So have just finished watching the Korda thinking tackle at Lac Luna. On the last night Dovey has 3 or 4. They actually put the times up if his fish. He's retaining fish in retainers from 9.30pm, 11.30pm and onwards until they get photographed the next day. I thought the whole point of a retainer was just to keep the fish in while your photo bits were sorted out or for half hour or so to wait for the morning. Surely that's worse than keeping them in a sack overnight as they're in the top 18 inches of water for the whole night. If people use them like this to get over a sack ban, surely these need banning too if they're being used like that.
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Or lining them up in landing nets, totally unacceptable in my eyes.
I've heard of a couple of waters that are insisting that a fish be weighed/photographed before a rod can be recast. That should cut back on retention issues.
Or lining them up in landing nets, totally unacceptable in my eyes.
I've heard of a couple of waters that are insisting that a fish be weighed/photographed before a rod can be recast. That should cut back on retention issues.
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The trakker retainer instructions was it could be used to retail fish for a short period of time but no more then 20mins. But Korda have taken the mick with this. They can film the playing of fish in darkness so surely they could film the fish in darkness if not invest in better cameras
The trakker retainer instructions was it could be used to retail fish for a short period of time but no more then 20mins. But Korda have taken the mick with this. They can film the playing of fish in darkness so surely they could film the fish in darkness if not invest in better cameras
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has 3 or 4. They actually put the times up if his fish. He's retaining fish in retainers from 9.30pm, 11.30pm and onwards until they get photographed the next day.
The fish obviously don't matter, the filming must £
All that technology and “knowledge” and they can't do a night shot for the folks at home. Knob heads
has 3 or 4. They actually put the times up if his fish. He's retaining fish in retainers from 9.30pm, 11.30pm and onwards until they get photographed the next day.
The fish obviously don't matter, the filming must £
All that technology and “knowledge” and they can't do a night shot for the folks at home. Knob heads
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Oh come on, you know at night it's a single camera man assisting and you need 4 or 5 people to do proper pics...
Sorry, that is sarcasm at its worst.
It is a bad fishing example, from a high profile angler who has a big following, and it will influence the people who watch; "if Dovey does it it must be ok". The whole crew do not need to see every fish, no matter how good a programme it makes.
To be honest, thinking back through the original Monster Carp programme series, there were some that were a bit dubious being retained.
Night time shots are possible, there is no need for long term retention, you do NOT need a daytime shot. It can be done by the angler, or in this case, as he has assistance, by angler and one other.
Oh come on, you know at night it's a single camera man assisting and you need 4 or 5 people to do proper pics...
Sorry, that is sarcasm at its worst.
It is a bad fishing example, from a high profile angler who has a big following, and it will influence the people who watch; "if Dovey does it it must be ok". The whole crew do not need to see every fish, no matter how good a programme it makes.
To be honest, thinking back through the original Monster Carp programme series, there were some that were a bit dubious being retained.
Night time shots are possible, there is no need for long term retention, you do NOT need a daytime shot. It can be done by the angler, or in this case, as he has assistance, by angler and one other.
Yes they are being used as the new sacks and it is just so wrong and selfish. to do it at all is bad enough but to show it as "names" on tv is even worse it will just encourage others to do so.
My first uk 30, 40 and 50 were all caught at night and i took night shots of them all the 50 was within an hour and half of first light and others said to retain it but i didn't think it was fair to the fish took the night shots and happily saw it swim off
My first uk 30, 40 and 50 were all caught at night and i took night shots of them all the 50 was within an hour and half of first light and others said to retain it but i didn't think it was fair to the fish took the night shots and happily saw it swim off
l think it's just worth considering a few points.....
Did they break any rules?
Were they given permission by the lake owner to retain them? Probably as there's an element of promoting what the lake has to offer through the video.
Aren't retainers much more fish friendly and safer than sacks?
It's good that fish care has evolved over the years and that we think about that, but when we used to sack fish up, the vast majority went back safely.
There are times when retaining fish for just a few minutes such as high water temps/low oxygen levels/shallow water can be particularly risky.
Just fishing for them is a risk and if people do feel so strongly about fish welfare, maybe we shouldn't stick a sharp piece of metal in their mouths and drag them from their natural environment.
I do wonder just how many anglers have caught a very special fish and bent the rules just a little for a good photo or 2?
If what they did was within the rules or they had permission from the lake owner, I don't understand the confected outrage. Maybe because it's brought to us by the letter K?
FWIW, I would never break any lake rules with regard to retaining or sacking, but should the rules allow, I guess it's up to indvidual conscience.
Did they break any rules?
Were they given permission by the lake owner to retain them? Probably as there's an element of promoting what the lake has to offer through the video.
Aren't retainers much more fish friendly and safer than sacks?
It's good that fish care has evolved over the years and that we think about that, but when we used to sack fish up, the vast majority went back safely.
There are times when retaining fish for just a few minutes such as high water temps/low oxygen levels/shallow water can be particularly risky.
Just fishing for them is a risk and if people do feel so strongly about fish welfare, maybe we shouldn't stick a sharp piece of metal in their mouths and drag them from their natural environment.
I do wonder just how many anglers have caught a very special fish and bent the rules just a little for a good photo or 2?
If what they did was within the rules or they had permission from the lake owner, I don't understand the confected outrage. Maybe because it's brought to us by the letter K?
FWIW, I would never break any lake rules with regard to retaining or sacking, but should the rules allow, I guess it's up to indvidual conscience.
I don't see anything wrong with it. I haven't watched the films.
As long as they are in water deep enough to not damage themselves and not near weed that can deplete oxygen in the vicinity then they're fine? I mean £50000 koi are transported over nigh on 24 hours in plastic bags. They're pumped up with pure oxygen of course. But no detrimental effect.
So personally I can't see why keeping fish in a safe manner in a retainer is such a problem.
If someone can give me some actual viable reasons then please do educate me
The only bad points I could see are obviously influencing people that don't think or know the dangers involved.
So, with that being said if they show it they should alap educate and stress the importance about oxygen levels, safe depths away from anything that can cause them harm and weed etc.
As long as they are in water deep enough to not damage themselves and not near weed that can deplete oxygen in the vicinity then they're fine? I mean £50000 koi are transported over nigh on 24 hours in plastic bags. They're pumped up with pure oxygen of course. But no detrimental effect.
So personally I can't see why keeping fish in a safe manner in a retainer is such a problem.
If someone can give me some actual viable reasons then please do educate me
The only bad points I could see are obviously influencing people that don't think or know the dangers involved.
So, with that being said if they show it they should alap educate and stress the importance about oxygen levels, safe depths away from anything that can cause them harm and weed etc.
I'm surprised there hasn't been companies putting out portable air pumps for this reason. Another thing they could sell.......cue ridgemonkey
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l think it's just worth considering a few points.....
Did they break any rules?
Were they given permission by the lake owner to retain them? Probably as there's an element of promoting what the lake has to offer through the video.
Aren't retainers much more fish friendly and safer than sacks?
I can understand your points, they are valid, but just because 'Dovey did it' is enough to influence some other anglers in today's world. Tom Dove is a high profile angler, and as such is an influencer. People do copy his rigs, his reels, bivvy, baiting, and his fish care etc, because they see it.
Rules are rules, yes agree maybe he didn't break them, BUT, not everyone has the same cares; either ignorance, don't care, or maybe because they 'must have' a daytime picture.
l think it's just worth considering a few points.....
Did they break any rules?
Were they given permission by the lake owner to retain them? Probably as there's an element of promoting what the lake has to offer through the video.
Aren't retainers much more fish friendly and safer than sacks?
I can understand your points, they are valid, but just because 'Dovey did it' is enough to influence some other anglers in today's world. Tom Dove is a high profile angler, and as such is an influencer. People do copy his rigs, his reels, bivvy, baiting, and his fish care etc, because they see it.
Rules are rules, yes agree maybe he didn't break them, BUT, not everyone has the same cares; either ignorance, don't care, or maybe because they 'must have' a daytime picture.
Need to employ new photographers that can do decent night shots. Plenty out there because I see plenty of amazing night shots all over social media.
Fish are far safer in sacks for long periods than slings. They can sit at whatever depth they wish, instead of being forced to sit in the first 2ft, same as in a net. Safer still, master night shots. I followed a quick guide on settings and can rattle off self takes which are just as good as my day shots with some lighting, and I'm no means a good photographer!
Fish are far safer in sacks for long periods than slings. They can sit at whatever depth they wish, instead of being forced to sit in the first 2ft, same as in a net. Safer still, master night shots. I followed a quick guide on settings and can rattle off self takes which are just as good as my day shots with some lighting, and I'm no means a good photographer!
If I catch a fish at night I take its photo at night. That way I can remember when I caught it! Who really cares of the photo is pin sharp, it's the buzz of catching that you remember most.
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Agreed. I'm all for good fish care but I often think anglers get way too obsessed on this. Carp are hardy things and with common sense applied there shouldn't be any issues. Carp survived the 80s and 90s when standards of fish care were well below what they are now.
Agreed. I'm all for good fish care but I often think anglers get way too obsessed on this. Carp are hardy things and with common sense applied there shouldn't be any issues. Carp survived the 80s and 90s when standards of fish care were well below what they are now.
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Retain briefly, i would do night shots if before 4 am but if around 5am then ill leave for an hour or two before photos, providing its a decent fish.
Few 'lads' round my way move alot of fish around the lakes (public and private) including the river and depending on what transport they have determines how far the fish can go but they regularly move fish around on mats in the back of cars. Not ideal and i don't fish the waters they do but carp are very resilient creatures.
Retain briefly, i would do night shots if before 4 am but if around 5am then ill leave for an hour or two before photos, providing its a decent fish.
Few 'lads' round my way move alot of fish around the lakes (public and private) including the river and depending on what transport they have determines how far the fish can go but they regularly move fish around on mats in the back of cars. Not ideal and i don't fish the waters they do but carp are very resilient creatures.
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Funnily enough I was going to write a similar post but thought I'd be shot down in flames
When I see carp farmers sending carp down metal slides bouncing all the way down into foreign waters I'm sure a short stint in a retainer doesn't do much harm!
Funnily enough I was going to write a similar post but thought I'd be shot down in flames
When I see carp farmers sending carp down metal slides bouncing all the way down into foreign waters I'm sure a short stint in a retainer doesn't do much harm!
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