Like many lakes, the one i fish has banned tiger nuts and like many people im trying to find a way around the ban.
So ... My idea would be to soak and cook roughly 1kg of tigers, leave them in a sealed bucket for about 5 days then remove the tigers from the (hopefully) gloopy mess and then add 1kg of freshly cooked chickpeas (presoaked in water/molasses) into the sealed bucket for another 2 days.
Would the cooked chickpeas soak up the tiger gloop ?
Anyone tried this before ?
So ... My idea would be to soak and cook roughly 1kg of tigers, leave them in a sealed bucket for about 5 days then remove the tigers from the (hopefully) gloopy mess and then add 1kg of freshly cooked chickpeas (presoaked in water/molasses) into the sealed bucket for another 2 days.
Would the cooked chickpeas soak up the tiger gloop ?
Anyone tried this before ?
Chick peas probably won't absorb much once prepared.
soak the tiger nuts, boil and leave for a couple of days
Drain, add extra water- soak the dry chick peas in the tiger juice and then boil.
soak the tiger nuts, boil and leave for a couple of days
Drain, add extra water- soak the dry chick peas in the tiger juice and then boil.
In reply to Post #2
Just what I was thinking but I'd reserve some 'gloop' to soak/store the prepped chickpeas in.
Boiling will destroy any active part of the 'gloop', enzymes/bacteria etc, hence reserving some.
A consideration, If you haven't used maples before the 'gloop' on them should not be underestimated, a seriously good and underused particle, a bit like tares.
Just what I was thinking but I'd reserve some 'gloop' to soak/store the prepped chickpeas in.
Boiling will destroy any active part of the 'gloop', enzymes/bacteria etc, hence reserving some.
A consideration, If you haven't used maples before the 'gloop' on them should not be underestimated, a seriously good and underused particle, a bit like tares.
In reply to Post #1
How about if the dried chickpeas are put in with the soaking tiger nuts for the last 6 - 8 hours then cooked together and left to ferment with the tigers ?
Would the sugar heavy gloop stop the chickpeas from rotting ?
Once i get an idea in my head i hate to let it go, so am i just clutching at straws here ?
How about if the dried chickpeas are put in with the soaking tiger nuts for the last 6 - 8 hours then cooked together and left to ferment with the tigers ?
Would the sugar heavy gloop stop the chickpeas from rotting ?
Once i get an idea in my head i hate to let it go, so am i just clutching at straws here ?
In reply to Post #4
You would have to get the ratio of tigers to chick peas right never done them with tigers but will curry powder and tandoori use to do alreet on them
You would have to get the ratio of tigers to chick peas right never done them with tigers but will curry powder and tandoori use to do alreet on them
Why would tiger nuts be banned and not chick peas? Most places just do a blanket ban on all particles.
In reply to Post #4
How about if the dried chickpeas are put in with the soaking tiger nuts for the last 6 - 8 hours then cooked together and left to ferment with the tigers ?
the chick peas need to be soaked for longer than 6 hours
but then they would be mixed up unless you mesh the peas or want to pick them out one by one.
Tigers do keep but the snot turns to vinegar after a while.
chicks are good for a few days, should have no issues freezing them once (if) they go sticky.
How about if the dried chickpeas are put in with the soaking tiger nuts for the last 6 - 8 hours then cooked together and left to ferment with the tigers ?
the chick peas need to be soaked for longer than 6 hours
but then they would be mixed up unless you mesh the peas or want to pick them out one by one.
Tigers do keep but the snot turns to vinegar after a while.
chicks are good for a few days, should have no issues freezing them once (if) they go sticky.
In reply to Post #1
No disrespect to any of the previous posters, but none of that is going to have much effect. Forget the chick peas. They really are not all that in terms of great particles. By the time you fill them with water (cook them) they are not going to take on any tiger gloop. The tiger spunk is hard to get into anything without watering it down, which defeats the entire purpose.
I don't fish lakes where I'm in competition with any other anglers no more, so giving up my personal edges does not matter.
This below is absolute dynamite. Something I've always kept to myself.
You can make tigers far better than they are in their natural form anyway... Whilst getting around that tiger ban.
Make a big bucket of tigers to get your gloop. Whilst that is preparing, you need to grind up a shed load of dry tigers to a fine flour. Don't buy tiger flour, grind them yourself. Once you have a big bag of fresh tiger powder, tip a load of tins of sweetcorn into a bucket. Remove the tigers from the gloop (freeze your tigers for somewhere else without a ban). Tip the gloop into the bucket with the corn. Then add your big bag of fresh tiger meal. Stir it all up and leave it for at least 24 hours.
It will resemble a ground bait with corn to the eye. It's actually carp drugs. A solid nut is not as attractive as what you just made. What you just made is far more soluble. But you will get around that tiger ban.
It's literally crack for big carp. No freezer bait in history can come anywhere close in terms of freebies.
No disrespect to any of the previous posters, but none of that is going to have much effect. Forget the chick peas. They really are not all that in terms of great particles. By the time you fill them with water (cook them) they are not going to take on any tiger gloop. The tiger spunk is hard to get into anything without watering it down, which defeats the entire purpose.
I don't fish lakes where I'm in competition with any other anglers no more, so giving up my personal edges does not matter.
This below is absolute dynamite. Something I've always kept to myself.
You can make tigers far better than they are in their natural form anyway... Whilst getting around that tiger ban.
Make a big bucket of tigers to get your gloop. Whilst that is preparing, you need to grind up a shed load of dry tigers to a fine flour. Don't buy tiger flour, grind them yourself. Once you have a big bag of fresh tiger powder, tip a load of tins of sweetcorn into a bucket. Remove the tigers from the gloop (freeze your tigers for somewhere else without a ban). Tip the gloop into the bucket with the corn. Then add your big bag of fresh tiger meal. Stir it all up and leave it for at least 24 hours.
It will resemble a ground bait with corn to the eye. It's actually carp drugs. A solid nut is not as attractive as what you just made. What you just made is far more soluble. But you will get around that tiger ban.
It's literally crack for big carp. No freezer bait in history can come anywhere close in terms of freebies.
In reply to Post #8
Might just give that a try 👍
Might just give that a try 👍
In reply to Post #8
I like this idea Mark. What the process for getting a good gloop with the tigers? I tried it once many years ago and couldn’t get a gloop 😂
I like this idea Mark. What the process for getting a good gloop with the tigers? I tried it once many years ago and couldn’t get a gloop 😂
In reply to Post #7
Excuse me for being dim but do you mean making flour from tigers that have not been cooked (straight from the bag) or cooked tigers that have been cooked and then dried ?
Excuse me for being dim but do you mean making flour from tigers that have not been cooked (straight from the bag) or cooked tigers that have been cooked and then dried ?
In reply to Post #11
Not cooked, straight from the bag as I read it.
Not cooked, straight from the bag as I read it.
In reply to Post #11
Quote... "Whilst that is preparing, you need to grind up a shed load of dry tigers to a fine flour. Don't buy tiger flour, grind them yourself."
Mark is correct. As I posted, dry uncooked tigers yes. You need to cook all whole particles throughly. Not when you grind them down to a flour though (apart from peanuts & other nuts, buy roasted ones). Maize in it's full form for example, needs to be cooked. Same as tigers, have to be cooked. Maize meal or tiger nut meal/flour in a boiled bait does not get cooked. The eggs get cooked, yes, but not the base mix ingredients. Tigers are not nuts, they are tubers. These are fine to use as a flour.
Any paste or stick mix, bag mix will contain tiger flour, or maize flour or similar. None of it is cooked. It comes from dry particles ground down into a fine flour. Apart from real nuts, this is absolutely fine & no problems for the fish whatsoever.
You would never be able to make a flour out of boiled particles. It would be impossible.
It's not being dim. If you don't know (which many don't) it's always best to ask.
Follow what I said in my first post to the letter. You will do well
Quote... "Whilst that is preparing, you need to grind up a shed load of dry tigers to a fine flour. Don't buy tiger flour, grind them yourself."
Mark is correct. As I posted, dry uncooked tigers yes. You need to cook all whole particles throughly. Not when you grind them down to a flour though (apart from peanuts & other nuts, buy roasted ones). Maize in it's full form for example, needs to be cooked. Same as tigers, have to be cooked. Maize meal or tiger nut meal/flour in a boiled bait does not get cooked. The eggs get cooked, yes, but not the base mix ingredients. Tigers are not nuts, they are tubers. These are fine to use as a flour.
Any paste or stick mix, bag mix will contain tiger flour, or maize flour or similar. None of it is cooked. It comes from dry particles ground down into a fine flour. Apart from real nuts, this is absolutely fine & no problems for the fish whatsoever.
You would never be able to make a flour out of boiled particles. It would be impossible.
It's not being dim. If you don't know (which many don't) it's always best to ask.
Follow what I said in my first post to the letter. You will do well
In reply to Post #10
Tigers in to cook, cover them by a couple of inches with water. Boil them hard with the lid on the pan to avoid evaporation. Once cooked, put them & the boiling water straight into a clean bucket. Add a load of brown sugar, put the lid on tight and leave for a couple of days.
Old or weevil infested tigers sometimes will not gloop up mate.
Tigers in to cook, cover them by a couple of inches with water. Boil them hard with the lid on the pan to avoid evaporation. Once cooked, put them & the boiling water straight into a clean bucket. Add a load of brown sugar, put the lid on tight and leave for a couple of days.
Old or weevil infested tigers sometimes will not gloop up mate.
In reply to Post #14
Soak the tigers for 24? Hours first and boil them in that water?
Soak the tigers for 24? Hours first and boil them in that water?
In reply to Post #15
Yes mate. Prepare as normal. It really is very simple. If it does not work, it's down to substandard/old tigers. I've had it a few times, normally with tigers completely pitted with weevil holes.
Yes mate. Prepare as normal. It really is very simple. If it does not work, it's down to substandard/old tigers. I've had it a few times, normally with tigers completely pitted with weevil holes.
In reply to Post #16
Thanks Mark, now to find somewhere that would have the best/freshest tiger nuts
Thanks Mark, now to find somewhere that would have the best/freshest tiger nuts
I've read on here about leaving tigers to ferment for 3 days in a bucket but can they be left for longer? (A few weeks?)
Or would doing this for longer would ruin them?
Or would doing this for longer would ruin them?
In reply to Post #1
I read your post as tiger nuts banned , to me that includes all forms, not just whole tigers.
Are you now saying other forms can be used ? If you're not sure you might want to check.
I read your post as tiger nuts banned , to me that includes all forms, not just whole tigers.
Are you now saying other forms can be used ? If you're not sure you might want to check.
In reply to Post #19
If just using the slime and some flour, how would anyone know either way?
If just using the slime and some flour, how would anyone know either way?
In reply to Post #20
No one would know, that's not the point.
If tiger nuts are banned in all forms, flour inc, using it is cheating. If you can live with that and look at your captures in the same way, all power to you, each to their own 👍
I must admit, when someone says things are banned my 1st thought isn't how can I get away with using it, just not me.
No one would know, that's not the point.
If tiger nuts are banned in all forms, flour inc, using it is cheating. If you can live with that and look at your captures in the same way, all power to you, each to their own 👍
I must admit, when someone says things are banned my 1st thought isn't how can I get away with using it, just not me.
In reply to Post #21
Many places ban tigers, but don't specify nut boilies are banned. I think you're reading way too deeply in to the question Tbh
Many places ban tigers, but don't specify nut boilies are banned. I think you're reading way too deeply in to the question Tbh
In reply to Post #22
That's true but worth checking jic. I've used nut groundnut where nuts were banned, though naturally I checked with the owner 1st 👍
And if only whole nuts are banned you could use kibble as a hook bait, pushing it right to the limit of what's allowed.
That's true but worth checking jic. I've used nut groundnut where nuts were banned, though naturally I checked with the owner 1st 👍
And if only whole nuts are banned you could use kibble as a hook bait, pushing it right to the limit of what's allowed.
In reply to Post #21
Quote.... I read your post as tiger nuts banned , to me that includes all forms, not just whole tigers. Are you now saying other forms can be used ? If tiger nuts are banned in all forms, flour inc, using it is cheating. If you can live with that and look at your captures in the same way, all power to you, each to their own 👍 I must admit, when someone says things are banned my 1st thought isn't how can I get away with using it, just not me.
Cheating? Live with that and look at your captures the same? Just not for you?
Some very over the top virtue signalling there again Vossy. You trying to "ruffle feathers" again, with so little knowledge of what you are actually chatting about?
Nuts are banned at literally 100's of lakes all across the UK. And as far as I know, not one single one of those same lakes bans nut boiled baits which are full up with nut flour. Not one as far as I know.
So how is anyone cheating? Come on fella, you are a moderator now, so all those 'holier than thou statements' are not really called for, are they? Especially when you are wrong.
Quote.... I read your post as tiger nuts banned , to me that includes all forms, not just whole tigers. Are you now saying other forms can be used ? If tiger nuts are banned in all forms, flour inc, using it is cheating. If you can live with that and look at your captures in the same way, all power to you, each to their own 👍 I must admit, when someone says things are banned my 1st thought isn't how can I get away with using it, just not me.
Cheating? Live with that and look at your captures the same? Just not for you?
Some very over the top virtue signalling there again Vossy. You trying to "ruffle feathers" again, with so little knowledge of what you are actually chatting about?
Nuts are banned at literally 100's of lakes all across the UK. And as far as I know, not one single one of those same lakes bans nut boiled baits which are full up with nut flour. Not one as far as I know.
So how is anyone cheating? Come on fella, you are a moderator now, so all those 'holier than thou statements' are not really called for, are they? Especially when you are wrong.
In reply to Post #21
I’m at completely the other end of this not just in fishing but in life.
I like to understand the rules, hey are they put in place and what are the reasons, nuts is a fairly easy one - it’s due to overuse and bad preparation- so many many fisheries introduced a ban - fair enough if it stops a few idiots tipping loads of unprepared nuts in our waters. Grinding up nuts, instantly negates the reason for the rule, so absolutely I’d do it.
20 mph speed limits outside schools, I understand the rule, but at 2am will do 30 (as long as no cameras). We now live in a nanny state, where there is rules and guidance for everything- most of my job is understanding why these things are put in place, and negotiating around the concerns. For me is definitely not cheating it’s about staying within the rules for the purpose they were made. I also fish a club water that insists on barbed hooks, I don’t want to start on that debate but I use barbless for 90% of my weed free fishing and on these particular lakes there are savage muscle covered bars and a high percentage of lost fish - in the rules any size 10s or under must be barbless - so I use size 10s.
The more you ask for clarification the more rules we get that are based on legacy thinking and me too. I fish a lake that has pages of rules, no floaters, no zigs - but in 9 foot is a 10” pop up off the lead a pop up or zig, is any pop up a floater? The rule was put in place for the wild fowl, I get it, and fish to the spirit of the rule not the detail. We had the same thing with livebaiting where it is banned and years ago someone said ‘what about maggots’
Long rant but the worlds gone mad.
I’m at completely the other end of this not just in fishing but in life.
I like to understand the rules, hey are they put in place and what are the reasons, nuts is a fairly easy one - it’s due to overuse and bad preparation- so many many fisheries introduced a ban - fair enough if it stops a few idiots tipping loads of unprepared nuts in our waters. Grinding up nuts, instantly negates the reason for the rule, so absolutely I’d do it.
20 mph speed limits outside schools, I understand the rule, but at 2am will do 30 (as long as no cameras). We now live in a nanny state, where there is rules and guidance for everything- most of my job is understanding why these things are put in place, and negotiating around the concerns. For me is definitely not cheating it’s about staying within the rules for the purpose they were made. I also fish a club water that insists on barbed hooks, I don’t want to start on that debate but I use barbless for 90% of my weed free fishing and on these particular lakes there are savage muscle covered bars and a high percentage of lost fish - in the rules any size 10s or under must be barbless - so I use size 10s.
The more you ask for clarification the more rules we get that are based on legacy thinking and me too. I fish a lake that has pages of rules, no floaters, no zigs - but in 9 foot is a 10” pop up off the lead a pop up or zig, is any pop up a floater? The rule was put in place for the wild fowl, I get it, and fish to the spirit of the rule not the detail. We had the same thing with livebaiting where it is banned and years ago someone said ‘what about maggots’
Long rant but the worlds gone mad.
Well said Roger. Could not agree more with all that you wrote. This is exactly how silly committee's & the like make their rules up. Normally very over zealous old men. In the end, there are more rules than enjoyment.
Fishing is about enjoyment. We all need to stick to the rules. I've never fished anywhere with a nut ban. Because I steer well clear of such places that impose lots of stupid rules. I understand why these rules are needed... To cater for the lowest common denominator. But when you are not catering for the lowest common denominator, common sense can be applied with sensible anglers.
Nut flour is not banned anywhere. For all the reasons outlined in your post.
Fishing is about enjoyment. We all need to stick to the rules. I've never fished anywhere with a nut ban. Because I steer well clear of such places that impose lots of stupid rules. I understand why these rules are needed... To cater for the lowest common denominator. But when you are not catering for the lowest common denominator, common sense can be applied with sensible anglers.
Nut flour is not banned anywhere. For all the reasons outlined in your post.
In reply to Post #18
Quote... I've read on here about leaving tigers to ferment for 3 days in a bucket but can they be left for longer? (A few weeks? Or would doing this for longer would ruin them?
No you can't do that sadly. The slime will appear after 2 or 3 days. It will remain for another few days, then it will return to a very watery state that smells of alcohol slightly.
The tigers are still fine. But in terms of the slime, it's time has passed.
Quote... I've read on here about leaving tigers to ferment for 3 days in a bucket but can they be left for longer? (A few weeks? Or would doing this for longer would ruin them?
No you can't do that sadly. The slime will appear after 2 or 3 days. It will remain for another few days, then it will return to a very watery state that smells of alcohol slightly.
The tigers are still fine. But in terms of the slime, it's time has passed.
In reply to Post #27
Cheers for that
Cheers for that
In reply to Post #8
Tigers arrived Mark
Tigers arrived Mark
In reply to Post #21
Vossy I'm one of those people who abides by the rules of any water I fish rigidly, but I would have no problem using the flour of any nut or particle where nuts and particles are banned. By your reasoning, if particles are banned you wouldn't be able to use any boilies either, as they contain particle flour.
Vossy I'm one of those people who abides by the rules of any water I fish rigidly, but I would have no problem using the flour of any nut or particle where nuts and particles are banned. By your reasoning, if particles are banned you wouldn't be able to use any boilies either, as they contain particle flour.
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