Just wanted to get people's opinion. Got some Nash Skyline in UV yellow and it looks really good with the feel and stretch. Really like the way when your fishing rods on the spot. I will prob use a clear leader anyway for a couple of rod lengths. Just wanted to see people opinions if the carp can see it and to see if you would think it would be detriment on smaller venues.
Not really look for a just use clear line answer. I am asking to see other peoples experience on it and to see if they would share their thoughts.
Not really look for a just use clear line answer. I am asking to see other peoples experience on it and to see if they would share their thoughts.
In reply to Post #1
Not really the answer you wanted, but lots of debate years ago regards is obvious better especially when away from your actual spot (leader) if fish can avoid they seemed happier according to many, rather than a line that they can't see but feel.
Not really the answer you wanted, but lots of debate years ago regards is obvious better especially when away from your actual spot (leader) if fish can avoid they seemed happier according to many, rather than a line that they can't see but feel.
In reply to Post #1
I personally don't think carp can see your line , they might feel it as they swim through your area , personally I fish dead tight lines and feel that slack lines is just a fad.
I personally don't think carp can see your line , they might feel it as they swim through your area , personally I fish dead tight lines and feel that slack lines is just a fad.
in short - yes they can. they have better eyesight than us & can see more colors than humans so it may not actually appear yellow to them.
can they associate it with danger? maybe once they have encountered it a few times.
if you are worried about it I would recommend using a marker to break up the color pattern near baited end & maybe look at ways of getting it pinned to the bottom.
good luck
can they associate it with danger? maybe once they have encountered it a few times.
if you are worried about it I would recommend using a marker to break up the color pattern near baited end & maybe look at ways of getting it pinned to the bottom.
good luck
In reply to Post #1
I watched a carp swim towards my line in the margin as I was fishing a zig, so tight to the lead.
As it approached the line it slowed and stopped before turning and going back the way it had come ! It definitely saw the line and didn't want to swim through it .
If your fishing out in the pond there's a fair chance your line or end tackle is on the deck anyway, especially if using lead core.
I watched a carp swim towards my line in the margin as I was fishing a zig, so tight to the lead.
As it approached the line it slowed and stopped before turning and going back the way it had come ! It definitely saw the line and didn't want to swim through it .
If your fishing out in the pond there's a fair chance your line or end tackle is on the deck anyway, especially if using lead core.
In reply to Post #4
I agree, but for me, not all the time. (lots of factors involved)
I agree, but for me, not all the time. (lots of factors involved)
In reply to Post #1
Yellow lines are fine, but personally I'd avoid double yellows or you risk getting a carping ticket
Yellow lines are fine, but personally I'd avoid double yellows or you risk getting a carping ticket
Its carp feeling the line id be bothered about. I use all different colour lines piking no problems
In reply to Post #1
I used some yellow line a few seasons ago and it didn't seem to make any difference, I didn't catch any.....only joking I had a few. I personally don't think it matters what colour you use.
I used some yellow line a few seasons ago and it didn't seem to make any difference, I didn't catch any.....only joking I had a few. I personally don't think it matters what colour you use.
In reply to Post #9
Why do folk use yellow pop ups....
Go figure!
Be speculated forever without a formative answer
Why do folk use yellow pop ups....
Go figure!
Be speculated forever without a formative answer
In reply to Post #10
Be speculated forever without a formative answer
yellow light (approx 580nm) falls in the middle of a carp's visible spectrum which would suggest that it is the easiest color for them to see.
Be speculated forever without a formative answer
yellow light (approx 580nm) falls in the middle of a carp's visible spectrum which would suggest that it is the easiest color for them to see.
We used to use yellow line (from memory Daiwa tournament) sea fishing to attract fish to the bait, even bright yellow and orange beads right next to the hook.
Only way to know for sure is to try it and I'd say fill yer boots and experiment, fishing is meant to be fun after all and you could be onto a winner 🙂
Only way to know for sure is to try it and I'd say fill yer boots and experiment, fishing is meant to be fun after all and you could be onto a winner 🙂
In reply to Post #12
But surely it's the diameter of the line that's of interest , does the carps eyesight have sufficient resolution to see 0.3mm.?
But surely it's the diameter of the line that's of interest , does the carps eyesight have sufficient resolution to see 0.3mm.?
In reply to Post #12
We used to use yellow line (from memory Daiwa tournament) sea fishing to attract fish to the bait, even bright yellow and orange beads right next to the hook.
Not sure on that anaolgy in this case, the fish usually only get to associate those colours with danger once
..unless you catch and release of course.
If you believe in learnt behaviour in Carp then they're exposed to certain colours in danger situations multiple times and can learn to avoid/spook from them. I think this behaviour has been evident for me when floater fishing with a orange topped float, use black marker to cover the orange less spooking...hmm.
We used to use yellow line (from memory Daiwa tournament) sea fishing to attract fish to the bait, even bright yellow and orange beads right next to the hook.
Not sure on that anaolgy in this case, the fish usually only get to associate those colours with danger once
..unless you catch and release of course.If you believe in learnt behaviour in Carp then they're exposed to certain colours in danger situations multiple times and can learn to avoid/spook from them. I think this behaviour has been evident for me when floater fishing with a orange topped float, use black marker to cover the orange less spooking...hmm.
Nah, I don't believe in learnt behaviour in any fish otherwise they wouldn't keep eating little round balls the same size and colours would they?
It's only anglers who convince themselves carp (fish) have massive IQ's and are dead clever, I'm quite the opposite.
It's only anglers who convince themselves carp (fish) have massive IQ's and are dead clever, I'm quite the opposite.
In reply to Post #15
I fully agree with you , they are fish and designed to breed , eat and avoid danger.
I fully agree with you , they are fish and designed to breed , eat and avoid danger.
In reply to Post #15
Nah, I don't believe in learnt behaviour in any fish otherwise they wouldn't keep eating little round balls the same size and colours would they?
Why not, the vast majority aren't dangerous. Some fly fisheries introduced keep instead of catch and release because because fish learned and weren't getting caught.
It's only anglers who convince themselves carp (fish) have massive IQ's and are dead clever, I'm quite the opposite.
Humans in general think they know what other animals think or do, in most cases without any evidence to back up their thoughts, I like to try and keep a open mind and go of what I see/experience as anything else is conjecture (nowt wrong with that it opens discussion).
Nah, I don't believe in learnt behaviour in any fish otherwise they wouldn't keep eating little round balls the same size and colours would they?
Why not, the vast majority aren't dangerous. Some fly fisheries introduced keep instead of catch and release because because fish learned and weren't getting caught.
It's only anglers who convince themselves carp (fish) have massive IQ's and are dead clever, I'm quite the opposite.
Humans in general think they know what other animals think or do, in most cases without any evidence to back up their thoughts, I like to try and keep a open mind and go of what I see/experience as anything else is conjecture (nowt wrong with that it opens discussion).
A long time ago Rod Hutchinson came up with the idea that if a carp could see the line then they wouldn't get spooked. It was only when they felt something they couldn't see.
As for colours in general i don't think it makes a lot of difference but did read that purple was a colour that they see the best.
If you google...............what colours do carp see best
You'll get a lot of conflicting answers, they can't all be right
As for colours in general i don't think it makes a lot of difference but did read that purple was a colour that they see the best.
If you google...............what colours do carp see best
You'll get a lot of conflicting answers, they can't all be right
In reply to Post #17
If carp were so intelligent they would not repeatedly get caught on yellow pop ups with no nutritional value, or little round balls either.
If carp were so intelligent they would not repeatedly get caught on yellow pop ups with no nutritional value, or little round balls either.
In reply to Post #18
if a carp could see the line then they wouldn't get spooked. It was only when they felt something they couldn't see.
I agree 100% a lot of people really over estimate a carps intelligence
if a carp could see the line then they wouldn't get spooked. It was only when they felt something they couldn't see.
I agree 100% a lot of people really over estimate a carps intelligence
carp intelligence is an interesting topic - lots of very confused thoughts & opinions that are based on them experiencing senses & thinking the same as we do.
of course we know that this isn't true but we still seem to think that way because it is a total head**** to not think like we do. there are some area's where they do though - very basic & primal thoughts & some very important ones too.
how they behave & act became a lot easier for me to understand when I discovered what drives all behaviors in all living creatures - the desire to be comfortable - and what that actually means in the simplest terms.
of course we know that this isn't true but we still seem to think that way because it is a total head**** to not think like we do. there are some area's where they do though - very basic & primal thoughts & some very important ones too.
how they behave & act became a lot easier for me to understand when I discovered what drives all behaviors in all living creatures - the desire to be comfortable - and what that actually means in the simplest terms.
All things considered, seriously, who'd want to use a yellow line over a line that blends in better with natural surroundings.
Carp learn by association, it's not intelligence, it's natural instinct. If you put food down for your dog and everytime it goes to eat you kick it in the face it's gonna wait for you to walk away before eating. Same goes for carp with lines, until greed takes over.
In reply to Post #23
Do you have any scientific evidence that carp learn by association.?
Do you have any scientific evidence that carp learn by association.?
In reply to Post #24
Na. Do you have any they don't?. Also I'm sure there has been some studies with carp and auto feeders on farms. They learn that by mouthing the feeder it releases food. Not scientific I grant you.
Na. Do you have any they don't?. Also I'm sure there has been some studies with carp and auto feeders on farms. They learn that by mouthing the feeder it releases food. Not scientific I grant you.
In reply to Post #25
If they learn by association why do they repeatedly get caught on little coloured round balls.
If they learn by association why do they repeatedly get caught on little coloured round balls.
In reply to Post #23
Funnily enough JamieNow peaked my interest on the subject last night so I did a little reading up on learnt behaviour versus intelligence. There was one paper which said intelligence could be a learnt behaviour and not something your born with or governed by brain size (hence why humans use so little of it), and given the arguments they cited its hard to disagree. If that is the case Carp do show levels of intelligence, imo.
And re, why do Carp keep getting caught on boilies, what are they meant to do, stop investigating food sources with one of the only method they have, their mouths?
Still, interesting that some Carp go years without capture even though they used to get caught on boilies and trip up on the odd one every now and again.
Funnily enough JamieNow peaked my interest on the subject last night so I did a little reading up on learnt behaviour versus intelligence. There was one paper which said intelligence could be a learnt behaviour and not something your born with or governed by brain size (hence why humans use so little of it), and given the arguments they cited its hard to disagree. If that is the case Carp do show levels of intelligence, imo.
And re, why do Carp keep getting caught on boilies, what are they meant to do, stop investigating food sources with one of the only method they have, their mouths?
Still, interesting that some Carp go years without capture even though they used to get caught on boilies and trip up on the odd one every now and again.
In reply to Post #26
Good point. Again might be a greed thing. We all know how those bright ones launched around in spring start to become less effective come the warmer months. Some would argue it's cos their senses are dulled coming out the winter so that's why they work. It's all opinions.
Good point. Again might be a greed thing. We all know how those bright ones launched around in spring start to become less effective come the warmer months. Some would argue it's cos their senses are dulled coming out the winter so that's why they work. It's all opinions.
In reply to Post #27
That's just because they don't like the taste/signals or maybe they're wired differently to the crowd?
I see it like putting a massive steak Infront of a vegan unless they're really really hungry they'll wait until they find some grass or vegan dust to eat.
The missing mirror used to go years without being caught and we all just accepted it preferred a diet of naturals rather than some nasty thing that looks and smells different.
That's just because they don't like the taste/signals or maybe they're wired differently to the crowd?
I see it like putting a massive steak Infront of a vegan unless they're really really hungry they'll wait until they find some grass or vegan dust to eat.
The missing mirror used to go years without being caught and we all just accepted it preferred a diet of naturals rather than some nasty thing that looks and smells different.
In reply to Post #27
Ultimately, they're fat lazy dumb silt pigs so if they aren't mooching around and little balls keep dropping on / around them why wouldn't they keep eating them?
Like being at an all you can eat buffet 😂😂
Ultimately, they're fat lazy dumb silt pigs so if they aren't mooching around and little balls keep dropping on / around them why wouldn't they keep eating them?
Like being at an all you can eat buffet 😂😂
In reply to Post #30
Ultimately if they had intelligence or learning as many believe they would only get caught once on a little round ball.
However I'm not sure that they only have a three second memory as has been published.
Ultimately if they had intelligence or learning as many believe they would only get caught once on a little round ball.
However I'm not sure that they only have a three second memory as has been published.
In reply to Post #31
Really, and if that little round ball is their only major food source as it is in many Carp fisheries?
Really, and if that little round ball is their only major food source as it is in many Carp fisheries?
In reply to Post #29
Another theory for carp that don't get caught much was the way they feed, it wasn't suggested that they deliberately feed in such a way so as not to get caught, it was just the way they fed.
for example the way did, or did not "up ending" while eating.
I'm not saying I subscribe to this theory, just saying there's so many about.
Another theory for carp that don't get caught much was the way they feed, it wasn't suggested that they deliberately feed in such a way so as not to get caught, it was just the way they fed.
for example the way did, or did not "up ending" while eating.
I'm not saying I subscribe to this theory, just saying there's so many about.
In reply to Post #31
So what did they eat before the conception of boilies.?
So what did they eat before the conception of boilies.?
In reply to Post #33
Fish that used to get caught 4 or 5 times a year are often the ones that go on the missing list for 4 years only to turn up again, and rarely have they lost weight. So their habits or way they eat can change, or perhaps mouth damage makes them less likely to be hooked? It's often the fish with the underslung mouths that get caught the least often, I think because our rigs just aren't efficient for the way they feed.
Fish that used to get caught 4 or 5 times a year are often the ones that go on the missing list for 4 years only to turn up again, and rarely have they lost weight. So their habits or way they eat can change, or perhaps mouth damage makes them less likely to be hooked? It's often the fish with the underslung mouths that get caught the least often, I think because our rigs just aren't efficient for the way they feed.
In reply to Post #24
there are are loads of scientific paper published that carp learn by association including some that show they are able to distinguish between different type of nutrients in a food depending on the water temperature they were being kept in (Yamamoto & Shima 1991). the same experiment used different colored foods to ensure that they were not associating the food color with the nutrients in the food. it showed they preferred a diet of carbs & fats over protien at lower temperatures.
go onto sciencedirect.com & search for "common carp" - you will be amazed by some of the research that has been performed on carp that hasn't made it into carp fishing yet. in fact most of it hasn't made it into carp fishing as I don't think that there are that many people looking - LOL
brain function, identifying stress via gene reaction, benefits of probiotic diets, detrimental effects of too much salt, sugar & hyperglycemia, night vision etc there's years & years of relevant stuff that never gets mentioned in carp literature & most anglers call bollox because it didn't come from a big name or wasn't written about by the likes of Wilton or Maddocks (cough - John Baker).
most of the "science" spouted in carp fishing is based on echo chambers & ill-informed opinions, usually based on how we as humans sense & react to things which is ridiculous considering how biologically different we are to them.
the likes of hutchy & ken t were years ahead of everyone else when it came to applying science to carp fishing & for some reason their approach was lost as convenience took over & people didn't need to look into it anymore.
using your logic about not repeatedly eating little round balls because they get caught on them assumes that intelligence means an animal will always do what is best for it. we have a huge tobacco industry that proves that to be wrong.
as mentioned in an earlier post, the concept of achieving comfort, feeling pleasure & 'liking' things is a very basic behavior that has aided evolution of life on earth for billions of years.
carp eat baits because they like the look, taste or smell of them. getting caught is a minor inconvenience. fish go uncaught because anglers don't present baits & rigs that they like enough to eat without caution.
there are are loads of scientific paper published that carp learn by association including some that show they are able to distinguish between different type of nutrients in a food depending on the water temperature they were being kept in (Yamamoto & Shima 1991). the same experiment used different colored foods to ensure that they were not associating the food color with the nutrients in the food. it showed they preferred a diet of carbs & fats over protien at lower temperatures.
go onto sciencedirect.com & search for "common carp" - you will be amazed by some of the research that has been performed on carp that hasn't made it into carp fishing yet. in fact most of it hasn't made it into carp fishing as I don't think that there are that many people looking - LOL
brain function, identifying stress via gene reaction, benefits of probiotic diets, detrimental effects of too much salt, sugar & hyperglycemia, night vision etc there's years & years of relevant stuff that never gets mentioned in carp literature & most anglers call bollox because it didn't come from a big name or wasn't written about by the likes of Wilton or Maddocks (cough - John Baker).
most of the "science" spouted in carp fishing is based on echo chambers & ill-informed opinions, usually based on how we as humans sense & react to things which is ridiculous considering how biologically different we are to them.
the likes of hutchy & ken t were years ahead of everyone else when it came to applying science to carp fishing & for some reason their approach was lost as convenience took over & people didn't need to look into it anymore.
using your logic about not repeatedly eating little round balls because they get caught on them assumes that intelligence means an animal will always do what is best for it. we have a huge tobacco industry that proves that to be wrong.
as mentioned in an earlier post, the concept of achieving comfort, feeling pleasure & 'liking' things is a very basic behavior that has aided evolution of life on earth for billions of years.
carp eat baits because they like the look, taste or smell of them. getting caught is a minor inconvenience. fish go uncaught because anglers don't present baits & rigs that they like enough to eat without caution.
In reply to Post #36
Thanks for your very detailed response , I'll definitely look at the website you mention.
I guess what I am getting at is that I feel we give the carp far too much credit in the intelligence stakes.
Yes you are right you cannot compare Carp to humans.
Thanks for your very detailed response , I'll definitely look at the website you mention.
I guess what I am getting at is that I feel we give the carp far too much credit in the intelligence stakes.
Yes you are right you cannot compare Carp to humans.
Surely the only way to work this out it by trial.
A runsy type water with 3 rods tight on the same spot. Identical rigs and bait. No rig tube if allowed. One with clear line one with green/brown line the other with yellow.
Then see the results over 3/4 days. Then again on a similar venue.
It still won't mean it's going to be the same on all venues and also the difference between day and night.
A runsy type water with 3 rods tight on the same spot. Identical rigs and bait. No rig tube if allowed. One with clear line one with green/brown line the other with yellow.
Then see the results over 3/4 days. Then again on a similar venue.
It still won't mean it's going to be the same on all venues and also the difference between day and night.
In reply to Post #35
Years ago match fishing at castle Ashby in the summer floaters allowed. First thing we realised was some days they would only take pink or white marshmallows. Second season so after a 6 months lay off from floaters exactly the same. But after a few weeks they would not touch a full marshmallow had to be a half. Third year they would not touch a full marshmallow at all other than odd fish.
That says to me they had not only remembered it but did so over the the winter period of five to six on even 7 months
This was noted by all the anglers that regularly fished the matches.
Years ago match fishing at castle Ashby in the summer floaters allowed. First thing we realised was some days they would only take pink or white marshmallows. Second season so after a 6 months lay off from floaters exactly the same. But after a few weeks they would not touch a full marshmallow had to be a half. Third year they would not touch a full marshmallow at all other than odd fish.
That says to me they had not only remembered it but did so over the the winter period of five to six on even 7 months
This was noted by all the anglers that regularly fished the matches.
In reply to Post #39
I politely disagree. I don't think carp are that clever or have very good memories.
My guess is what you and the others experienced was an idea that became confirmation bias.
I politely disagree. I don't think carp are that clever or have very good memories.
My guess is what you and the others experienced was an idea that became confirmation bias.
In reply to Post #5
As it approached the line it slowed and stopped before turning and going back the way it had come ! It definitely saw the line and didn't want to swim through it .
Had similar myself, quite a while, ago now, fishing with my lines over a marginal weedbed, carp comes swimming down, stopped and held for a couple of seconds then turned and went and sat in a weedbed for the rest of the day. They know what's going off. Now whether it's the line or light refraction from the sun transmitting through the line I'm not sure but at certain times they can see it.
Posted a while ago about fluorocarbon and a bloke in Florida was saying it attracted fish as it flashed in the water as the light transmitted through it, how true that is I'm not sure but it's food for thought
Long time since I read it, there a scientific paper on the net about carp eyesight, I think they can see in blue, red, green and in black light, UV, which makes you wonder. I used to put pop ups under UV light to see what they look like, think in once posted some pictures on here of the different colours
I have had a preference from brown lines for years and that came from some match friends who were fishing for roach which have very good eyesight. They used a brown mono line from Maver and were telling me that bites were far more frequent to clear and green
As it approached the line it slowed and stopped before turning and going back the way it had come ! It definitely saw the line and didn't want to swim through it .
Had similar myself, quite a while, ago now, fishing with my lines over a marginal weedbed, carp comes swimming down, stopped and held for a couple of seconds then turned and went and sat in a weedbed for the rest of the day. They know what's going off. Now whether it's the line or light refraction from the sun transmitting through the line I'm not sure but at certain times they can see it.
Posted a while ago about fluorocarbon and a bloke in Florida was saying it attracted fish as it flashed in the water as the light transmitted through it, how true that is I'm not sure but it's food for thought
Long time since I read it, there a scientific paper on the net about carp eyesight, I think they can see in blue, red, green and in black light, UV, which makes you wonder. I used to put pop ups under UV light to see what they look like, think in once posted some pictures on here of the different colours
I have had a preference from brown lines for years and that came from some match friends who were fishing for roach which have very good eyesight. They used a brown mono line from Maver and were telling me that bites were far more frequent to clear and green
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