I’ve recently ordered a set of the Aero Technium MgS XTD to replace my 20 Tournament Basias. Don’t want to turn this into a debate on the two reels…
Given that Daiwa just released a replacement Tournament Basia the thought crossed my mind that Shimano could do the same with the Aero Technium seeing as this model is now a few years old, and that would definitely leave me with a little bit of buyer’s remorse!
Does anybody have a view on this, heard rumours from reputable dealers etc?
Given that Daiwa just released a replacement Tournament Basia the thought crossed my mind that Shimano could do the same with the Aero Technium seeing as this model is now a few years old, and that would definitely leave me with a little bit of buyer’s remorse!
Does anybody have a view on this, heard rumours from reputable dealers etc?
In reply to Post #1
hmm, the manufacturers are always going to update reels and ranges whether thats actual improvement, production efficiiency/cost.
tbh the longer a particular model (high end at that) stays in production unchanged -the better it is likely to be.
If Daiwa improved or released a new version the Basia every 12-18 months then something was not right to start with.
I remember when I bought my baby-blue XTBs 15 odd years ago, barely had them a month before the next versions of came out. Obviously not happy.
hmm, the manufacturers are always going to update reels and ranges whether thats actual improvement, production efficiiency/cost.
tbh the longer a particular model (high end at that) stays in production unchanged -the better it is likely to be.
If Daiwa improved or released a new version the Basia every 12-18 months then something was not right to start with.
I remember when I bought my baby-blue XTBs 15 odd years ago, barely had them a month before the next versions of came out. Obviously not happy.
In reply to Post #1
The mgs have steadily got worse with each new release so a new version is not always a good thing.
The mgs have steadily got worse with each new release so a new version is not always a good thing.
In reply to Post #1
Shimano release a new tech mgs every few years,it has took Daiwa six years to release a new Basia.Having owned both of these reels i wouldnt have either again if im honest,the xtd felt the better reel at the start,I loved it but then had issues with line guard popping out,anti reverse issues too.I soon got rid of them
Shimano release a new tech mgs every few years,it has took Daiwa six years to release a new Basia.Having owned both of these reels i wouldnt have either again if im honest,the xtd felt the better reel at the start,I loved it but then had issues with line guard popping out,anti reverse issues too.I soon got rid of them
In reply to Post #3
There is an obsession with having the newest and most shiny (or blackest) reels on the market, and most carp anglers are suckers for it...
Daiwa and Shimano make slight design tweaks but little improves, and often they become lighter and more fragile.
There was a sweet spot a few years ago, but they keep trying to reinvent themselves!
My old Ultegra XT have been superceded dozens of times but maybe only improved on a few times, and any future improvement doesn't compromise the quality of the older reel.
Tarts gotta tart 🙄
There is an obsession with having the newest and most shiny (or blackest) reels on the market, and most carp anglers are suckers for it...
Daiwa and Shimano make slight design tweaks but little improves, and often they become lighter and more fragile.
There was a sweet spot a few years ago, but they keep trying to reinvent themselves!
My old Ultegra XT have been superceded dozens of times but maybe only improved on a few times, and any future improvement doesn't compromise the quality of the older reel.
Tarts gotta tart 🙄
In reply to Post #3
agreed, i rushed out and bought xtds, the ultra slow oscillation is a pain in the ass, line guard wouldnt stay in the grooves. the previous model, the spool clickers stopped working within 3 sessions, had to be "upgraded" one ended up like an ss3000 in less than a year....
i am overall happy with power aeros though and my qdx which are now ancient and never been serviced!
i'd expect that something is in the pipeline by now they are 5 year old...
agreed, i rushed out and bought xtds, the ultra slow oscillation is a pain in the ass, line guard wouldnt stay in the grooves. the previous model, the spool clickers stopped working within 3 sessions, had to be "upgraded" one ended up like an ss3000 in less than a year....
i am overall happy with power aeros though and my qdx which are now ancient and never been serviced!
i'd expect that something is in the pipeline by now they are 5 year old...
In reply to Post #6
What makes the slow oscillation a pain?
What makes the slow oscillation a pain?
In reply to Post #7
Bail Arm \ finger position on the cast.
Packing down in the Rod bag.
Though I do think the feature probably does give a few extra yards.
Bail Arm \ finger position on the cast.
Packing down in the Rod bag.
Though I do think the feature probably does give a few extra yards.
In reply to Post #8
If you think about it, it increases friction as the coils are so close together so super slow oscillation actually decreases distance
I can 100% cast further with my SS3000s than I can with my XSB mags. The line lies over the next coil to come off of the spool, not directly next to it
To the OP, XSB, XTB mags, are a much more reliable reel if you're set on shimano
If you think about it, it increases friction as the coils are so close together so super slow oscillation actually decreases distance
I can 100% cast further with my SS3000s than I can with my XSB mags. The line lies over the next coil to come off of the spool, not directly next to it
To the OP, XSB, XTB mags, are a much more reliable reel if you're set on shimano
In reply to Post #5
Couldn't agree more. I had the original Technium 10000XT's, has any Shimano reel genuinely been better? I very much doubt it.
Couldn't agree more. I had the original Technium 10000XT's, has any Shimano reel genuinely been better? I very much doubt it.
In reply to Post #7
its just ridiculously slow and for no reason, it doesn’t improve casting, might even hinder it, bringing the spool back in takes forever to cast, getting rods back in the bag is a pain, probably reason why stupid line guard jumps about too
its just ridiculously slow and for no reason, it doesn’t improve casting, might even hinder it, bringing the spool back in takes forever to cast, getting rods back in the bag is a pain, probably reason why stupid line guard jumps about too
In reply to Post #11
Why would the slow oscillation make any difference to getting them in a bag? I have never once considered how extended my spool is, though I do always remove my handles and store them separately. Am I missing something?
Why would the slow oscillation make any difference to getting them in a bag? I have never once considered how extended my spool is, though I do always remove my handles and store them separately. Am I missing something?
Bought mine about 13 years ago so no idea how many times they have been updated since.
I’ve used them pretty hard, but they have been faultless and clean up looking new.
Really can’t fault them
I’ve used them pretty hard, but they have been faultless and clean up looking new.
Really can’t fault them
In reply to Post #12
If you cast a heavy lead with the spool significantly / fully extended and give it a thump it can bend the pin . . .been there / done that
If you cast a heavy lead with the spool significantly / fully extended and give it a thump it can bend the pin . . .been there / done that
In reply to Post #14
That’s not what I’m asking though. The comment was that the ultra slow oscillation makes getting them back in the rod bag difficult, and I’m confused as to why that would be.
That’s not what I’m asking though. The comment was that the ultra slow oscillation makes getting them back in the rod bag difficult, and I’m confused as to why that would be.