Was watching the latest Kevin Ellis Vid on Youtube earlier and he was playing all the fish side on rather than over head. And have also seen a few other people on vids doing the same
I was always taught as a kid "keep the rod tip up high" so was wondering if anyone can explain the benefits or is it just a personal thing?
Thoughts?
MH
I was always taught as a kid "keep the rod tip up high" so was wondering if anyone can explain the benefits or is it just a personal thing?
Thoughts?
MH
In reply to Post #1
Pretty difficult to steer a big fish where you want it to go from a tip at 12 o'clock mate.
Pretty difficult to steer a big fish where you want it to go from a tip at 12 o'clock mate.
I've always played them from the side, got told a long time ago from a match angler it helps bring the fish up and what ever way your pulling the fish will go the opposite so it helps bringing them in aswell, all tho all that is all in hind sight
I'm assuming he did it because of his bad back as I've never seen him do this before.
I've seen many a fish lost because anglers try to pull them out of the water rather than through it.
I've seen many a fish lost because anglers try to pull them out of the water rather than through it.
In reply to Post #1
The important thing is to keep a bend in the rod and avoid being flat rodded. I think for most people playing a fish is instinctive and you react to where the fish is going and also swim constraints.
The important thing is to keep a bend in the rod and avoid being flat rodded. I think for most people playing a fish is instinctive and you react to where the fish is going and also swim constraints.
In reply to Post #5
Exactly. During a decent fight I will almost certainly have the rod at various angles depending on where the fish is going, snags, space in the swim etc. As long as you maintain a tight line and don't try to pull the fishes head off I do not think there is aright way or wrong way, just a preferene
Exactly. During a decent fight I will almost certainly have the rod at various angles depending on where the fish is going, snags, space in the swim etc. As long as you maintain a tight line and don't try to pull the fishes head off I do not think there is aright way or wrong way, just a preferene
In reply to Post #2
Agreed
When you need to turn a fish more side strain will be exerted on it if the rod tip is low and to the side of course. Laying the rod over is more likely to unbalance a fish and often stops a run.
Agreed
When you need to turn a fish more side strain will be exerted on it if the rod tip is low and to the side of course. Laying the rod over is more likely to unbalance a fish and often stops a run.
In reply to Post #1
It's a method I've seen adopted over the past few years and it certainly works, especially when the fish gets close in and the angle of the line can get quite acute with the rod held high resulting in more hook pulls.
It's a method I've seen adopted over the past few years and it certainly works, especially when the fish gets close in and the angle of the line can get quite acute with the rod held high resulting in more hook pulls.
In reply to Post #1
I think the idea is that if the fish is being pulled up in the water it will pull the opposite way and try and pull itself down. If the fish is being pulled more sideways than up it won't pull down and comes up in the water.
As long as the rod is still curved then you are using that to 'play' the fish. The angle between you and the fish does not change only the direction you apply it.
Not yet tried it myself other than steering fish away from snags etc.
I think the idea is that if the fish is being pulled up in the water it will pull the opposite way and try and pull itself down. If the fish is being pulled more sideways than up it won't pull down and comes up in the water.
As long as the rod is still curved then you are using that to 'play' the fish. The angle between you and the fish does not change only the direction you apply it.
Not yet tried it myself other than steering fish away from snags etc.
In reply to Post #5
Exactly. Rod up or to the side, I do both depending on what's going on. With experience, you can easily get fish to go the way you want. Jut gets harder when they kite at distance. Most people seem to tickle the things as well. I play mine quite hard, quicker I get them in the better. Nothing makes me cringe more than some noddy letting the fish play him.
Exactly. Rod up or to the side, I do both depending on what's going on. With experience, you can easily get fish to go the way you want. Jut gets harder when they kite at distance. Most people seem to tickle the things as well. I play mine quite hard, quicker I get them in the better. Nothing makes me cringe more than some noddy letting the fish play him.
Definitely a mix of the two which varies with each fish and the differences in the water in front of me. Shallower waters will be different than deeper, avoiding weed beds etc with hard side strain. I would say I always bring to the net Rod up as it's just easier
In reply to Post #11
I play them on the side especially when fishing at distance as it it also makes the fish rise to the surface and doesn't wipe my lines out or get in the weed beds. Its very weird but you can actually turn the fish by playing it to the side it is running? I was told about it but didn't think it would work as it goes against everything ive ever been told.
I play them on the side especially when fishing at distance as it it also makes the fish rise to the surface and doesn't wipe my lines out or get in the weed beds. Its very weird but you can actually turn the fish by playing it to the side it is running? I was told about it but didn't think it would work as it goes against everything ive ever been told.
You should also factor in the extra pressure being applied by keeping all that line in the water, there's an awful lot of drag in trying to pull .35 mono through the water when the fish is kiting. If most of that line is in the air it's a lot easier for the fish to change direction
In reply to Post #13
When fishing with a pole and you hook a decent carp ..if it kites and you put the tip of the pole in the water the fish will then start swimming towards you....
Putting the pole in the water does the above and also can put resistance on the elastic should you snap off and will hopefully prevent the line connector from hitting the tip of the pole and causing your top section to split.
When fishing with a pole and you hook a decent carp ..if it kites and you put the tip of the pole in the water the fish will then start swimming towards you....
Putting the pole in the water does the above and also can put resistance on the elastic should you snap off and will hopefully prevent the line connector from hitting the tip of the pole and causing your top section to split.
The most pressure you could apply would be to put the rod on the floor and hand line it in.
Every inch of rod works against you, hence subconsciously grabbing the blank by the spigot to increase leverage.
All the usual talk of hookpulls with high tc rods is cobblers, because if it's up at 11-12 o'clock as is the norm you couldn't pull the skin off a banana and probably haven't set the hook to begin with.
By flat rodding yourself either straight on or to the side and applying the pressure with the 6 or so inches in front of the reel you're fighting the fish.
Poncing about with the rod up high is playing it.... and not necessary with the line/hooklinks used in carp angling. Looks the part though and feels as if you haven't gone in too over gunned with the line diameters and hook gauge
Every inch of rod works against you, hence subconsciously grabbing the blank by the spigot to increase leverage.
All the usual talk of hookpulls with high tc rods is cobblers, because if it's up at 11-12 o'clock as is the norm you couldn't pull the skin off a banana and probably haven't set the hook to begin with.
By flat rodding yourself either straight on or to the side and applying the pressure with the 6 or so inches in front of the reel you're fighting the fish.
Poncing about with the rod up high is playing it.... and not necessary with the line/hooklinks used in carp angling. Looks the part though and feels as if you haven't gone in too over gunned with the line diameters and hook gauge