Is the cloudy product in things like the Mainline or Nash Zig cloud ground baits just Lamlac?
TIA
TIA
In reply to Post #1
Of course not must be unicorn jizz for what they charge.
Of course not must be unicorn jizz for what they charge.
In reply to Post #1
I sure someone on here mentioned whey protein was in Mainlines smart liquid.
I sure someone on here mentioned whey protein was in Mainlines smart liquid.
In reply to Post #3
Would probably work, and I have some WPI in the house, but an expensive product vs Lamlac
Would probably work, and I have some WPI in the house, but an expensive product vs Lamlac
In reply to Post #3
whey fat powder
whey fat powder
In reply to Post #5
Do you think that is what they use Mozzi?
Is see Spotted Fin sell something like it? £12 for 5kg so much cheaper than the protein powders. I'm only looking for the cloud effect, not the nutrition
Thanks.
Do you think that is what they use Mozzi?
Is see Spotted Fin sell something like it? £12 for 5kg so much cheaper than the protein powders. I'm only looking for the cloud effect, not the nutrition
Thanks.
In reply to Post #6
They went on and on about it being a high fat liquid etc, whey protein is too expensive for them and lacks the fat. Lamlac could be an option but it's not so much a cloudy liquid and tiny droplets, if you warmed up some sunflower oil and glycerine mixture and added whey fat, flavour, dye and perhaps some sugars at a high velocity such as on a blender with a bit of egg albumen and can than gum you'd get a very similar product. With a bit of tweaking.
They went on and on about it being a high fat liquid etc, whey protein is too expensive for them and lacks the fat. Lamlac could be an option but it's not so much a cloudy liquid and tiny droplets, if you warmed up some sunflower oil and glycerine mixture and added whey fat, flavour, dye and perhaps some sugars at a high velocity such as on a blender with a bit of egg albumen and can than gum you'd get a very similar product. With a bit of tweaking.
In reply to Post #1
This would probably do the job?
Cheap as chips too.
https://www.carpology.net/article/ologyfix/how-to-make-a-super-insanely-cloudy-spod-mix/
This would probably do the job?
Cheap as chips too.
https://www.carpology.net/article/ologyfix/how-to-make-a-super-insanely-cloudy-spod-mix/
In reply to Post #7
I'm not really looking to replicate the smart liquid though, just cloud the water.
I mainly fish with hemp, pellet and a few tigers if I'm feeding them on the bottom.
I used the cloudy Spod stuff zigging in the winter and did well in the right conditions. Large spods of the cloudy Spod mix from mainline created a really large area of cloudy water and I got bites in that area. I don't think it was much more than the coloured water that switched them on.
I was thinking of coating my bottom feed with something that clouded the water in the same way. More dusting with a powder than mixing up some gloop
I'm not really looking to replicate the smart liquid though, just cloud the water.
I mainly fish with hemp, pellet and a few tigers if I'm feeding them on the bottom.
I used the cloudy Spod stuff zigging in the winter and did well in the right conditions. Large spods of the cloudy Spod mix from mainline created a really large area of cloudy water and I got bites in that area. I don't think it was much more than the coloured water that switched them on.
I was thinking of coating my bottom feed with something that clouded the water in the same way. More dusting with a powder than mixing up some gloop
Power milk or carnation milk gives a good cloud
In reply to Post #10
I tried carnation caramel cream and coconut milk in my particle mix gave a great cloud and resulted in my PB carp and my PB canal carp
I tried carnation caramel cream and coconut milk in my particle mix gave a great cloud and resulted in my PB carp and my PB canal carp
In reply to Post #10
I may be wrong, but i was under the impression that milk is a serious pollutant in water
I may be wrong, but i was under the impression that milk is a serious pollutant in water
In reply to Post #12
It is, deoxygenates water iirc. But in tiny quantities like a tin of carnation it's fine
It is, deoxygenates water iirc. But in tiny quantities like a tin of carnation it's fine
In reply to Post #12
It is but so are decathlon boillies and people use them
It is but so are decathlon boillies and people use them
In reply to Post #13
thought so.
not sure id use it, in fact, i wouldnt
thought so.
not sure id use it, in fact, i wouldnt
In reply to Post #14
you'll have to expand on that mate
you'll have to expand on that mate
In reply to Post #16
Just a hunch, probably a great food source
Just a hunch, probably a great food source
In reply to Post #12
Not necessarily once processed to thst state and in the amounts we use.
We're talking several thousand gallons in a small water source at once like how dairy's get rid of any holding waste. Or used to, not sure what regulations govern them now.
Not necessarily once processed to thst state and in the amounts we use.
We're talking several thousand gallons in a small water source at once like how dairy's get rid of any holding waste. Or used to, not sure what regulations govern them now.
In reply to Post #17
i was referring to that link 
i was referring to that link
In reply to Post #18
diary farmers certianly do not dispose into waterways
diary farmers certianly do not dispose into waterways
In reply to Post #20
There was a big goo hah in the US about it and the problem during Covid was it being sprayed em mass into fields and working its way into water ways. I can only go by what I read in reports / news etc.
Correct though they don't just dump truck loads of stuff into rivers, but it gets there and is an acknowledged problem
There was a big goo hah in the US about it and the problem during Covid was it being sprayed em mass into fields and working its way into water ways. I can only go by what I read in reports / news etc.
Correct though they don't just dump truck loads of stuff into rivers, but it gets there and is an acknowledged problem
Iirc the biggest issue with milk in waterways is something to do with milks effect on friendly bacteria in water treatment works. From a poor memory im sure it kills the bacteria which helps to clean the water.
Milk has to be disposed of under cat 3 rules as it's an animal by product. Criminal offence to tip it down your sink for businesses at least. It has a higher BOD than silage and slurry. But you won't cause any problems putting a ton of condensed milk in some spod mix. You'd need loads, like salt, to do damage.
In reply to Post #21
US isnt UK
US isnt UK
In reply to Post #24
Cheers for clearing that up 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cheers for clearing that up 😂😂😂😂😂😂
In reply to Post #23
And yet in most cases it is permissible to recycle it on the farm it is produced on ie feeding it through live stock, spraying onto farm land.
And yet in most cases it is permissible to recycle it on the farm it is produced on ie feeding it through live stock, spraying onto farm land.
In reply to Post #26
In both those cases it doesnt go directly in to a water course
In both those cases it doesnt go directly in to a water course
In reply to Post #27
and if it does, DEFRA etc get involved
and if it does, DEFRA etc get involved
This is all fascinating stuff.
But..has anyone tried dusting boilies/pellets in lamlac to cloud up the water?
Thanks
But..has anyone tried dusting boilies/pellets in lamlac to cloud up the water?
Thanks
In reply to Post #29
Not sure how much "dusting" anything would cloud up the water Tbh. Not a great deal I'd guess. You'd be better with a very wet soupy groundbait mix to do that, or add a tin of carnation like mentioned to spod mix
Not sure how much "dusting" anything would cloud up the water Tbh. Not a great deal I'd guess. You'd be better with a very wet soupy groundbait mix to do that, or add a tin of carnation like mentioned to spod mix
In reply to Post #29
pointless
pointless
In reply to Post #30
If you damp down some pellet with liquid and oil, throw a couple of handfuls of the mainline cloudy spod ground bait in and shake to ‘dust' the pellets then it creates a huge cloud when you Spod/spoon/chuck it into the water. The cloud plooms off the pellets as they drop to the bottom.
This method did me a fair few winter bites.
I thought somebody might know what the cloudy bit was in the mix.
If you damp down some pellet with liquid and oil, throw a couple of handfuls of the mainline cloudy spod ground bait in and shake to ‘dust' the pellets then it creates a huge cloud when you Spod/spoon/chuck it into the water. The cloud plooms off the pellets as they drop to the bottom.
This method did me a fair few winter bites.
I thought somebody might know what the cloudy bit was in the mix.
In reply to Post #31
Not in my experience. But thanks.
Not in my experience. But thanks.
I once heard frank Warwick mention that koi carp clay clouds very well. Maybe that is a better option?
In reply to Post #34
Frijj milk shake mixed into groundbait creates a cloud.
Frijj milk shake mixed into groundbait creates a cloud.
Mole hill mud
In reply to Post #27
Yes it can, there's quite a few articles in it now. It SHOULDNT but then a lot of stuff shouldn't happen.
People like DEFRA only get involved if it's detected / reported / comes up on inspection? Clouds have to align for that.
Cost is the prohibitory factor as if based in Europe your distribution is land freight, else there would be loads of material for someone to start making milk proteins in the U.K. and make use of the by product
Yes it can, there's quite a few articles in it now. It SHOULDNT but then a lot of stuff shouldn't happen.
People like DEFRA only get involved if it's detected / reported / comes up on inspection? Clouds have to align for that.
Cost is the prohibitory factor as if based in Europe your distribution is land freight, else there would be loads of material for someone to start making milk proteins in the U.K. and make use of the by product
In reply to Post #37
what are you on about? you are saying milk goes DIRECTLY in to the watercourse as a liquid when it is used in animal feed and sprayed on to fields?
what are you on about? you are saying milk goes DIRECTLY in to the watercourse as a liquid when it is used in animal feed and sprayed on to fields?
In reply to Post #38
Farmers are not putting milk down the drain ,If they had to get rid of some which would be a rare occurrence it would probably be spread on the land or put in the slurry system.
A lot and maybe most milk proteins are recovered from Butter and cheese making.
Farmers are not putting milk down the drain ,If they had to get rid of some which would be a rare occurrence it would probably be spread on the land or put in the slurry system.
A lot and maybe most milk proteins are recovered from Butter and cheese making.
In reply to Post #1
To answer the posters question which none of appear to be able to
Titanium Dioxide is probably what produces the white cloud from the various dips , before you all throw your hands and anything else up in horror its also used in toothpaste and cheese as well as other things to make those white as well.
Used to be used in Boilies but now banned by the EU in case a fish eats it and a human then eats the fish ,load of nonsense I know we can eat it directly but cant eat something that has eaten it.
As it is in a dip not the Boilie I presume it is considered they are not eating it .
From Google
Is titanium dioxide harmful to the body?
Should you avoid it? To date, titanium dioxide is considered safe for consumption. Most research concludes that the amount consumed from food is so low that it poses no risk to human health
What is titanium dioxide used in?
Because of its bright whiteness, it is used in products such as paints, coatings, papers, inks, toothpaste, face powder, and food colouring. Even though it is one of the most-produced chemicals, the real and potential benefits of titanium dioxide are not without controversies.
To answer the posters question which none of appear to be able to
Titanium Dioxide is probably what produces the white cloud from the various dips , before you all throw your hands and anything else up in horror its also used in toothpaste and cheese as well as other things to make those white as well.
Used to be used in Boilies but now banned by the EU in case a fish eats it and a human then eats the fish ,load of nonsense I know we can eat it directly but cant eat something that has eaten it.
As it is in a dip not the Boilie I presume it is considered they are not eating it .
From Google
Is titanium dioxide harmful to the body?
Should you avoid it? To date, titanium dioxide is considered safe for consumption. Most research concludes that the amount consumed from food is so low that it poses no risk to human health
What is titanium dioxide used in?
Because of its bright whiteness, it is used in products such as paints, coatings, papers, inks, toothpaste, face powder, and food colouring. Even though it is one of the most-produced chemicals, the real and potential benefits of titanium dioxide are not without controversies.
In reply to Post #20
Generally its used for anaerobic digestion these days... helps off set carbon footprints
Generally its used for anaerobic digestion these days... helps off set carbon footprints
In reply to Post #40
Errr several people have suggested very good answers to the op
Not sure how insoluble titanium dioxide, used as white boilie dye since the 70's, is going to make a very good cloudy liquid
much better suggestions already on this thread 
Titanium dioxide is still sold by the likes of CC Moore, AA Baits etc 'for hookbaits only' (although eBay is probably cheaper) so if home rolling there is nothing to stop you using it regardless of any EU laws
Errr several people have suggested very good answers to the op
Not sure how insoluble titanium dioxide, used as white boilie dye since the 70's, is going to make a very good cloudy liquid
much better suggestions already on this thread Titanium dioxide is still sold by the likes of CC Moore, AA Baits etc 'for hookbaits only' (although eBay is probably cheaper) so if home rolling there is nothing to stop you using it regardless of any EU laws
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