I'm about to have some custom made free spirit hi s's built and need to know what size tip rings to have fitted . To be honest I've thought of most things but haven't give this a second thought. The rods are free spirit hi s 12'6 3.25 in full cork with 50mm Kigan 3D in gunsmoke . My rod builder has asked if I'd like 12 or 16mm tip rings . Not really sure so looking for some advice , thanks .
In reply to Post #1
Personally I would go with 16mm. On my Torrix I'm rung from 50mm to 16mm.
Personally I would go with 16mm. On my Torrix I'm rung from 50mm to 16mm.
In reply to Post #1
16mm anti frap tip ring for me every time on medium to long range rods.
16mm anti frap tip ring for me every time on medium to long range rods.
In reply to Post #3
Thanks for that . Does anyone know if the Kigan tip rings are all anti frap or would I have to specify it , thanks ?
Thanks for that . Does anyone know if the Kigan tip rings are all anti frap or would I have to specify it , thanks ?
In reply to Post #4
16mm if you have to have 50mm butt. I hate 50mm rings they look terrible. 40mm is more than big enough. Great choice of blank, probably the best alround rod ive ever owned and by far my favourite hi s blank. They are superb.
16mm if you have to have 50mm butt. I hate 50mm rings they look terrible. 40mm is more than big enough. Great choice of blank, probably the best alround rod ive ever owned and by far my favourite hi s blank. They are superb.
In reply to Post #1
16mm no question IMO
16mm no question IMO
In reply to Post #6
Ditto
Ditto
In reply to Post #1
I'm in the minority here but if I were having those built it would be with a 40mm to 12mm advanced pattern ring set.
I'm in the minority here but if I were having those built it would be with a 40mm to 12mm advanced pattern ring set.
The only benefit I could think of for a large tip eye would be being able to pull a lead clip through if you're zig fishing?
In reply to Post #9
there can be a massive difference in casting
there can be a massive difference in casting
In reply to Post #10
Care to explain your point? Do you mean accuracy or distance? I would have thought smaller like 12mm would be more accurate. Can't see there being much difference in distance 12-20mm once the line has rattled though every other ring.
Care to explain your point? Do you mean accuracy or distance? I would have thought smaller like 12mm would be more accurate. Can't see there being much difference in distance 12-20mm once the line has rattled though every other ring.
In reply to Post #8
Likewise, I'd go for 12mm. My local rod builder would probably build these with 30mm down to 12mm and probably have 9 guides in total (incl butt and tip). Looks loads better than these rods with basketball hoops as guides.
Likewise, I'd go for 12mm. My local rod builder would probably build these with 30mm down to 12mm and probably have 9 guides in total (incl butt and tip). Looks loads better than these rods with basketball hoops as guides.
In reply to Post #12
I'd have 30 down to 8. 10 at a push
I'd have 30 down to 8. 10 at a push
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Just something that Terry told us on a casting tuition years ago when he tried my AKN12H 2.75lb I took along he had never actually seen one at that time
he actually wanted to cancel the lesson that my pal had arranged due to a storm with 40 - 60mph cross winds !!!!
but as my pal had driven from Somerset he reluctantly agreed
I persuaded him to cast my Amorphous rod and due to the age of it he said Im not going to give it the biggun as I dont want to break it
he then cast 184 yards with the single cast and and that was with the gigantic bow in the line with the crosswind !!! as he said this rod is amazing very fast recovery speed it will easily do 200
but it really needs the tip ring changing to a 16mm !!!! for better range it makes a difference and I have never forgotten that
a really top guy !
(think about what the tip of your rod does on a cast )
Just something that Terry told us on a casting tuition years ago when he tried my AKN12H 2.75lb I took along he had never actually seen one at that time
he actually wanted to cancel the lesson that my pal had arranged due to a storm with 40 - 60mph cross winds !!!!
but as my pal had driven from Somerset he reluctantly agreed
I persuaded him to cast my Amorphous rod and due to the age of it he said Im not going to give it the biggun as I dont want to break it
he then cast 184 yards with the single cast and and that was with the gigantic bow in the line with the crosswind !!! as he said this rod is amazing very fast recovery speed it will easily do 200
but it really needs the tip ring changing to a 16mm !!!! for better range it makes a difference and I have never forgotten that
a really top guy !
(think about what the tip of your rod does on a cast )
In reply to Post #14
He could cast 180 yards with guides whipped on a storm pole
Razorback who used to post on here has rods with 25 or 30 to 8mm guides he regularly puts over 180.
What Terry usually says is that all his casting records have been with 50 to 16mm or bigger, not that a person of average ability would see a real benefit
He could cast 180 yards with guides whipped on a storm pole
Razorback who used to post on here has rods with 25 or 30 to 8mm guides he regularly puts over 180.
What Terry usually says is that all his casting records have been with 50 to 16mm or bigger, not that a person of average ability would see a real benefit
In reply to Post #15
Do you know who built Razorback's rods? I'd guess it's the same guy that built mine, 25 down to 8.
Do you know who built Razorback's rods? I'd guess it's the same guy that built mine, 25 down to 8.
In reply to Post #16
Kev Baines- anglers workshop.
I believe he's retired now though.
Kev Baines- anglers workshop.
I believe he's retired now though.
In reply to Post #12
Thats exactly how i would recommend and build them , why on earth anyone would want 50ml guides on a fishing rod is beyond me . Sick of saying it . Just built 12ft torrix 2.25 tc 30ml to 10ml 9 guides plus tip , buyer can hit stupid distance with them . I wanted to put 25ml butt guide but he would,nt have it.
Thats exactly how i would recommend and build them , why on earth anyone would want 50ml guides on a fishing rod is beyond me . Sick of saying it . Just built 12ft torrix 2.25 tc 30ml to 10ml 9 guides plus tip , buyer can hit stupid distance with them . I wanted to put 25ml butt guide but he would,nt have it.
In reply to Post #17
Yes, Kevin built my rods and my sons, he's strongly advocates using small guides. And yes, the rumours are that he has retired though his one page website still exists.
Yes, Kevin built my rods and my sons, he's strongly advocates using small guides. And yes, the rumours are that he has retired though his one page website still exists.
In reply to Post #18
Hi Jeff, so are you saying that you follow the same ethos in building as Kevin Baines?
I'm an advocate of smaller guides and light leads, own 3 Baines rods and have 3 other rods that have 40mm sets on which I think would benefit from a strip down and re rung, what are your thoughts on these titanium American guides now available in 'k' style format but half the cost?
Regards.
Hi Jeff, so are you saying that you follow the same ethos in building as Kevin Baines?
I'm an advocate of smaller guides and light leads, own 3 Baines rods and have 3 other rods that have 40mm sets on which I think would benefit from a strip down and re rung, what are your thoughts on these titanium American guides now available in 'k' style format but half the cost?
Regards.
Thanks for all the replies . I've decided to go with the 16mm tip , can't wait 👍
In reply to Post #20
Yes mate i do the blank performs so much better with smaller guides , of course you have to have a decent blank to begin with but most blanks these days are decent ,50ml guides on a fishing rod serve no purpose whatsoever, if you are a tournament caster using a spod rod or beachcaster then it may give you a little more distance. I prefer to use kigans or fuji guides on the rods i build.
Yes mate i do the blank performs so much better with smaller guides , of course you have to have a decent blank to begin with but most blanks these days are decent ,50ml guides on a fishing rod serve no purpose whatsoever, if you are a tournament caster using a spod rod or beachcaster then it may give you a little more distance. I prefer to use kigans or fuji guides on the rods i build.
In reply to Post #15
Noj, with all due respect (you post some great stuff), I'm not sure I buy into your argument of the eye ring diameters making no difference to casting, at least in my experience anyway.
The mono I use (Pro Gold and Touchdown 15 lb) are wirey, heavy lines that get twisted pretty darn quick :( .
I get more frapping, and slightly less distance using my 40 mm rods than my 50 mms.
This is just bog standard casting 70-90 yards.
Maybe it's my technique and I'm doing something wrong, but when my mono starts getting coiley, I get more and feel more comfortable when I'm going for a long chuck with my 50s. I always keep the angle of line on my finger as wide as possible.
Whatever, not saying I'm right, you're wrong, but personally I'd sway to a 50 for a big chuck with my gear, and like I say my technique is probably lacking.
BTW I much prefer lighter smaller guides and can't stand the heavier 50s, but sometimes needs must. :( .
Noj, with all due respect (you post some great stuff), I'm not sure I buy into your argument of the eye ring diameters making no difference to casting, at least in my experience anyway.
The mono I use (Pro Gold and Touchdown 15 lb) are wirey, heavy lines that get twisted pretty darn quick :( .
I get more frapping, and slightly less distance using my 40 mm rods than my 50 mms.
This is just bog standard casting 70-90 yards.
Maybe it's my technique and I'm doing something wrong, but when my mono starts getting coiley, I get more and feel more comfortable when I'm going for a long chuck with my 50s. I always keep the angle of line on my finger as wide as possible.
Whatever, not saying I'm right, you're wrong, but personally I'd sway to a 50 for a big chuck with my gear, and like I say my technique is probably lacking.
BTW I much prefer lighter smaller guides and can't stand the heavier 50s, but sometimes needs must. :( .
In reply to Post #23
For all out distance I don't doubt that 50s probably help, the same for using heavy mono or fluoro. I preferred my rods with 50s for using fluoro beyond about 50 yards but they are so detrimental to every other aspect of the rod I'd rather use sinking braid and 25mm guides. You also have a bigger window of performance and casting load range when you ring a rod closer and more tightly spaced, why I don't know.. I'm not a physicist, but having test built rods from 1.25 to 3lb it seems to be the case. The weight difference also means if you had a blank that performed well with 50-16 then 25-8 with 9 guides would potentially be so crisp that you close that performance window and it's unusable. So you need a 2.5 instead of a 3.5 to find a happy medium for usability. It's not as simple as putting little guides on and the rod becomes amazing.
It's personal choice where you compromise and lean towards casting or fishing rods. Though the fact there are rods capable of an average bloke putting .35 mono 150+ with 30mm guides, it's probably safe to say very few have the technique for TE's advice to be entirely relevant to them. I'd be first to admit I know nothing and care not about extreme range fishing, but I do know razorback can fish beyond the range of some folk using 3.75 blanks with his 2.25 baby snipers
For all out distance I don't doubt that 50s probably help, the same for using heavy mono or fluoro. I preferred my rods with 50s for using fluoro beyond about 50 yards but they are so detrimental to every other aspect of the rod I'd rather use sinking braid and 25mm guides. You also have a bigger window of performance and casting load range when you ring a rod closer and more tightly spaced, why I don't know.. I'm not a physicist, but having test built rods from 1.25 to 3lb it seems to be the case. The weight difference also means if you had a blank that performed well with 50-16 then 25-8 with 9 guides would potentially be so crisp that you close that performance window and it's unusable. So you need a 2.5 instead of a 3.5 to find a happy medium for usability. It's not as simple as putting little guides on and the rod becomes amazing.
It's personal choice where you compromise and lean towards casting or fishing rods. Though the fact there are rods capable of an average bloke putting .35 mono 150+ with 30mm guides, it's probably safe to say very few have the technique for TE's advice to be entirely relevant to them. I'd be first to admit I know nothing and care not about extreme range fishing, but I do know razorback can fish beyond the range of some folk using 3.75 blanks with his 2.25 baby snipers
Slightly off topic but does anyone know where I can get a new tip ring for a wychwood dispatch spod rod please ?
In reply to Post #25
I'd ask at you local tackle shop if you have one.
Alternatively, ebay.
I'd ask at you local tackle shop if you have one.
Alternatively, ebay.
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