Anyone know who owns Cyprinus ?
Seems they went under just a few days after they took my money and didn't fulfill my order.
Surely they knew what was about to go down ?
I work bloomin hard for my money and you could say I'm a tad miffed !
Hopefully Paypal will reimburse me, but they won't even look at my case until Jan 5th, at which point I will be back at work offshore.
So, who is the baddie ?
Seems they went under just a few days after they took my money and didn't fulfill my order.
Surely they knew what was about to go down ?
I work bloomin hard for my money and you could say I'm a tad miffed !
Hopefully Paypal will reimburse me, but they won't even look at my case until Jan 5th, at which point I will be back at work offshore.
So, who is the baddie ?
In reply to Post #1
Deleted.
Deleted.
In reply to Post #2
I think you made the same mistake as I did previously, this is a different company.
this I believe is the company in question.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05313495/officers
I think you made the same mistake as I did previously, this is a different company.
this I believe is the company in question.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05313495/officers
In reply to Post #3
You are quite right, the link in your post is the correct company.
You are quite right, the link in your post is the correct company.
In reply to Post #3
The registered address is that of their accountants.
The registered address is that of their accountants.
In reply to Post #4
They trade under the name Cyprinus Carp Fishing Technology and are owned by the people in post 3.
They trade under the name Cyprinus Carp Fishing Technology and are owned by the people in post 3.
In reply to Post #3
Any chance you could post that as a link ?
Any chance you could post that as a link ?
In reply to Post #7
if you copy and paste, it will go straight to it.
if you copy and paste, it will go straight to it.
I know some really liked Cyprinus and "championed" them for bringing Trakker to task.....but in reality they are rip off merchants peddling sh!te Chinese copies....the DH Gate of the Carp tackle industry.
Good riddance to them....
Good riddance to them....
In reply to Post #3
Yep that's the one Andy Train is / was the MD. Looking at their last accounts all that was increasing was their debt, perhaps the bank called in their loan..../ dealing with China became too costly and challenging in the end....
I would say margin probably got eroded a lot due to rising material / labour costs over the last couple of years to a point the business was just not viable.
A lot of business whom sell on price are just going to disappear, we'll probably have to accept paying a little more for tackle.
Yep that's the one Andy Train is / was the MD. Looking at their last accounts all that was increasing was their debt, perhaps the bank called in their loan..../ dealing with China became too costly and challenging in the end....
I would say margin probably got eroded a lot due to rising material / labour costs over the last couple of years to a point the business was just not viable.
A lot of business whom sell on price are just going to disappear, we'll probably have to accept paying a little more for tackle.
In reply to Post #9
Instead of peddling sh!te overpriced Chinese originals.
Instead of peddling sh!te overpriced Chinese originals.
In reply to Post #11
Rubbish. It's obvious that Cyprinus re-badged seconds, look at the amount of negative reviews they have.
I would rather pay twice the price for something that has a chance of still working inside 12 months rather than the Cyprinus crap.
Rubbish. It's obvious that Cyprinus re-badged seconds, look at the amount of negative reviews they have.
I would rather pay twice the price for something that has a chance of still working inside 12 months rather than the Cyprinus crap.
In reply to Post #11
Cyprinus sell the rejected seconds
Cyprinus sell the rejected seconds
In reply to Post #13
I notice the MD has opened a new company on the 16th December, I worry for those who have paid for goods but not yet received..
I notice the MD has opened a new company on the 16th December, I worry for those who have paid for goods but not yet received..
A question. If memory serves me correct, when Cyprinus first started didn't they get good reviews saying it was the same as Trakker but a lot cheaper?
If so at what point did things start to change?
If so at what point did things start to change?
In reply to Post #15
Yes ... People raved about Cyprinus .... Mainly slagging Trakker/Aqua because they were double the price. So there were some really smug people around at the time. I think they changed when they started introducing the Tempest copies and moving away from brollies and pramhoods. There prices jumped considerably at this time aswell.
Yes ... People raved about Cyprinus .... Mainly slagging Trakker/Aqua because they were double the price. So there were some really smug people around at the time. I think they changed when they started introducing the Tempest copies and moving away from brollies and pramhoods. There prices jumped considerably at this time aswell.
In reply to Post #16
Last email I had from them was end of November promoting their Black Friday event,it now comes up as page not found error 404,I only had a bedchair from them as my wide boy broke it's a 5 season one that's got no adjuster on it for the head part and the mattress is uncomfortable,so what I do is lie in one layer until I can get a right size camping mattress to fit it and put my peach skin cover over it with no issues.
Oh and pillow is crap that's next on my list to replace.
Last email I had from them was end of November promoting their Black Friday event,it now comes up as page not found error 404,I only had a bedchair from them as my wide boy broke it's a 5 season one that's got no adjuster on it for the head part and the mattress is uncomfortable,so what I do is lie in one layer until I can get a right size camping mattress to fit it and put my peach skin cover over it with no issues.
Oh and pillow is crap that's next on my list to replace.
Post 3 is correct .....
I have had 2 bivvys from them and both have been absolutely fine. M4 2 man which I have had for 4 years with Lots of use and a nylon Typhoon Storm for a year which is all I used this year and again its been spot on........
It's a bit harsh to brand them ***** when they were targeting a market which people couldn't and wouldn't in some cases buy a twice as much Aqua / Trakker alternative........
I have had 2 bivvys from them and both have been absolutely fine. M4 2 man which I have had for 4 years with Lots of use and a nylon Typhoon Storm for a year which is all I used this year and again its been spot on........
It's a bit harsh to brand them ***** when they were targeting a market which people couldn't and wouldn't in some cases buy a twice as much Aqua / Trakker alternative........
In reply to Post #18
I have an M4 aswell (2man) ... Certainly good value in comparison to the Aqua version.
I have an M4 aswell (2man) ... Certainly good value in comparison to the Aqua version.
I've had a fast and light from them for years. It's had a proper battering and I've never had an issue with it. Got a wrap for it which is also spot on. I also had an M4 with a wrap and that was an excellent bit of kit with no issues. My current tempest skull cap came from them as well. Again no issues. I can't comment on the recent stuff but when I bought the brolly for instance I think I paid less than £80 for it and at the time the Aqua was £300 I think.
I hope those who are owed money get it back. I just wanted to point out that certainly at the start their gear was as good a quality as anyone elses and the brolly I still use and I lent it to a mate of mine who did a full season under it a couple of years ago and it's still going strong and it's a good few years old now.
My guess is that they sold stuff cheap, so they had small margins and needed to sell in volume to sustain the business. Once the price of everything went up they probably couldn't under cut the big boys by enough to make it viable anymore. Shame as the big manufacturers are pricing a lot of new comers and guys on a budget out of the hobby. There's a need for a company that sells half decent gear that's not £1000 a bivvy. When I started carp fishing was a cheap hobby, tackle was cheap, tickets were cheap, waters were accessible to the average man, it was an every man's hobby. Now it seems you need to be earning serious money to kit yourself out with anything half decent.
I hope those who are owed money get it back. I just wanted to point out that certainly at the start their gear was as good a quality as anyone elses and the brolly I still use and I lent it to a mate of mine who did a full season under it a couple of years ago and it's still going strong and it's a good few years old now.
My guess is that they sold stuff cheap, so they had small margins and needed to sell in volume to sustain the business. Once the price of everything went up they probably couldn't under cut the big boys by enough to make it viable anymore. Shame as the big manufacturers are pricing a lot of new comers and guys on a budget out of the hobby. There's a need for a company that sells half decent gear that's not £1000 a bivvy. When I started carp fishing was a cheap hobby, tackle was cheap, tickets were cheap, waters were accessible to the average man, it was an every man's hobby. Now it seems you need to be earning serious money to kit yourself out with anything half decent.
The only thing I've had from them is a skull cap for a Trakker bivvy, had it 18 months and it's been fine. £80 compared to £130-ish from Trakker. There's loads of posts on here saying that their stuff is made in the same factory as Trakker, but it's loads cheaper. Think that's why I bought it.
In reply to Post #21
I had a Brolly mk2 fast n light. The box it came in said aqua on it. Nice bit of kit but poor design on the folding ribs. Started getting pin holes loads of them. I bought some velcro covers for them. Apart from the pin holes the frame and brolly has been brilliant. But I do think these were Aqua seconds and not copies.
I had a Brolly mk2 fast n light. The box it came in said aqua on it. Nice bit of kit but poor design on the folding ribs. Started getting pin holes loads of them. I bought some velcro covers for them. Apart from the pin holes the frame and brolly has been brilliant. But I do think these were Aqua seconds and not copies.
What about the posts where Cyprinus bivvys have turned up delivered in Aqua boxes ?
There's a Nash video on youtube where he talks in depth about the Titan, he said they were originally made in UK, and to a high quality and specification, when this became more and more harder to achieve as UK companies went under largely due to cheaper sourced products from tingtong land, and he resisted as long as was possible before doing the same, he reckoned the first batches were abysmal, cheap rubbish totally unfit for purpose, and quality control was non existent, many had zips fitted upside down, panels inside out, total rubbish,
It took around two years to find a supplier/manufacturer good enough to supply a product good enough to sell on the open market.
this might explain why earlier Titans were praised, and the later versions don't seem to have the same "cult" following, even more so with the current competition, some of which are proving very well made and popular, I wonder if Cyprinus used some of those lesser quality materials and factories in an effort to keep prices low, an idea that long term was to signal their demise.
It took around two years to find a supplier/manufacturer good enough to supply a product good enough to sell on the open market.
this might explain why earlier Titans were praised, and the later versions don't seem to have the same "cult" following, even more so with the current competition, some of which are proving very well made and popular, I wonder if Cyprinus used some of those lesser quality materials and factories in an effort to keep prices low, an idea that long term was to signal their demise.
In reply to Post #23
my brolly turned up in a aqua box,hasn't missed a beat
my brolly turned up in a aqua box,hasn't missed a beat
In reply to Post #23
I think this was only ever the early Fast and Lights when Cyprinus first came back on the scene. I actually bought one and can confirm it did come in an Aqua box. Whether or not it was the same as an Aqua F&L I can't confirm as I didn't use it in the end. You don't hear too many complaints about the F&L or the M4 that was available about the same time so it's possible they were Aqua stock rebadged.
Cyprinus then moved away from the Aqua seconds/rip off rebadging and tried to copy the tempest/titan type block bivvies. It's these that are now falling apart 12-24 months later after everyone saying how great they were and that the likes of Aqua and Trakker were finished.
I think this was only ever the early Fast and Lights when Cyprinus first came back on the scene. I actually bought one and can confirm it did come in an Aqua box. Whether or not it was the same as an Aqua F&L I can't confirm as I didn't use it in the end. You don't hear too many complaints about the F&L or the M4 that was available about the same time so it's possible they were Aqua stock rebadged.
Cyprinus then moved away from the Aqua seconds/rip off rebadging and tried to copy the tempest/titan type block bivvies. It's these that are now falling apart 12-24 months later after everyone saying how great they were and that the likes of Aqua and Trakker were finished.
In reply to Post #24
I'm sure nash had quality issues with one of their new bivvies a few years back think it was the hide,the first shipment all got sent back
I'm sure nash had quality issues with one of their new bivvies a few years back think it was the hide,the first shipment all got sent back
In reply to Post #26
My mate has the cyprinus max headroom typhoon in ripstop and loves it. 3 years on its still perfect.
I never used them but Shame they went bust. China is causing a lot of supply problems in different industry.
My mate has the cyprinus max headroom typhoon in ripstop and loves it. 3 years on its still perfect.
I never used them but Shame they went bust. China is causing a lot of supply problems in different industry.
In reply to Post #24
I hate to say it but in the last few years we've had a lot of cheap bait boats from China, won't be long before one of those manufacturers disappears.
I hate to say it but in the last few years we've had a lot of cheap bait boats from China, won't be long before one of those manufacturers disappears.
In reply to Post #27
Pegging points coming off. Design fault that changed
Pegging points coming off. Design fault that changed
In reply to Post #26
My mates typhoon turned up with badges stitched on upside down and the pegging points was coming off on the first setup and now less than 18 months it's started to fail on the actual main block system, just cheap rubbish in my opinion, I'd rather just pay the extra
My mates typhoon turned up with badges stitched on upside down and the pegging points was coming off on the first setup and now less than 18 months it's started to fail on the actual main block system, just cheap rubbish in my opinion, I'd rather just pay the extra
In reply to Post #31
I have to admit when looking to replace an original fox evo not because of any faults in its use, but as I become older and often struggle to erect it, I looked at the Trakker tempest, it became apparent the cyprinus version was a pale imitation, with more than a few issues being spoke of around the banks.
I purchased the tempest and am very happy with all aspects of it, it fits in the smallest of swims, is quite easy to upgrade with various "add ons" and suits my needs perfectly.
I have to admit when looking to replace an original fox evo not because of any faults in its use, but as I become older and often struggle to erect it, I looked at the Trakker tempest, it became apparent the cyprinus version was a pale imitation, with more than a few issues being spoke of around the banks.
I purchased the tempest and am very happy with all aspects of it, it fits in the smallest of swims, is quite easy to upgrade with various "add ons" and suits my needs perfectly.
I have the typhoon mh, got some spare poles delivered only a few weeks ago FOC from them.
The site is still up but has no products on it.
TBH overall I have liked their products and when it went wrong they delivered and all was resolved so for me it'll be a shame if they truly have gone under.
###ked if I would pay tracker's extortionate price for a 150 tempest.... it's just stupidly overpriced. Yes, I can afford it but ffs.... it's just a bivvy...
With any luck cyprinus will reappear in a few weeks under a tweaked name or they might just be having a site update..... 🤔 🤞
The site is still up but has no products on it.
TBH overall I have liked their products and when it went wrong they delivered and all was resolved so for me it'll be a shame if they truly have gone under.
###ked if I would pay tracker's extortionate price for a 150 tempest.... it's just stupidly overpriced. Yes, I can afford it but ffs.... it's just a bivvy...
With any luck cyprinus will reappear in a few weeks under a tweaked name or they might just be having a site update..... 🤔 🤞
I get a regular pdf sent to me by one of the Chinese manufacturers. Not the same factory as trakker use, but they do make lots of other stuff. I've never bothered to go through the whole thing but I'm pretty sure the stuff listed is resold by the likes of avid etc. I think you'd be surprised how little stuff actually costs. Obviously there's the need to order in volume, plus shipping etc but I have to agree that £1000 for a bivvy is pulling peoples pants down.
They are slow to respond to emails....
I can't find anything about the company going bust, maybe they have just cleared the shop to have a quiet Xmas and new year. We will see.
I can't find anything about the company going bust, maybe they have just cleared the shop to have a quiet Xmas and new year. We will see.
In reply to Post #35
They took my money on December 4th and have not attempted to ship my order, nor responded to any enquiries for at least two weeks now.
I'm fairly confident they/he have trousered my cash and done a runner.
I would be interested to see if anyone else has experienced the same, but my gut feeling is that I already know the answer.
They took my money on December 4th and have not attempted to ship my order, nor responded to any enquiries for at least two weeks now.
I'm fairly confident they/he have trousered my cash and done a runner.
I would be interested to see if anyone else has experienced the same, but my gut feeling is that I already know the answer.
In reply to Post #36
I have been told they are still taking orders today, if that is so it is totally wrong, like taking money by false pretences, surely there is a law against this, years ago I purchased a new three piece suit from a company not knowing they had gone to the wall, I was very lucky as I used my credit card and was refunded the money and NO I never got the suit
I have been told they are still taking orders today, if that is so it is totally wrong, like taking money by false pretences, surely there is a law against this, years ago I purchased a new three piece suit from a company not knowing they had gone to the wall, I was very lucky as I used my credit card and was refunded the money and NO I never got the suit
In reply to Post #37
I don't see how they can still be taking orders, as their site shows zeroes stock of any products.
I'm hoping that Paypal will refund my money , once they realise what has actually gone down.
I don't see how they can still be taking orders, as their site shows zeroes stock of any products.
I'm hoping that Paypal will refund my money , once they realise what has actually gone down.
In reply to Post #37
How are they taking orders??
the website shows no products at all, and all other media, farcebook, youtube, etc has either shut down, been removed or long abandoned.
How are they taking orders??
the website shows no products at all, and all other media, farcebook, youtube, etc has either shut down, been removed or long abandoned.
In reply to Post #38
EBAY,??
I thought you had bought it direct from cyprinus?
I wasn't aware they sold on ebay, have you got a link to their listings.
EBAY,??
I thought you had bought it direct from cyprinus?
I wasn't aware they sold on ebay, have you got a link to their listings.
In reply to Post #40
They certainly sold through eBay, that's how I bought the ‘Aqua' F&L. This might have been before their website though.
They certainly sold through eBay, that's how I bought the ‘Aqua' F&L. This might have been before their website though.
In reply to Post #41
They used to be pretty much ebay only back in the days of the M4's and original f&l's
They used to be pretty much ebay only back in the days of the M4's and original f&l's
In reply to Post #42
Yep, should have stayed that way by the looks of it, but maybe the supply of back door/seconds Aqua gear ran out.
Yep, should have stayed that way by the looks of it, but maybe the supply of back door/seconds Aqua gear ran out.
In reply to Post #38
Ebay , thers's no completed orders for 4th December , all very odd .Ebay will refund you anyway, whats the item number you purchased ?
Ebay , thers's no completed orders for 4th December , all very odd .Ebay will refund you anyway, whats the item number you purchased ?
In reply to Post #40
Duh, I had a brain fart earlier. I meant that I hope Paypal refund my money.
I placed my order directly from the website.
Sorry for any confusion, must have been a senior moment, lol !
Duh, I had a brain fart earlier. I meant that I hope Paypal refund my money.
I placed my order directly from the website.
Sorry for any confusion, must have been a senior moment, lol !
In reply to Post #45
ah, ok sir, paypal makes sense.
with no proof of them dispatching your order, and no tracking information, in addition to a lack of correspondence, paypal will likely refund you no problem.
ah, ok sir, paypal makes sense.
with no proof of them dispatching your order, and no tracking information, in addition to a lack of correspondence, paypal will likely refund you no problem.
In reply to Post #44
when you say there are "no completed orders" on the 4th, does this mean you know their ebay site?
have you got a link, might be good to know who to avoid.
when you say there are "no completed orders" on the 4th, does this mean you know their ebay site?
have you got a link, might be good to know who to avoid.
EDITED WRONG COMPANY APPARENTLY 🤣
In reply to Post #48
WRONG COMPANY, Again, I made the same mistake.
the company in question is below.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05313495/officers
WRONG COMPANY, Again, I made the same mistake.
the company in question is below.
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05313495/officers
In reply to Post #48
That is not the company in question. Repeated school boy error.
That is not the company in question. Repeated school boy error.
In reply to Post #43
None of their gear was seconds......each bivvy they sold had a very slight difference to Aqua apart from the brollys.......
None of their gear was seconds......each bivvy they sold had a very slight difference to Aqua apart from the brollys.......
Just noticed that there is a seller on ebay selling quite a bit of new Cyprinus gear. Seller is carpfishingoutletstoreuk, based in Swindon, details below. Could be the selling of excess stock or it could be a reincarnation?
Business seller information
ATNT Ltd
Andrew Train
4 Coate Lane
Swindon, Coate
Wiltshire
SN3 6GD
United Kingdom
Phone: 7553135196
Email: atntltd05@gmail.com
Business seller information
ATNT Ltd
Andrew Train
4 Coate Lane
Swindon, Coate
Wiltshire
SN3 6GD
United Kingdom
Phone: 7553135196
Email: atntltd05@gmail.com
In reply to Post #52
I'm sure that's the owner of Cyprinus.......
I'm sure that's the owner of Cyprinus.......
In reply to Post #53
I think you're right
I think you're right
In reply to Post #52
this is the owner.
this is the owner.
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