Do people still see any relevance in this on the rivers?
Once anglers are off the rivers its open season for poachers, illegal 'angling', predation, pollution (ie: not detected) etc etc.
As fish spawn at different times in varied conditions this just seems more ridiculous every year yet it remains in place. So so antiquated.
What are your views?
Once anglers are off the rivers its open season for poachers, illegal 'angling', predation, pollution (ie: not detected) etc etc.
As fish spawn at different times in varied conditions this just seems more ridiculous every year yet it remains in place. So so antiquated.
What are your views?
I guess the argument would be how do you police leaving them alone while they do spawn. Even the supposedly educated in fish care seem to find the temptation to fish for them too much.
In reply to Post #1
Love the closed season personally. Walking the river fre from anglers gives me the opportunity to have a proper look at all arrears and check depths at different states of tide. As a fly angler I can fish the closed but most years it's only the last month of the closed season that's productive when the flies start to hatch..
Love the closed season personally. Walking the river fre from anglers gives me the opportunity to have a proper look at all arrears and check depths at different states of tide. As a fly angler I can fish the closed but most years it's only the last month of the closed season that's productive when the flies start to hatch..
In reply to Post #3
I agree. The lakes I fish they will close down parts of the lake while they spawn rather than observing the close season. As soon as they start I put the rods down for at least a month. Why you would want to fish a lake where fish are spawning I can't understand, even if you're up the other end. And why would you want to catch them just after they have finished? They're battered and empty.
It's a good excuse to give it a rest and think about something else for 6 weeks
I agree. The lakes I fish they will close down parts of the lake while they spawn rather than observing the close season. As soon as they start I put the rods down for at least a month. Why you would want to fish a lake where fish are spawning I can't understand, even if you're up the other end. And why would you want to catch them just after they have finished? They're battered and empty.
It's a good excuse to give it a rest and think about something else for 6 weeks
In reply to Post #4
Last year we had the BCAC fish a comp while they were spawning and they insisted the comp went ahead. Sadly they are here again this coming weekend but the lake they are on finished spawning a week ago. They lake is very weeded now though so let's hope if they snag any fish they do the right thing and report it so the boat can go out to free the fish rather than them pulling for a break to save themselves time.
Last year we had the BCAC fish a comp while they were spawning and they insisted the comp went ahead. Sadly they are here again this coming weekend but the lake they are on finished spawning a week ago. They lake is very weeded now though so let's hope if they snag any fish they do the right thing and report it so the boat can go out to free the fish rather than them pulling for a break to save themselves time.
In reply to Post #5
Most clubs, syndicates i fish impose their own shutdown where applicable. Just sense than being forced to shut at a time that does not suit.
Most clubs, syndicates i fish impose their own shutdown where applicable. Just sense than being forced to shut at a time that does not suit.
In reply to Post #1
The old close season was never about fish and when they spawn, if it was it would have been May and June, although species will spawn at different times; generally, pike in March, Perch March/April, Dace - March/April, Roach - April/May, Bream -May, Chub/Barbel - May June.
The old close season was never about fish and when they spawn, if it was it would have been May and June, although species will spawn at different times; generally, pike in March, Perch March/April, Dace - March/April, Roach - April/May, Bream -May, Chub/Barbel - May June.
In reply to Post #6
Only on lakes though, same with the eleven lakes that surround me much to the annoyance of some sindy members.
Only on lakes though, same with the eleven lakes that surround me much to the annoyance of some sindy members.
In reply to Post #7
Eh?
The close season was/is mid March to mid June. It is to protect fish while they spawn. They can't cover every species obviously, but everything on your list falls in or around that window.
Eh?
The close season was/is mid March to mid June. It is to protect fish while they spawn. They can't cover every species obviously, but everything on your list falls in or around that window.
In reply to Post #9
Apparently the close season was set more for Salmon and Trout more than any other species.
History of the coarse fish close season
Maybe other reasons but this is the first to come up on Google
Apparently the close season was set more for Salmon and Trout more than any other species.
History of the coarse fish close season
Maybe other reasons but this is the first to come up on Google
IMHO The sooner they scrap the silly closed season the better
sick of our rivers getting raped and destroyed by either pollution or poachers fishing for the pot
both these things with more eyes on the bank would be cut down its now surely be proven the removal of the closed season on still waters has had NO detrimental effect and the same would go for our rivers kids would be able to go fishing more in the summer too
all this aold TOSH about banks recovering is laughable
sick of our rivers getting raped and destroyed by either pollution or poachers fishing for the pot
both these things with more eyes on the bank would be cut down its now surely be proven the removal of the closed season on still waters has had NO detrimental effect and the same would go for our rivers kids would be able to go fishing more in the summer too
all this aold TOSH about banks recovering is laughable
In reply to Post #10
Salmon, trout, carp...they're all spawning in or around that window so it makes sense to leave them alone during that time.
The fact that the rivers may be vulnerable to poaching during that time doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't fish for spawning fish. If that is the case then the rivers should be looked after by the correct authorities. But that is a different point. I notice the head of the Angling Trust, all pleased with himself and enjoying the sound of his own voice while pushing for angling during lock down has gone very quiet. Apart from fishing jollys around the country I haven't heard a peep about the pollution issues, but I'm not on social media so may have missed it. May be back to the toothless status quo after convincing everyone to hand over money for membership.
Salmon, trout, carp...they're all spawning in or around that window so it makes sense to leave them alone during that time.
The fact that the rivers may be vulnerable to poaching during that time doesn't change the fact that you shouldn't fish for spawning fish. If that is the case then the rivers should be looked after by the correct authorities. But that is a different point. I notice the head of the Angling Trust, all pleased with himself and enjoying the sound of his own voice while pushing for angling during lock down has gone very quiet. Apart from fishing jollys around the country I haven't heard a peep about the pollution issues, but I'm not on social media so may have missed it. May be back to the toothless status quo after convincing everyone to hand over money for membership.
In reply to Post #11
Any well managed still water closes while the fish are spawning. That would obviously reduce the effect on the fish
Kids are in school from March to June, the busiest time of the school year with exams etc. Surely better that they fish for healthy fish when the holidays start up, they still have late June to early March to fish.
Any well managed still water closes while the fish are spawning. That would obviously reduce the effect on the fish
Kids are in school from March to June, the busiest time of the school year with exams etc. Surely better that they fish for healthy fish when the holidays start up, they still have late June to early March to fish.
Anyone ever stop and think that the close season is not solely enforced because of angling? Because it's used as a condition on permits for river works to minimise physical works during the period as to not disturb spawning fish. Albeit locally the fish spawn a bit later on most years in to July such as the barbel and carp.
Just worth stopping and thinking that it's about protecting spawning fish and the eggs and fry in general, not just from anglers. There's a wider picture.
Just worth stopping and thinking that it's about protecting spawning fish and the eggs and fry in general, not just from anglers. There's a wider picture.
I very much doubt that carp were given any consideration when the closed season first came in as they aren't indigenous, nor were they widespread at the time.
Some stillwaters run very successfully and report no increase in carp mortality without bothering to close when they're spawning.
Some stillwaters run very successfully and report no increase in carp mortality without bothering to close when they're spawning.
In reply to Post #15
As ever good sense Gerry
As ever good sense Gerry
From an “All-rounder's “point of view there is no closed season it's just a case of switching species. When the River Coarse Closed season begins the Game Season opens, I probably actually spend more time on the Rivers in the Coarse Closed season fluff chucking.
I was always lead to believe it was the Gentry who introduced the so called River Coarse Closed Season to keep the Commoners off the Banks so they had them to themselves, during March & April for the spring Salmon.
I was always lead to believe it was the Gentry who introduced the so called River Coarse Closed Season to keep the Commoners off the Banks so they had them to themselves, during March & April for the spring Salmon.
In reply to Post #17
1878 act. Jesus wept... progressive society or what?!
Has anyone here tried to relay the close season to the general public? Feel a right T*T saying 'oh yeh can fish a canal or a lake but not a river'..... and then get that quizzical look!
No wonder theres illegal fishing out of season as it baffles those not in the know, new to the sport, kids or those that choose not to know! What a stupid backward system we have to accept.
1878 act. Jesus wept... progressive society or what?!
Has anyone here tried to relay the close season to the general public? Feel a right T*T saying 'oh yeh can fish a canal or a lake but not a river'..... and then get that quizzical look!
No wonder theres illegal fishing out of season as it baffles those not in the know, new to the sport, kids or those that choose not to know! What a stupid backward system we have to accept.
In reply to Post #18
If you want progressive join natural England, get rid of non indigenous species, rewild with indigenous species that have died out.
If you want progressive join natural England, get rid of non indigenous species, rewild with indigenous species that have died out.
In reply to Post #19
A ridiculous idea, but then Natural England are ridiculous.
A ridiculous idea, but then Natural England are ridiculous.
In reply to Post #17
And also to keep the workers in the factories... those dark satanic mills
And also to keep the workers in the factories... those dark satanic mills
In reply to Post #20
In your opinion, many will disagree with you.
In your opinion, many will disagree with you.
Bin it!
In reply to Post #23
I reported 3 cases of poaching on the River Dee to the EA .
Two of the three was British born anglers one fly fishing as bold as brass by a bridge in front of passing traffic, the other on motorbikes.
Not sure if anyone turned up
I reported 3 cases of poaching on the River Dee to the EA .
Two of the three was British born anglers one fly fishing as bold as brass by a bridge in front of passing traffic, the other on motorbikes.
Not sure if anyone turned up
In reply to Post #24
Fly fishing is permitted during the course closed season.
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During the coarse fish close season you can fly fish and worm (using appropriate tackle) for Trout and Fly and spin for Salmon (Salmon licence needed). You can`t spin on a Trout licence. With regards Trout it must be reasonable to assume they are present in the stretch you are fishing.
Fly fishing is permitted during the course closed season.
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During the coarse fish close season you can fly fish and worm (using appropriate tackle) for Trout and Fly and spin for Salmon (Salmon licence needed). You can`t spin on a Trout licence. With regards Trout it must be reasonable to assume they are present in the stretch you are fishing.
4 years ago on 15th June I arrived at mid day and set up on the banks of the Middle River Trent Clifton Bridge stretch waiting for midnight of course
a wide cycle track runs along that bank and its very busy
on the other side of the river 2 polish family's arrived
(( I worked with polish people and can recognise the language ))and the men began spinning I phoned the EA they said they didnt have anyone in the area I saw them take 2 pike in bags I was there for 3 days every day they came and fished every day I phoned the EA NOTHING HAPPENED
AND WORSE !! a day later when the swims were all occupied
A dog walker stopped and asked me is it a completion as I havent seen so many people fishing here
I explained it was the start of the season thats why you havent seen anyone fishing for the past few months
she said your joking ??
I walk my dog twice a day here and there are always people fishing here every day mostly in the evenings
a wide cycle track runs along that bank and its very busy
on the other side of the river 2 polish family's arrived
(( I worked with polish people and can recognise the language ))and the men began spinning I phoned the EA they said they didnt have anyone in the area I saw them take 2 pike in bags I was there for 3 days every day they came and fished every day I phoned the EA NOTHING HAPPENED
AND WORSE !! a day later when the swims were all occupied
A dog walker stopped and asked me is it a completion as I havent seen so many people fishing here
I explained it was the start of the season thats why you havent seen anyone fishing for the past few months
she said your joking ??
I walk my dog twice a day here and there are always people fishing here every day mostly in the evenings
In reply to Post #26
They won't do a thing. Quite a few years ago now I was talking to one on a local lake where the Polish used to fish without a ticket or a license. Basically told me they just act like idiots and pretend they don't understand the language. What can they do, **** all really unless they get their car registration, even that is tricky, tracing them etc. Easier to deal with English people though he told me
They won't do a thing. Quite a few years ago now I was talking to one on a local lake where the Polish used to fish without a ticket or a license. Basically told me they just act like idiots and pretend they don't understand the language. What can they do, **** all really unless they get their car registration, even that is tricky, tracing them etc. Easier to deal with English people though he told me
In reply to Post #27
Confiscate all their tackle.
Confiscate all their tackle.
In reply to Post #28
The EA do nothing,had a lake emptied near us.The EA were rang numerous times and never showed up once,the culprits even sat with bbq's cooking the fish as they caught them
The EA do nothing,had a lake emptied near us.The EA were rang numerous times and never showed up once,the culprits even sat with bbq's cooking the fish as they caught them
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Isn't the 'Eastern Europeans Are Going To Eat All Our Carp' hysteria all a bit 2010?
In reply to Post #30
Sorry Mark, fat thumbs on phone😆
"One of our club lakes had swans taken by thei Eastern Europeans .God knows how many carp they had away. Better to keep people on the bank unless the carp are actually spawning. We now have a 3 week shutdown when spawning starts. On top of a close season in the spring."
Sorry Mark, fat thumbs on phone😆
"One of our club lakes had swans taken by thei Eastern Europeans .God knows how many carp they had away. Better to keep people on the bank unless the carp are actually spawning. We now have a 3 week shutdown when spawning starts. On top of a close season in the spring."
Two years ago during the close season, I took our lass for a walk along the local river, I could not believe how many people were fishing. Some were just spinning, some in inflatable boats and the ones that beat me were the ones set up as if they was in a match with tackle and rods all over the peg so they was not planning on picking their rod and bags up and doing a runner if they saw a likely bailiff walking the bank.
I actually spoke to a bailiff a short while later and they had been after the ones in inflatables, but their is no way they can catch them as they just shoot off. It would mean they would have to have a boat themselves and somehow manage to block the river somehow and hope they actually go that way.
But, regarding the close season, back in the 60's it seemed a magical time, when during the close season, you could find plenty of fishing orientated things to do, bit of fly or sea fishing, making bits of tackle, repairing things, looking for new waters and spots to fish etc and then heading off on the 15th and setting up ready for midnight raring to go. These days the magic has gone.
I actually spoke to a bailiff a short while later and they had been after the ones in inflatables, but their is no way they can catch them as they just shoot off. It would mean they would have to have a boat themselves and somehow manage to block the river somehow and hope they actually go that way.
But, regarding the close season, back in the 60's it seemed a magical time, when during the close season, you could find plenty of fishing orientated things to do, bit of fly or sea fishing, making bits of tackle, repairing things, looking for new waters and spots to fish etc and then heading off on the 15th and setting up ready for midnight raring to go. These days the magic has gone.
In reply to Post #32
Sorry if my incompetence offended anyone.
Sorry if my incompetence offended anyone.
In reply to Post #31
I think we all could learn a lot of angling skills from the Eastern Europeans, seeing as how they seem to empty waters, normally using cheap tackle, beachcasters, etc.
I think we all could learn a lot of angling skills from the Eastern Europeans, seeing as how they seem to empty waters, normally using cheap tackle, beachcasters, etc.
In reply to Post #31
Well they are still doing it,so no I don't think it is
Well they are still doing it,so no I don't think it is
In reply to Post #1
It gives nature a chance to BREATHE.
Shutting the Lake for a week or two is obviously not the same as a proper 3 month break that the Fish and Wildlife need.
It's a good thing.
It gives nature a chance to BREATHE.
Shutting the Lake for a week or two is obviously not the same as a proper 3 month break that the Fish and Wildlife need.
It's a good thing.
In reply to Post #37
And the UK is one of the most nature depleted countries in the world .
And the UK is one of the most nature depleted countries in the world .
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