Hi there, I'm starting to fish a weedy lake, only short range stuff it's only 80
Yards wide at the widest point, but I've never fished a really weedy lake before, used to silty lakes in the northwest. Braid is allowed and even though I'm an experienced angler I've never used it so not sure if to go down that route. What would you recommend to use mainline wise ? They dyed the water last year and apparently wasn't as bad as previous years so thinking of going with mono for now and if it gets bad then get some braid.
Yards wide at the widest point, but I've never fished a really weedy lake before, used to silty lakes in the northwest. Braid is allowed and even though I'm an experienced angler I've never used it so not sure if to go down that route. What would you recommend to use mainline wise ? They dyed the water last year and apparently wasn't as bad as previous years so thinking of going with mono for now and if it gets bad then get some braid.
In reply to Post #1
One water I fish has a rule of minimum 0.4mm line, for this water I have a setup loaded with 18lb Synchro XT line. When I started fishing a small weedy lake last year, this is what I used. Did well on it, only fished a handful of sessions and had the biggest fish out of there.
One water I fish has a rule of minimum 0.4mm line, for this water I have a setup loaded with 18lb Synchro XT line. When I started fishing a small weedy lake last year, this is what I used. Did well on it, only fished a handful of sessions and had the biggest fish out of there.
In reply to Post #1
Braid + flurocarbon leaders, all the way.
My current water is very weedy, I use Gardner hydrosink noir with about 10-15ft of 30lb mirage flurocarbon as a leader.
Hydrosink Noir does cast like ****, however it does sink like a brick - it's interwoven with flurocarbon strands.
Braid + flurocarbon leaders, all the way.
My current water is very weedy, I use Gardner hydrosink noir with about 10-15ft of 30lb mirage flurocarbon as a leader.
Hydrosink Noir does cast like ****, however it does sink like a brick - it's interwoven with flurocarbon strands.
Anyone else opinions on a mainline in weed ?
In reply to Post #4
I think it's better to smoke rather than mainline, but each to their own
I think it's better to smoke rather than mainline, but each to their own
In reply to Post #1
Original Nash Bullet if they still do it - pig to cast but great for upping the fish landing ratio odds on weedy waters
Original Nash Bullet if they still do it - pig to cast but great for upping the fish landing ratio odds on weedy waters
In reply to Post #4
Daiwa Sensor or Gardner Pro Line 15lb used to work for me straight through
Daiwa Sensor or Gardner Pro Line 15lb used to work for me straight through
I use Fox EOS 20lb line and fish a very weedy lake. Extremely strong, low diameter and a great colour for weed. And it's cheap!! So far in 18 months of using it I've never had it break - same can't be said for some of the more expensive expensive brands I've used on there!
In reply to Post #4
Gardner Pro Light Blend XM, very strong and robust line, sinks ok and has been my go to line in recent seasons, might not be as fancy as some of the other lines but has been excellent for me.
Gardner Pro Light Blend XM, very strong and robust line, sinks ok and has been my go to line in recent seasons, might not be as fancy as some of the other lines but has been excellent for me.
In reply to Post #7
15lb Gardner pro is not up to weedy lakes and big fish in My experience. It has poor abrasion resistance and the 15 breaks at 15.
I fish a weedy syndicate with carp to upper 40. It let me down more than once.
Gardner hydrotuff in 15lb or esp synchro in 15lb far more abrasion resistant. Both break over 20lb.
15lb Gardner pro is not up to weedy lakes and big fish in My experience. It has poor abrasion resistance and the 15 breaks at 15.
I fish a weedy syndicate with carp to upper 40. It let me down more than once.
Gardner hydrotuff in 15lb or esp synchro in 15lb far more abrasion resistant. Both break over 20lb.
In reply to Post #1
A decent mono in 0.35mm diameter or higher will do you fine. I've used both ESP Synchro XT and daiwa sensor in weedy lakes without any issues. Any type of leader can be bad news, as weed can gather on the leader knot, causing issues when landing fish. Strong Mono straight through to a 2-4ft leadcore leader would be my go to in weed.
A decent mono in 0.35mm diameter or higher will do you fine. I've used both ESP Synchro XT and daiwa sensor in weedy lakes without any issues. Any type of leader can be bad news, as weed can gather on the leader knot, causing issues when landing fish. Strong Mono straight through to a 2-4ft leadcore leader would be my go to in weed.
In reply to Post #10
Not quite the same as my test findings!
I can go back to my original thread on the other forum, and my tests on the line:
Gardner Pro-Carp Monofilament Mainline.
I was asked to test this line in 0.35mm diameter, so this is my initial findings, and as I did breaking strain tests on a spring balance I may have slightly different findings from professional tests. As of yet, I have not used the line "in anger" as it were, everything has been done on the workbench.
First test was to cut off 5x 1 metre lengths of Pro-Carp and attach them to a standard lanyard at both ends with a Uni knot, I then attached one lanyard to a fixed point (my garage wall), and the other to an old set of scales. (This is NOT recommended for your best fishing scales)
On 5 pulls until breaking the line, I got slightly different results, but that is down to eye on a set of scales, and hand working at the breaking point.
Test1 18.5lb
Test2 19.5lb
Test3 20lb
Test4 19lb and a bit
Test5 21lb
Please note, as I said it was my eye checking it as I pulled gradually backwards, so readings are NOT 100% accurate, but every test was well over the 15lb rating.
Next test, obviously how supple the line felt, and it was very smooth and supple, more supple than my other mono Daiwa Sensor, and it was actually visibly thinner.
I did cut another metre length, and dropping it in a bucket of water, it sunk very easily of its own accord without needing pushing under to break surface tension.
Loading onto the reels from a bucket of warm soapy water, it was smooth and went on very easily, no kinks, no twists and had a good line lay, again, better than Sensor.
As I said, first impressions and it has now been made my first choice line, it is on all 3 spools of my Baitrunners.
My only point of disappointment, and that is simply because I'm awkward is that the 15lb 0.35mm spool is supplied in a spool length of 920metres, I did have to put some backing on my 10000 baitrunner spools to get to the spool rim.
I brought this thread up again after realising that I have now been using the Pro-Carp (the original as it was sent to me) for a few years now. It is my first choice of line, and over the past few years I have put a number of fish on the bank with it, from long and short casts at Nazeing, in clear and coloured water, and over gravel bars and after being fragged by Crayfish.
The largest fish I have caught using it is 33lb, a fish that took me round a few tree roots, but I have caught numerous others from the other lagoons on the complex.
A better line than many more of the more expensive lines available.
At the same time on the same thread Richard Gardner also commented about its abrasion resistance
Not quite the same as my test findings!
I can go back to my original thread on the other forum, and my tests on the line:
Gardner Pro-Carp Monofilament Mainline.
I was asked to test this line in 0.35mm diameter, so this is my initial findings, and as I did breaking strain tests on a spring balance I may have slightly different findings from professional tests. As of yet, I have not used the line "in anger" as it were, everything has been done on the workbench.
First test was to cut off 5x 1 metre lengths of Pro-Carp and attach them to a standard lanyard at both ends with a Uni knot, I then attached one lanyard to a fixed point (my garage wall), and the other to an old set of scales. (This is NOT recommended for your best fishing scales)
On 5 pulls until breaking the line, I got slightly different results, but that is down to eye on a set of scales, and hand working at the breaking point.
Test1 18.5lb
Test2 19.5lb
Test3 20lb
Test4 19lb and a bit
Test5 21lb
Please note, as I said it was my eye checking it as I pulled gradually backwards, so readings are NOT 100% accurate, but every test was well over the 15lb rating.
Next test, obviously how supple the line felt, and it was very smooth and supple, more supple than my other mono Daiwa Sensor, and it was actually visibly thinner.
I did cut another metre length, and dropping it in a bucket of water, it sunk very easily of its own accord without needing pushing under to break surface tension.
Loading onto the reels from a bucket of warm soapy water, it was smooth and went on very easily, no kinks, no twists and had a good line lay, again, better than Sensor.
As I said, first impressions and it has now been made my first choice line, it is on all 3 spools of my Baitrunners.
My only point of disappointment, and that is simply because I'm awkward is that the 15lb 0.35mm spool is supplied in a spool length of 920metres, I did have to put some backing on my 10000 baitrunner spools to get to the spool rim.
I brought this thread up again after realising that I have now been using the Pro-Carp (the original as it was sent to me) for a few years now. It is my first choice of line, and over the past few years I have put a number of fish on the bank with it, from long and short casts at Nazeing, in clear and coloured water, and over gravel bars and after being fragged by Crayfish.
The largest fish I have caught using it is 33lb, a fish that took me round a few tree roots, but I have caught numerous others from the other lagoons on the complex.
A better line than many more of the more expensive lines available.
At the same time on the same thread Richard Gardner also commented about its abrasion resistance
In reply to Post #12
Ive fished a few weedy water and been using korda braid 20lb, casts ok doesn't need wetting, sinks well, but does lose it colour quite quickly but thats not too surprising. The bs of braid lines is literally bs, I have Daiwa braid in 55lb and its not as strong or abrasion resistant as the korda stuff rated at 20lb. You can tell more by looking at it as to what its best uses are.
Ive fished a few weedy water and been using korda braid 20lb, casts ok doesn't need wetting, sinks well, but does lose it colour quite quickly but thats not too surprising. The bs of braid lines is literally bs, I have Daiwa braid in 55lb and its not as strong or abrasion resistant as the korda stuff rated at 20lb. You can tell more by looking at it as to what its best uses are.
In reply to Post #12
He's talking about abrasion resistance not linear strength , most lines are well over rated but I'm not going down that road and explaining that again
He's talking about abrasion resistance not linear strength , most lines are well over rated but I'm not going down that road and explaining that again
In reply to Post #14
In reply to Post #12
He's talking about abrasion resistance not linear strength , most lines are well over rated but I'm not going down that road and explaining that again
I did go on abrasion resistance, so Would you please read the whole post, or more specifically this bit:
It is my first choice of line, and over the past few years I have put a number of fish on the bank with it, from long and short casts at Nazeing, in clear and coloured water, and over gravel bars and after being fragged by Crayfish.
The largest fish I have caught using it is 33lb, a fish that took me round a few tree roots, but I have caught numerous others from the other lagoons on the complex.
In reply to Post #12
He's talking about abrasion resistance not linear strength , most lines are well over rated but I'm not going down that road and explaining that again
I did go on abrasion resistance, so Would you please read the whole post, or more specifically this bit:
It is my first choice of line, and over the past few years I have put a number of fish on the bank with it, from long and short casts at Nazeing, in clear and coloured water, and over gravel bars and after being fragged by Crayfish.
The largest fish I have caught using it is 33lb, a fish that took me round a few tree roots, but I have caught numerous others from the other lagoons on the complex.
In reply to Post #15
That's not exactly a test that's just your opinion (which is fair enough)
Where are the strength tests (bs) for the sensor that you were comparing it to?
That's not exactly a test that's just your opinion (which is fair enough)
Where are the strength tests (bs) for the sensor that you were comparing it to?
In reply to Post #12
can go back to my original thread on the other forum,
What's this ‘other forum' you keep going on about ?
can go back to my original thread on the other forum,
What's this ‘other forum' you keep going on about ?
In reply to Post #1
Syncro xt is pretty abrasion resistant and is my go to mono in weedy conditions. I have in recent years learned to ignore the manufacturers breaking strain claims and go by the actual diameter. I use the .39/.40 diameter.
I have just started to use braid again in snaggy situations ( it's been nearly 25 years since I last used it .... I had stopped using it in the late 90s simply because I didn't like it)
I have been using Hydrosink, and to be honest it is not tough enough in both weed and snags. and after a few uses it seems to lose some knot strength. I have just bit the bullet (cos its expensive) and bought some Thinking Anglers SBX to give it a try.
To be fair... away from snags... syncro xt would be my choice.
Syncro xt is pretty abrasion resistant and is my go to mono in weedy conditions. I have in recent years learned to ignore the manufacturers breaking strain claims and go by the actual diameter. I use the .39/.40 diameter.
I have just started to use braid again in snaggy situations ( it's been nearly 25 years since I last used it .... I had stopped using it in the late 90s simply because I didn't like it)
I have been using Hydrosink, and to be honest it is not tough enough in both weed and snags. and after a few uses it seems to lose some knot strength. I have just bit the bullet (cos its expensive) and bought some Thinking Anglers SBX to give it a try.
To be fair... away from snags... syncro xt would be my choice.
In reply to Post #16
Why did I need to test Sensor?
The Tackle Box line tests for a line already on the market were available on their webpage.
The Gardner Pro was only just being released.
I'd say playing fish that made it to tree roots where the line was rubbing is pretty abrasion resistant, as is playing fish over gravel bars where the bars come up 15feet from the lakebed and you can feel the line grating
Why did I need to test Sensor?
The Tackle Box line tests for a line already on the market were available on their webpage.
The Gardner Pro was only just being released.
I'd say playing fish that made it to tree roots where the line was rubbing is pretty abrasion resistant, as is playing fish over gravel bars where the bars come up 15feet from the lakebed and you can feel the line grating
In reply to Post #19
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
In reply to Post #1
I think Braid is miles better in 90% of situations but what your talking about its perfect and wouldn't use anything else if rules allow. Thinking anglers SBX would be my choice.
I think Braid is miles better in 90% of situations but what your talking about its perfect and wouldn't use anything else if rules allow. Thinking anglers SBX would be my choice.
In reply to Post #20
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
I tested the line, I gave it breaking strain tests. Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
If it wasn't good enough it wouldn't have been used for fishing and Richard Gardner would have been told. I learnt that just because a line might get great reviews, that does not mean it's going to work for me. The Ultima rep learnt that out when I used the first line they released.
I checked how supple it was against the Daiwa Sensor that I had used for years, (over 10), which is a known line and on the Tackle Box charts. I looked and saw a difference in diameter, 0.35mm vs 0.36mm when side by side.
Note that, I'd been using Sensor brown for over 10years, I knew what it was capable of, yet I didn't know how good the Gardner Pro was.
If something is cacke or doesn't work for me, I will say so, I don't do good reviews just to please the manufacturer.
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
I tested the line, I gave it breaking strain tests. Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
If it wasn't good enough it wouldn't have been used for fishing and Richard Gardner would have been told. I learnt that just because a line might get great reviews, that does not mean it's going to work for me. The Ultima rep learnt that out when I used the first line they released.
I checked how supple it was against the Daiwa Sensor that I had used for years, (over 10), which is a known line and on the Tackle Box charts. I looked and saw a difference in diameter, 0.35mm vs 0.36mm when side by side.
Note that, I'd been using Sensor brown for over 10years, I knew what it was capable of, yet I didn't know how good the Gardner Pro was.
If something is cacke or doesn't work for me, I will say so, I don't do good reviews just to please the manufacturer.
In reply to Post #22
Do you know Richard Gardner by any chance?
Do you know Richard Gardner by any chance?
In reply to Post #1
Prob with all mono against snags / weedbeds is stretch - I rate Synchro XT in terms of abrasion but it still stretches so even when fished bowstring tight with clutches nailed / rod lockers on / walking backwards on the take you're still giving a decent fish the chance to make a run for the thick stuff . . . on this basis and as braid is allowed its a no brainer
Prob with all mono against snags / weedbeds is stretch - I rate Synchro XT in terms of abrasion but it still stretches so even when fished bowstring tight with clutches nailed / rod lockers on / walking backwards on the take you're still giving a decent fish the chance to make a run for the thick stuff . . . on this basis and as braid is allowed its a no brainer
In reply to Post #23
No not personally.
No not personally.
In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
I once threw away 90 quids worth of braid as i wasn't happy about it.
There is no perfect line for all situations, If casting distance is your thing then you are going to have to accept some limitations with it sinking well or being good with abrasion resistance.
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
I once threw away 90 quids worth of braid as i wasn't happy about it.
There is no perfect line for all situations, If casting distance is your thing then you are going to have to accept some limitations with it sinking well or being good with abrasion resistance.
In reply to Post #26
Reference Thread: 15 February 2023 10:28:00In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
Yes I do.
I've been caught out by lines not being as good as the manufacturers bumpf or reviews.
The original Nash Bullet line from the 1990's was awful, coily, impossible to cast, so I started testing lines before I started actually fishing with them.
Berkeley Big Game did not work for me, it was another line that twisted, and I had some crack-offs where it fractured on casting from being 'over twisted'.
Since then every line is checked, for breaking strain and diameter. The more expensive lines are not necessarily the best. Many are overrated, a 15lb line diameter should be close to 0.35mm, not the 0.38 or 0.40 many are, which are 18 or even 20lb lines overrated to sound good.
If it works for me, as Pro does, I don't change the line brand unless I find I need to change, or as with the Pro, I was given some to test. Even then, on next line change, I don't often go for a more expensive line.
The Gardner Pro is a line I can cast over 100yards when I need to, doesn't suffer with line twist, and is capable of playing fish through the weed.
Reference Thread: 15 February 2023 10:28:00In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
Yes I do.
I've been caught out by lines not being as good as the manufacturers bumpf or reviews.
The original Nash Bullet line from the 1990's was awful, coily, impossible to cast, so I started testing lines before I started actually fishing with them.
Berkeley Big Game did not work for me, it was another line that twisted, and I had some crack-offs where it fractured on casting from being 'over twisted'.
Since then every line is checked, for breaking strain and diameter. The more expensive lines are not necessarily the best. Many are overrated, a 15lb line diameter should be close to 0.35mm, not the 0.38 or 0.40 many are, which are 18 or even 20lb lines overrated to sound good.
If it works for me, as Pro does, I don't change the line brand unless I find I need to change, or as with the Pro, I was given some to test. Even then, on next line change, I don't often go for a more expensive line.
The Gardner Pro is a line I can cast over 100yards when I need to, doesn't suffer with line twist, and is capable of playing fish through the weed.
In reply to Post #27
The ‘twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you ? I've used dozens of different manufacturer's lines over the years and only ever had a couple of occasions where I have experienced line twist , neither were the fault of the line , it was the roller bearings on one particular reel that needed changing out and problem solved .
The line ‘ratings' you keep mentioning e.g. 15lb .....as said in previous threads that diameter has no relationship to these ratings , 1 manufacturers ‘15lb' casting line may be drastically thinner than another well sinking and abrasion resistant line from another manufacturer , it just makes common sense to use the diameter of the line to gauge what you need from it
The ‘twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you ? I've used dozens of different manufacturer's lines over the years and only ever had a couple of occasions where I have experienced line twist , neither were the fault of the line , it was the roller bearings on one particular reel that needed changing out and problem solved .
The line ‘ratings' you keep mentioning e.g. 15lb .....as said in previous threads that diameter has no relationship to these ratings , 1 manufacturers ‘15lb' casting line may be drastically thinner than another well sinking and abrasion resistant line from another manufacturer , it just makes common sense to use the diameter of the line to gauge what you need from it
In reply to Post #28
twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you
Sorry, you are incorrect.
The Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools, and I found that other lines are more prone to twist than some others. Ultima was one of them. It would not even work on a centrepin! It was just awful.
I do know about line twist, playing fish off the clutch, allowing loads of line off the baitrunner on a take can contribute to twist, as can loading a spool back to front.
Because you don't like the angling journalist Henry Gilbey, here is a quote from Keith Arthur:
honestly think we are fed a load of guff about lines. One maker advertised a product as 'the strongest 6lb line available' and another as 'the thinnest 6lb line available'. Now surely that should be the same thing? But no it wasn't because the 'strongest' was 20% thicker, so wasn't 6lb line at all but it said that on the label. We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls. Ditto Berkley Sensation: when the 4lb became an honest 7.7lb it was in the clearance bin!
I want my breaking strain to be honest, note that, the breaking strain for its correct diameter. If I'm good enough to tie decent, carefully tied knots, I want a 15lb line to be around 0.35mm, NOT 0.38 or 0.40, because that will reduce my casting distance.
twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you
Sorry, you are incorrect.
The Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools, and I found that other lines are more prone to twist than some others. Ultima was one of them. It would not even work on a centrepin! It was just awful.
I do know about line twist, playing fish off the clutch, allowing loads of line off the baitrunner on a take can contribute to twist, as can loading a spool back to front.
Because you don't like the angling journalist Henry Gilbey, here is a quote from Keith Arthur:
honestly think we are fed a load of guff about lines. One maker advertised a product as 'the strongest 6lb line available' and another as 'the thinnest 6lb line available'. Now surely that should be the same thing? But no it wasn't because the 'strongest' was 20% thicker, so wasn't 6lb line at all but it said that on the label. We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls. Ditto Berkley Sensation: when the 4lb became an honest 7.7lb it was in the clearance bin!
I want my breaking strain to be honest, note that, the breaking strain for its correct diameter. If I'm good enough to tie decent, carefully tied knots, I want a 15lb line to be around 0.35mm, NOT 0.38 or 0.40, because that will reduce my casting distance.
Some people on this forum seam to know it all 😂😂
There is too many factors that come in to play when it comes to line!
You may think a certain line is the dog danglys someone else may think it's dog 💩
One may have looked after it/ there kit , one may have twisted it when spooling or ever bad knots maybe haven't changed it for awhile. Again to many factors come in to play.
Thinking you lot need to take step back an enjoy your fishing a bit more an learn from the experience if that be the bad or not that's how we progress as anglers.
There is too many factors that come in to play when it comes to line!
You may think a certain line is the dog danglys someone else may think it's dog 💩
One may have looked after it/ there kit , one may have twisted it when spooling or ever bad knots maybe haven't changed it for awhile. Again to many factors come in to play.
Thinking you lot need to take step back an enjoy your fishing a bit more an learn from the experience if that be the bad or not that's how we progress as anglers.
In reply to Post #1
Some decent advice, but I do think a lot of the replies may be missing your ask.
Small lakes = distance casting and diameter are much less of an issue.
Weedy lake means as long as it sinks like a brick - diameter isn't gonna spook them.
I spoke with the guys at the TB and they recommended the gardener GT (I think that's what it's called). It's not my normal line but for it's purpose it's perfect, plus if your car ever gets stuck you can use the stuff as a tow rope.
I also used braid for a while but when using this I always include a short leader to give me slight room for error. It does a job but I find this way of fishing in weed a bit industrial and you start hooking fish, boating out pull em up and net em- not really enjoyable IMO.
Some decent advice, but I do think a lot of the replies may be missing your ask.
Small lakes = distance casting and diameter are much less of an issue.
Weedy lake means as long as it sinks like a brick - diameter isn't gonna spook them.
I spoke with the guys at the TB and they recommended the gardener GT (I think that's what it's called). It's not my normal line but for it's purpose it's perfect, plus if your car ever gets stuck you can use the stuff as a tow rope.
I also used braid for a while but when using this I always include a short leader to give me slight room for error. It does a job but I find this way of fishing in weed a bit industrial and you start hooking fish, boating out pull em up and net em- not really enjoyable IMO.
In reply to Post #29
I'm not wrong about twist I'm afraid you are wrong .
You said...Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools ... are you serious 😂😂😂
I used Ultima almost exclusively for years around 2009 to 2015 when my line of choice from Ultima was discontinued , I used 2 or 3 other types from Ultima and had zero problems with twist .
I've used Berkley big game in 20lb in France for years along with my braided spools and never once had twist problems with it , I've also used Berkley CM90 for years until recently and once again I've never had a whiff of twist .
You must be doing something wrong when loading your spools up or have unmaintained reel rollers .
Your quote from Keith Arthur ( taken from the Henry Gilbert site ) is around 7 years old and is about fishing for mullet
Do yourself a favour and post content from real carp anglers as this is a carp forum not a mullet forum
I'm not wrong about twist I'm afraid you are wrong .
You said...Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools ... are you serious 😂😂😂
I used Ultima almost exclusively for years around 2009 to 2015 when my line of choice from Ultima was discontinued , I used 2 or 3 other types from Ultima and had zero problems with twist .
I've used Berkley big game in 20lb in France for years along with my braided spools and never once had twist problems with it , I've also used Berkley CM90 for years until recently and once again I've never had a whiff of twist .
You must be doing something wrong when loading your spools up or have unmaintained reel rollers .
Your quote from Keith Arthur ( taken from the Henry Gilbert site ) is around 7 years old and is about fishing for mullet
Do yourself a favour and post content from real carp anglers as this is a carp forum not a mullet forum
In reply to Post #32
Carpediem,
Stop talking twaddle, you really don't know me well enough. You are rude and ignorant, and just out to cause trouble.
Fishing is fishing, whether carp fishing, specimen fishing for bream, mullet, bass or tench.
I make sure I DON'T suffer with line twist, I load my spools correctly, whether I'm carp fishing, or chub or pike hunting, or maybe that is beyond you as I am a carp angler amongst other fish interests.
I quoted Ultima as a problem, I definitely had problems with it, and it wasn't down to unmaintained reel rollers, as it was the only line I had problems with on those reels, (Shimano Aero GTE 4000 Baitrunners), Daiwa Sensor brown, no problems, Sylcast, no problems.
Yes I was serious Berkley Big Game had been incorrectly loaded onto the spools, and was a known problem discussed on forums back in 2012, and had happened previously around 1994.
Carpediem,
Stop talking twaddle, you really don't know me well enough. You are rude and ignorant, and just out to cause trouble.
Fishing is fishing, whether carp fishing, specimen fishing for bream, mullet, bass or tench.
I make sure I DON'T suffer with line twist, I load my spools correctly, whether I'm carp fishing, or chub or pike hunting, or maybe that is beyond you as I am a carp angler amongst other fish interests.
I quoted Ultima as a problem, I definitely had problems with it, and it wasn't down to unmaintained reel rollers, as it was the only line I had problems with on those reels, (Shimano Aero GTE 4000 Baitrunners), Daiwa Sensor brown, no problems, Sylcast, no problems.
Yes I was serious Berkley Big Game had been incorrectly loaded onto the spools, and was a known problem discussed on forums back in 2012, and had happened previously around 1994.
In reply to Post #33
I'm taking twaddle ? Do me a favour you're full of it !
I am not a rude person I'm rude back to people who are rude to me though , I stand up for the newcomers and less experienced that are being mislead with you're information thiat is not relevant
If you understood lines and their different properties for different situations / branches of our sport then you wouldn't be posting this pathetic drivel .
I'm a seasoned angler and fish for lots of different species so know the large difference's of lines and braids very well , unlike you who simply is still living in the old days of pound bs.
Diameter is king I'm afraid wether you like it not and is a very important part of our branch of the sport , not the lb rating I'm afraid .
You mention mullet fishing with 6lb line , please enlighten me where that with be useful on a carpforum ?
Once again this is a carp forum , there are sections in the forum for other species , why not post you're crap in there
I'm taking twaddle ?
Do me a favour you're full of it !I am not a rude person I'm rude back to people who are rude to me though , I stand up for the newcomers and less experienced that are being mislead with you're information thiat is not relevant
If you understood lines and their different properties for different situations / branches of our sport then you wouldn't be posting this pathetic drivel .
I'm a seasoned angler and fish for lots of different species so know the large difference's of lines and braids very well , unlike you who simply is still living in the old days of pound bs.
Diameter is king I'm afraid wether you like it not and is a very important part of our branch of the sport , not the lb rating I'm afraid .
You mention mullet fishing with 6lb line , please enlighten me where that with be useful on a carpforum ?
Once again this is a carp forum , there are sections in the forum for other species , why not post you're crap in there
In reply to Post #34
You are talking twaddle, because YOU are rude from the start, not me. You are the one who starts having a go, not me. Oh, and by the way, you need to learn to understand English as well; your, you're I know which one to use.
I said fishing is fishing.
I try to explain things, now Keith Arthur's comment included carp fishing lines, it doesn't matter whether it was about a comment about a line used for mullet
The important part of the comment is about a line carp anglers use
We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls
Just because a line rated at 15lb breaks at 25lb, has a diameter of 0.40mm, it is NOT ACTUALLY A 15lb line, it is a 20lb line. Because it is a 20lb line, it WILL APPEAR to have a better abrasion resistance.
I do know about lines, I know what I want from a line, and I said many more expensive lines are not as good as budget lines.
I agree diameter is important, but that diameter HAS TO BE RELEVANT to the breaking strain as well.
You are talking twaddle, because YOU are rude from the start, not me. You are the one who starts having a go, not me. Oh, and by the way, you need to learn to understand English as well; your, you're I know which one to use.
I said fishing is fishing.
I try to explain things, now Keith Arthur's comment included carp fishing lines, it doesn't matter whether it was about a comment about a line used for mullet
The important part of the comment is about a line carp anglers use
We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls
Just because a line rated at 15lb breaks at 25lb, has a diameter of 0.40mm, it is NOT ACTUALLY A 15lb line, it is a 20lb line. Because it is a 20lb line, it WILL APPEAR to have a better abrasion resistance.
I do know about lines, I know what I want from a line, and I said many more expensive lines are not as good as budget lines.
I agree diameter is important, but that diameter HAS TO BE RELEVANT to the breaking strain as well.
In reply to Post #35
Wow how rude having a pop at my English now are you ? Get a life
I'm not bothered about Henry Gilbert's posts or whatever his name is , or what's written in them , the guy is a clown, I'd rather watch paint dry than watch one of his shows or read the nonsense he writes , it's bloody painful .
You obviously have blinkers on about how lines of 15lb and 20lb etc and how they should be such a diameter , you're wrong and nobody is getting done over by this it's just your old fashioned approach that is not really relevant any more .
Copied from the Tackle Box website ( FOR CARP ANGLERS ) ....
For weed and snag free situations...
We recommend lines of between 0.33mm and 0.35mm. These will usually break between 16lb and 18lb.
For waters with snags
and heavy weed...
Thicker lines of between 0.35mm and 0.40mm will have better abrasion resistance and be stronger, usually breaking between 20lb and 22lb.
For distance casting...
Lower diameter lines of 0.25mm to 0.30mm generally enable longer casts and will usually break between 10lb and 15lb.
Not once was a rating given for poundage given , it is the DIAMETER that is most important
Wow how rude having a pop at my English now are you ?
Get a lifeI'm not bothered about Henry Gilbert's posts or whatever his name is , or what's written in them , the guy is a clown, I'd rather watch paint dry than watch one of his shows or read the nonsense he writes , it's bloody painful .
You obviously have blinkers on about how lines of 15lb and 20lb etc and how they should be such a diameter , you're wrong and nobody is getting done over by this it's just your old fashioned approach that is not really relevant any more .
Copied from the Tackle Box website ( FOR CARP ANGLERS ) ....
For weed and snag free situations...
We recommend lines of between 0.33mm and 0.35mm. These will usually break between 16lb and 18lb.
For waters with snags
and heavy weed...
Thicker lines of between 0.35mm and 0.40mm will have better abrasion resistance and be stronger, usually breaking between 20lb and 22lb.
For distance casting...
Lower diameter lines of 0.25mm to 0.30mm generally enable longer casts and will usually break between 10lb and 15lb.
Not once was a rating given for poundage given , it is the DIAMETER that is most important
In reply to Post #36
I always go off diameter. Far more important than the breaking strain.
I always go off diameter. Far more important than the breaking strain.
In reply to Post #36
I wasn't rude, I pointed out your English was incorrect. I leave rudeness to you, its habit, you don't know how to be civil.
I wasn't worried about Henry Gilbeys blog, I quoted the important part, which your short-sightedness keeps missing, so especially for you, I will quote it again:
I try to explain things, now Keith Arthur's comment included carp fishing lines, it doesn't matter whether it was about a comment about a line used for mullet
The important part of the comment is about a line carp anglers use
We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls
There are other tests that Tackle Box miss, they don't do the abrasion resistance, so your quote from them actually misses a number of points.
For example, one fibre may have a higher breaking strength because it is larger in diameter, but that does not mean the fibre is stronger. It may merely be thicker in diameter. Using denier ratings, fibres can be tested and compared regardless of their diameter, for a true comparison.
Based on denier ratings, some of the lines currently being sold are much larger than the label on the spool. In some cases, an angler thinking he is buying 12lb line is actually buying 22lb line with a 12lb label on it.
So we have to go back to this bit about overrated breaking strains, because lines in the UK are not sold within EFTTA regulations, as any breaking strain can be stuck on any line, of any diameter. The rest of Europe and Japan have much stricter laws on breaking strain vs diameter.
Working in a tackle shop, as I've said in the past, I was never asked for a line by diameter, only by breaking strain.
All this because I said I use Gardner Pro lines in 15lb, which are copolymers, have a good abrasion resistance , and also sink, both properties of which, better than that of monofilament, and are what I use in weedy waters.
For the record, the lake I fish is very weedy, and I've not lost a fish yet on the Gardner Pro 15lb.
I wasn't rude, I pointed out your English was incorrect. I leave rudeness to you, its habit, you don't know how to be civil.
I wasn't worried about Henry Gilbeys blog, I quoted the important part, which your short-sightedness keeps missing, so especially for you, I will quote it again:
I try to explain things, now Keith Arthur's comment included carp fishing lines, it doesn't matter whether it was about a comment about a line used for mullet
The important part of the comment is about a line carp anglers use
We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls
There are other tests that Tackle Box miss, they don't do the abrasion resistance, so your quote from them actually misses a number of points.
For example, one fibre may have a higher breaking strength because it is larger in diameter, but that does not mean the fibre is stronger. It may merely be thicker in diameter. Using denier ratings, fibres can be tested and compared regardless of their diameter, for a true comparison.
Based on denier ratings, some of the lines currently being sold are much larger than the label on the spool. In some cases, an angler thinking he is buying 12lb line is actually buying 22lb line with a 12lb label on it.
So we have to go back to this bit about overrated breaking strains, because lines in the UK are not sold within EFTTA regulations, as any breaking strain can be stuck on any line, of any diameter. The rest of Europe and Japan have much stricter laws on breaking strain vs diameter.
Working in a tackle shop, as I've said in the past, I was never asked for a line by diameter, only by breaking strain.
All this because I said I use Gardner Pro lines in 15lb, which are copolymers, have a good abrasion resistance , and also sink, both properties of which, better than that of monofilament, and are what I use in weedy waters.
For the record, the lake I fish is very weedy, and I've not lost a fish yet on the Gardner Pro 15lb.
So who's right and who's wrong!👀🍿 😂
In reply to Post #39
Not saying anyone is right or wrong but quoting from Keith Arthur / Henry Gilbey and referencing 6lb line for mullet fishing you are definitely asking for a bite from someone
Not saying anyone is right or wrong but quoting from Keith Arthur / Henry Gilbey and referencing 6lb line for mullet fishing you are definitely asking for a bite from someone
In reply to Post #40
I'm not saying any more mate the bloke is just one of them I'm afraid , wait for his expert opinion in the next thread
I'm not saying any more mate the bloke is just one of them I'm afraid , wait for his expert opinion in the next thread
In reply to Post #38
😂 there seams to a few of them on here!
I'm stick my 2 pence in now, I agreed diameter plays a bigger part these days as it's tells you what you really want to know.
However as I said before some people can't spool up properly an some do not look after the line/braid on there reels....
I'm stick my 2 pence in now, I agreed diameter plays a bigger part these days as it's tells you what you really want to know.
However as I said before some people can't spool up properly an some do not look after the line/braid on there reels....
In reply to Post #43
Diameter also plays a big part in abrasion resistance, a small nick in say 0.35mm line will reduce far more of the remaining lines linear strength than the same nick in say a .40mm dia line
Diameter also plays a big part in abrasion resistance, a small nick in say 0.35mm line will reduce far more of the remaining lines linear strength than the same nick in say a .40mm dia line
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