and never fishing it. I was a little caught on the spot and confused that he could not know what I was doing, anyway I told him I was just trying to get a spot of my own going as I didn't really know the lake. He just sort of nodded his head bit and walk off. So to give you a better idea this bailiff (bivvy tramp) basically lived at the lake and I had seen him before stood outside his permanent pitch on the other side of the lake with his hands on his hips when I was baiting up after work.
So after the meeting with the bailiff, it had been about 3 weeks of baiting and I thought ok I will give it a go this weekend. I got the Friday afternoon off work although I'm not that bothered as nobody ever fished the swim anyway. Gets there to find you guessed it bivvy tramp has moved his sun faded permanent bivvy home into the swim I have been baiting. Needless to say I didn't stop for a chat I left the lake and decided to fish elsewhere. I called back in the following week and the tramp was still present in the swim. The bailiff went on that day to proudly tell me that he had proceeded to catch 3 off the spot I was baiting including probably the best looking fish in the lake. True or not I will never know as I never went back.
I had one, fished a small club lake (briefly I might add). So I started baiting a little overlooked margin spot every week on a Thursday after work. Just 1/2 to a kilo or so of hemp and crushed hoilies each time. The swim was not popular (why I chose it) the spot just a rod length or so out on the corner of somoe marginal lillies. One day after I had baited up and walked back to my car the bailiff comes up to me and asks why do you keep baiting that spot and never fishing it. I was a little caught on the spot and confused that he could not know what I was doing, anyway I told him I was just trying to get a spot of my own going as I didn't really know the lake. He just sort of nodded his head bit and walk off. So to give you a better idea this bailiff (bivvy tramp) basically lived at the lake and I had seen him before stood outside his permanent pitch on the other side of the lake with his hands on his hips when I was baiting up after work.
So after the meeting with the bailiff, it had been about 3 weeks of baiting and I thought ok I will give it a go this weekend. I got the Friday afternoon off work although I'm not that bothered as nobody ever fished the swim anyway. Gets there to find you guessed it bivvy tramp has moved his sun faded permanent bivvy home into the swim I have been baiting. Needless to say I didn't stop for a chat I left the lake and decided to fish elsewhere. I called back in the following week and the tramp was still present in the swim. The bailiff went on that day to proudly tell me that he had proceeded to catch 3 off the spot I was baiting including probably the best looking fish in the lake. True or not I will never know as I never went back.
In reply to Post #19
little people little minds,
enyway I was on this club lake 20 plus years ago pike fishing at night, as I was a new member I could not carp fish the first year, so I'm minding my own business at 10 pm drowning 2 sardines, and the resident ***** sorry bailiff came along and asked me to wind a rod in, I did he went gutted he never caught me, after that I fukin caned them carp rotten without eny body knowing, snide rumors and dirty lies down there, the carp were nice, I soon moved on, told the club a few home truths about a group of ****s who thought thay owned the joint.
little people little minds,
enyway I was on this club lake 20 plus years ago pike fishing at night, as I was a new member I could not carp fish the first year, so I'm minding my own business at 10 pm drowning 2 sardines, and the resident ***** sorry bailiff came along and asked me to wind a rod in, I did he went gutted he never caught me, after that I fukin caned them carp rotten without eny body knowing, snide rumors and dirty lies down there, the carp were nice, I soon moved on, told the club a few home truths about a group of ****s who thought thay owned the joint.
In reply to Post #1
Depends on your outlook really. Some "Cliques" are regarded as "Cliques" if a group of 2 or more friends fish a lake at the weekend. Nothing cliquey about it, just a few mates who happen to fish friday night with a beer and a chinese. Proper secret squirrel stuff eh?
Worst experiences? Fishing both rods to a concrete wall. Rods set along the path to avoid clipping overhanging trees when casting, and a different line angle to avoid snags. Despite telling someone arriving that I was already fishing the wall, he decided to set up between me and the wall anyway. Words exchanged, and the bag head threatened to knock me out. Letter handed in at the AGM telling them why I wasn't renewing, and asking why baillifs don't pull up constant pisstakers (no names mentioned, I ain't a Bertie). Massive fish kill a year later due to completely slow inept management.
Second one happened in the spring. Was fishing one spot, and baiting another around the corner as it was a banker margin spot. No-one fished it as it was sloped and the clearing in the reeds was tight. Over the course of the evening I trickled a few handfuls of maize, occasionally popping back to look for fizzers, moving onto if required, like I have done countless times previous. Onwards to a week later, "bailiff" who I had never met in three years apart from that week pops round at 1am as i'm unhooking a bream. Strange.....who would come round at that time when only hearing two bleeps? Well, he obviously saw it as an ideal time to do a rig check. "what did you have that on?" I'm thinking "who cares? it's just a skimmer". So I showed him the plastic corn, which obviously could mean i'm using anything as pre bait. Then, he started.
B - "oh, by the way, I know you were using three rods the other night. Just a heads up, just be careful as any other bailiff would have banned you"
Me - "Errr, firstly I wasn't using three rods, I was baiting up a spot and going back to check it. Secondly, you think i'm daft enough to use a snide in the swim OPPOSITE where you're fishing?"
B - "I wasn't born yesterday. I saw you, you had the rod up sleeve, and if I catch you again i'll go to the committee"
Me - *laughs* "Up my slee.....tell you what, go to the committee, and i'll stand there with you and relay this conversation"
B - "......................................................just don't let me catch you using three rods"
Depends on your outlook really. Some "Cliques" are regarded as "Cliques" if a group of 2 or more friends fish a lake at the weekend. Nothing cliquey about it, just a few mates who happen to fish friday night with a beer and a chinese. Proper secret squirrel stuff eh?
Worst experiences? Fishing both rods to a concrete wall. Rods set along the path to avoid clipping overhanging trees when casting, and a different line angle to avoid snags. Despite telling someone arriving that I was already fishing the wall, he decided to set up between me and the wall anyway. Words exchanged, and the bag head threatened to knock me out. Letter handed in at the AGM telling them why I wasn't renewing, and asking why baillifs don't pull up constant pisstakers (no names mentioned, I ain't a Bertie). Massive fish kill a year later due to completely slow inept management.
Second one happened in the spring. Was fishing one spot, and baiting another around the corner as it was a banker margin spot. No-one fished it as it was sloped and the clearing in the reeds was tight. Over the course of the evening I trickled a few handfuls of maize, occasionally popping back to look for fizzers, moving onto if required, like I have done countless times previous. Onwards to a week later, "bailiff" who I had never met in three years apart from that week pops round at 1am as i'm unhooking a bream. Strange.....who would come round at that time when only hearing two bleeps? Well, he obviously saw it as an ideal time to do a rig check. "what did you have that on?" I'm thinking "who cares? it's just a skimmer". So I showed him the plastic corn, which obviously could mean i'm using anything as pre bait. Then, he started.
B - "oh, by the way, I know you were using three rods the other night. Just a heads up, just be careful as any other bailiff would have banned you"
Me - "Errr, firstly I wasn't using three rods, I was baiting up a spot and going back to check it. Secondly, you think i'm daft enough to use a snide in the swim OPPOSITE where you're fishing?"
B - "I wasn't born yesterday. I saw you, you had the rod up sleeve, and if I catch you again i'll go to the committee"
Me - *laughs* "Up my slee.....tell you what, go to the committee, and i'll stand there with you and relay this conversation"
B - "......................................................just don't let me catch you using three rods"
In reply to Post #23
Back in the early 2000's I got a ticket for an east yorkshire lake, It was controlled by an older guy and his mates with old school values, but not in a good way. ie They had a netting party every year to kill pike. They tolerated carpers, but with a grudge.
Half way through my second season the guy who ran it came over to me and told me not to bother applying for my ticket next year. I asked why, what have I done? Nothing, but carpers are a bloody nuisance, someone's dumped rubbish next to the gate and there's dog food tins in it, so it must be a carp angler. You struggle to argue with someone who thinks like that. I did get my ticket next year, but hardly ever fished it again.
Back in the early 2000's I got a ticket for an east yorkshire lake, It was controlled by an older guy and his mates with old school values, but not in a good way. ie They had a netting party every year to kill pike. They tolerated carpers, but with a grudge.
Half way through my second season the guy who ran it came over to me and told me not to bother applying for my ticket next year. I asked why, what have I done? Nothing, but carpers are a bloody nuisance, someone's dumped rubbish next to the gate and there's dog food tins in it, so it must be a carp angler. You struggle to argue with someone who thinks like that. I did get my ticket next year, but hardly ever fished it again.
Not so much a cliique, but funny and a bit sad at the same time..
Few years ago,I turn up to fish this lake,I know it very well as I've fished since I was 14..
Halfway through the day this guy appears,asking for my ticket,as he's the bailiff,or so he said..I told him I don't need a ticket ,the 'bailiff'...started to get cross..almost semi aggressive,
I then said I'm lake manager,and I have never ever seen you before,and told this guy,he was actually trespassing on private land,so I walked with him to the field gate,...got his reg the lot..
Never,seen him before or after...quite funny really...
Few years ago,I turn up to fish this lake,I know it very well as I've fished since I was 14..
Halfway through the day this guy appears,asking for my ticket,as he's the bailiff,or so he said..I told him I don't need a ticket ,the 'bailiff'...started to get cross..almost semi aggressive,
I then said I'm lake manager,and I have never ever seen you before,and told this guy,he was actually trespassing on private land,so I walked with him to the field gate,...got his reg the lot..
Never,seen him before or after...quite funny really...
In reply to Post #25
Do you know what I find really sad? 25+ posts on this subject and no-one with anything positive to say despite Adam asking for best experiences as well. What a shame that the negative outweighs the positive! Maybe that's the state of carp fishing nowadays?
I have to be honest, clubs and syndicates over the years have been kind to me - yes, I've met the odd fenzied, OTT bailiff / angler but can't say I've ever experienced the kind of antics described below... Fishing abroad, however, and I've had the misfortune of having to deal with all manner of antics but I take those with a pinch of salt recognising that I'm a foreigner encroaching on other people's turf. Sounds like some of you are fishing in Beirut to me...
Do you know what I find really sad? 25+ posts on this subject and no-one with anything positive to say despite Adam asking for best experiences as well. What a shame that the negative outweighs the positive! Maybe that's the state of carp fishing nowadays?
I have to be honest, clubs and syndicates over the years have been kind to me - yes, I've met the odd fenzied, OTT bailiff / angler but can't say I've ever experienced the kind of antics described below... Fishing abroad, however, and I've had the misfortune of having to deal with all manner of antics but I take those with a pinch of salt recognising that I'm a foreigner encroaching on other people's turf. Sounds like some of you are fishing in Beirut to me...
In reply to Post #13
I'm the same. Say It how it is and then they can either do the same or say nothing. They then decide if I'm trutful or not. Honesty is the best way 💯
I'm the same. Say It how it is and then they can either do the same or say nothing. They then decide if I'm trutful or not. Honesty is the best way 💯
In reply to Post #26
To be fair mate every other syndicate I have been on has been great.. Typically like minded people fishing for desirable fish. It is much easier to highlight poor experiences as hopefully they are exceptions
To be fair mate every other syndicate I have been on has been great.. Typically like minded people fishing for desirable fish. It is much easier to highlight poor experiences as hopefully they are exceptions
In reply to Post #26
That in itself is the problem mate, despite it booming after the pandemic, we are stuck with the same old problems, guys who don't want people on ‘their' lakes, and are jealous of others, managed to get out New Year's Day with a mate who is a baillif on one of my clubs that I'm in, and we were chatting to two associate members(used to be members of the old club in a new lake we acquired) and one had been warned by the general secretary(a match angler) that baiting poles aren't allowed as it's a mass baiting device, the chap had a ear pod in listening to a podcast, was warned about that too, it's getting beyond a joke
That in itself is the problem mate, despite it booming after the pandemic, we are stuck with the same old problems, guys who don't want people on ‘their' lakes, and are jealous of others, managed to get out New Year's Day with a mate who is a baillif on one of my clubs that I'm in, and we were chatting to two associate members(used to be members of the old club in a new lake we acquired) and one had been warned by the general secretary(a match angler) that baiting poles aren't allowed as it's a mass baiting device, the chap had a ear pod in listening to a podcast, was warned about that too, it's getting beyond a joke
You're always going to get a few who gang together in any club/syndicate, not a problem unless they start being selfish and trying to manipulate things in their favour.
But sensible basic rules, low membership numbers (Number of swims + 50%), plus a few long term trustworthy members you can trust (From a multiple fishery owners point of view that is) and all can be kept in check.
But sensible basic rules, low membership numbers (Number of swims + 50%), plus a few long term trustworthy members you can trust (From a multiple fishery owners point of view that is) and all can be kept in check.