Having recently been in my local tackle shop a certain pattern of hook grabbed my attention- Korda Klor surly this is a bent hook Gardner also do a similar pattern?
In reply to Post #1
80s long shank bent hooks looked like this
80s long shank bent hooks looked like this
In reply to Post #2
I know what they look like 👍. So would you say the patterns I saw are piggyback style? They look very aggressive a cause for concern in my opinion.
I know what they look like 👍. So would you say the patterns I saw are piggyback style? They look very aggressive a cause for concern in my opinion.
In reply to Post #2
The only real difference is the angle of the eye in relation to the point. Whether this makes it dangerous like the bent hook I'm not sure. The reason for the design is so you don't need to use a line aligner or shrink tubing. The good point with tubing is that it straightens when you are playing the fish so doesn't act like a bent hook rig.
The only real difference is the angle of the eye in relation to the point. Whether this makes it dangerous like the bent hook I'm not sure. The reason for the design is so you don't need to use a line aligner or shrink tubing. The good point with tubing is that it straightens when you are playing the fish so doesn't act like a bent hook rig.
In reply to Post #3
following your reasoning every curved hook or hook with a shrink tubed kicker would come under it
point is as its NOT a long shanked hook it would not double hooking etc and cause the damage that the long shanked banned hooks caused
IMHO long shank hooks used to catch fish with small mouths IE fish under 20lb
often cause mouth damage and I for one stopped using them for that reason
I have never seen any damage caused by a curved hook and been using that type pattern for years with and without shrink tube kickers
following your reasoning every curved hook or hook with a shrink tubed kicker would come under it
point is as its NOT a long shanked hook it would not double hooking etc and cause the damage that the long shanked banned hooks caused
IMHO long shank hooks used to catch fish with small mouths IE fish under 20lb
often cause mouth damage and I for one stopped using them for that reason
I have never seen any damage caused by a curved hook and been using that type pattern for years with and without shrink tube kickers
In reply to Post #5
Curved hooks with eyes in that position do double hook I've have experienced it my self with Muggas on smaller fish I don't use them anymore for this reason, these new patterns are slightly longer I can only assume the same out come - I hope I'm wrong !!! Not for me shrink tube is much safer.
Curved hooks with eyes in that position do double hook I've have experienced it my self with Muggas on smaller fish I don't use them anymore for this reason, these new patterns are slightly longer I can only assume the same out come - I hope I'm wrong !!! Not for me shrink tube is much safer.
In reply to Post #1
No, not like the old bent hooks at all.
No, not like the old bent hooks at all.
Fox Series 5 and Gardner Longshank Mugga have been on sale for a decade or more. Nothing new about them. Both are supremely effective when used in pop-up presentations, such as the 360 Rig and even the Ronnie Rig. Nothing new about them. With the 360, the eye can catch in the net mesh as the fish is being landed, so protect against this with shrink tube.
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In reply to Post #5
Double hooking is strange, I can never quite work out how it happens.
I have had it a lot on Super Specialists when I fished in Canada for hard fighting carp 20 years ago - so using “safe hooks” for 20lb fish.
Recently I had it happen twice in 2 fish when I changed from a stiff boo to using the Ronnie Rig with size 4 Muggas on a soft coated boom. When I switched back to a stiff boom the problem stopped and never reoccurred.
Double hooking is strange, I can never quite work out how it happens.
I have had it a lot on Super Specialists when I fished in Canada for hard fighting carp 20 years ago - so using “safe hooks” for 20lb fish.
Recently I had it happen twice in 2 fish when I changed from a stiff boo to using the Ronnie Rig with size 4 Muggas on a soft coated boom. When I switched back to a stiff boom the problem stopped and never reoccurred.
I used to use long shank nailers. The eye is straight.
I experienced a mouth tear or two on smaller fish, on big fish the hook holds were spot on.
Because (unfortunately!) I couldn't only target big mouthed fish I immediately stopped using them.
I experienced a mouth tear or two on smaller fish, on big fish the hook holds were spot on.
Because (unfortunately!) I couldn't only target big mouthed fish I immediately stopped using them.
IMO the Longshank nailer types are just as bad as a bent hook ever was.
Mate of mine woke me up at 3am on one session a good few years ago now, he was using both the Fox series 5 and Longshank muggas at the time....he needed help with a fish. We waddled down to his swim and he fetched the Carp back out of the margins....the double hook hold was so bad the only way I could get the hook out was to cut the shank with pliers, cut the hook at the barb and push it back the way it went in. Luckily the damage was kept to a minimum although there had been a small tear during the fight. I treated the fish and it was fine, although you could still see the damage on subsequent captures which always made me feel sick...
Would personally never use that pattern myself but I don't see a problem with the Klore or normal Mugga as in my opinion it is the longshank part that causes the damage not the aggressive curve...
Mate of mine woke me up at 3am on one session a good few years ago now, he was using both the Fox series 5 and Longshank muggas at the time....he needed help with a fish. We waddled down to his swim and he fetched the Carp back out of the margins....the double hook hold was so bad the only way I could get the hook out was to cut the shank with pliers, cut the hook at the barb and push it back the way it went in. Luckily the damage was kept to a minimum although there had been a small tear during the fight. I treated the fish and it was fine, although you could still see the damage on subsequent captures which always made me feel sick...
Would personally never use that pattern myself but I don't see a problem with the Klore or normal Mugga as in my opinion it is the longshank part that causes the damage not the aggressive curve...
In reply to Post #5
I think you will find that Luke Moffatt banned Kurvs and that type of hook at Les Gravieres because of the damage that they were doing to the fishes mouthes in there.
Every hook now has to be straight shanked.
Personally I use Muggas, not had any damage, but did stop using Longshank hooks like the Series 5 or Longshank Nailers as I had a fish that was double hooked and was a pig to get free. I had to cut the point of the hook off, then the eye and then on the bend just to get the fish unhooked without any more damage than a hookmark.
I think you will find that Luke Moffatt banned Kurvs and that type of hook at Les Gravieres because of the damage that they were doing to the fishes mouthes in there.
Every hook now has to be straight shanked.
Personally I use Muggas, not had any damage, but did stop using Longshank hooks like the Series 5 or Longshank Nailers as I had a fish that was double hooked and was a pig to get free. I had to cut the point of the hook off, then the eye and then on the bend just to get the fish unhooked without any more damage than a hookmark.
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Luke Moffat would ban hooks if he could get away with it
Luke Moffat would ban hooks if he could get away with it
I now use the JPrecision Longshank Curve size 4. Shank is shorter than the LS Mugga and Series 5. Not experienced any double hookings. I stopped using the S5 and LSM some time ago, not because of double hooking but purely down to the ****ty eyes on both patterns.