How has this not been developed sooner... I won't be rushing out to buy them as I have enough lead clips for all situations but it looks a decent invention.
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Does it go out in a straight line
Does it go out in a straight line
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Yes it looks good. Maybe a bit bulky though.
Yes it looks good. Maybe a bit bulky though.
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I thought that too. Although shouldn't hinder at distance as it's light plastic.
I thought that too. Although shouldn't hinder at distance as it's light plastic.
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They remind me very much of the MCF dumper lead clips.
I will be giving them a go for sure.
They remind me very much of the MCF dumper lead clips.
I will be giving them a go for sure.
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£6.75 a pack!!!!
Pish take!
£6.75 a pack!!!!
Pish take!
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Only 6.25 for the green
Only 6.25 for the green
I see a lot of comments saying what a great invention. But I can't really see any use for it myself? Isn't this just a version of pushing the tail rubber on a bit tighter?
2 years in development.. another way to dump toxic metal in water, yay
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Mcf have done one almost the same for years.
Mcf have done one almost the same for years.
Not too sure about the exposed wire being close to the fish. Surely that could cause damage very easily? Two years in the making is due to shopping delays surely.
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They've already burnt down one bivvy.
They've already burnt down one bivvy.
Am I correct in thinking this clip is either fully on or fully off. I like to set the clip so the lead will come off if the fish goes through a weedbed, but won't come off in snag free areas.
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It seems that way, but maybe the tension in the wire prevents the lead dropping until the carp shakes its head or runs into weed.
Like you, i like to be able to adjust the setting of my clip using the swivel tension and adjustment of the rail rubber. This is done by adding a loop of 15lb mono to tighten the swivel into the clip, or even locking it fully in place if i want the lead to drop.
In open water i like the swivel to be semi fixed, and a good shake of the head will separate the swivel and clip and it then becomes a running lead.
It seems that way, but maybe the tension in the wire prevents the lead dropping until the carp shakes its head or runs into weed.
Like you, i like to be able to adjust the setting of my clip using the swivel tension and adjustment of the rail rubber. This is done by adding a loop of 15lb mono to tighten the swivel into the clip, or even locking it fully in place if i want the lead to drop.
In open water i like the swivel to be semi fixed, and a good shake of the head will separate the swivel and clip and it then becomes a running lead.
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You only get 5 as well
You only get 5 as well
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Fella. Your sticking bits of metal in there mouths. Are you really that worried what a piece of wire will do..
Fella. Your sticking bits of metal in there mouths. Are you really that worried what a piece of wire will do..
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We do enough, no need to risk causing any more potential damage is there, especially when avoidable. Small hook mark vs scratched flank or potentially eye damage dependent on rig length...
maybe you are of different mindset and don't care about the fish you catch, each to their own. Bit weird to try and mock someone that would rather do less damage than more isn't it.
We do enough, no need to risk causing any more potential damage is there, especially when avoidable. Small hook mark vs scratched flank or potentially eye damage dependent on rig length...
maybe you are of different mindset and don't care about the fish you catch, each to their own. Bit weird to try and mock someone that would rather do less damage than more isn't it.
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This is a horrible view to have
This is a horrible view to have
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will be interesting to see how many venues will allow them with that piece sticking out.
will be interesting to see how many venues will allow them with that piece sticking out.
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I dont think it does actually stick out all the time, it looks like it does in the video but I think that's the weight of the lead pulling it down. I could be wrong, but i think with the lead gone the metal tag is covered.
I dont think it does actually stick out all the time, it looks like it does in the video but I think that's the weight of the lead pulling it down. I could be wrong, but i think with the lead gone the metal tag is covered.
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It's the same as the MCF Dumper. The wire doesn't stick out apart from the split second the lead is ejected. Then it retracts flush with the clip. There's no risk of damage to the fish imo.
It's basically a Dumper that can be reversed into a standard lead clip type set up. It's a decent design imo.
It's the same as the MCF Dumper. The wire doesn't stick out apart from the split second the lead is ejected. Then it retracts flush with the clip. There's no risk of damage to the fish imo.
It's basically a Dumper that can be reversed into a standard lead clip type set up. It's a decent design imo.
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could be
could be
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The photos on their website seem to show it sticking out and not sitting in the plastic groove.
Suppose it's nothing a gentle bend with a set of pliers wouldnt sort anyway even if it was the case.
Can see losing a lead in weed potentially bending the wire out of place.
If it sits in properly then there's no issue but it really isnt clear from their photos at all.
The photos on their website seem to show it sticking out and not sitting in the plastic groove.
Suppose it's nothing a gentle bend with a set of pliers wouldnt sort anyway even if it was the case.
Can see losing a lead in weed potentially bending the wire out of place.
If it sits in properly then there's no issue but it really isnt clear from their photos at all.
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Do you honestly believe they would release something without a two year field test.I mean come on no company would ever do that can you imagine if they did
Do you honestly believe they would release something without a two year field test.I mean come on no company would ever do that can you imagine if they did
I quite like it, looks a bit chunky but I don't think the carp would worry about that.
If you watch the video in post #1 it shows you that the clip retracts back into the clip once the lead has been discharged.
If you watch the video in post #1 it shows you that the clip retracts back into the clip once the lead has been discharged.
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"Do you honestly believe they would release something without a two year field test.I mean come on no company would ever do that can you imagine if they did "
Yep! thats what all tackle companies do, then in a year or so there will be a MKII, just like pretty much everything ever released by a carp tackle company!
"Do you honestly believe they would release something without a two year field test.I mean come on no company would ever do that can you imagine if they did "
Yep! thats what all tackle companies do, then in a year or so there will be a MKII, just like pretty much everything ever released by a carp tackle company!
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Agree, used the MCF Dumpers extensively on a lake a few years ago where dropping the lead was essential. Only issue with the dumpers, (Mk2 more than MK1) was that you could lose the lead on the cast with a big chuck and 4oz lead, so much so that I used to PVA tape it to keep it a bit more secure........will be interesting to see if the RM design eliminates this...
Agree, used the MCF Dumpers extensively on a lake a few years ago where dropping the lead was essential. Only issue with the dumpers, (Mk2 more than MK1) was that you could lose the lead on the cast with a big chuck and 4oz lead, so much so that I used to PVA tape it to keep it a bit more secure........will be interesting to see if the RM design eliminates this...
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They sure did, they did it so secretly that you cant even anyone on 17 videos they did in those two years using it.
They sure did, they did it so secretly that you cant even anyone on 17 videos they did in those two years using it.
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I think they commented on one video about them tbf,it always makes me laugh how it is always two years testing.They might test them for that period,the problems start when the item gets mass produced.I hope they have got these spot on,leads flying off the clips on the cast could be very dangerous
I think they commented on one video about them tbf,it always makes me laugh how it is always two years testing.They might test them for that period,the problems start when the item gets mass produced.I hope they have got these spot on,leads flying off the clips on the cast could be very dangerous
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Will personally stick with the MCF Dumper clips, been using these now for over 4 years whenever the lead needs to go (with PVA tape on the cast, of course!)
Will personally stick with the MCF Dumper clips, been using these now for over 4 years whenever the lead needs to go (with PVA tape on the cast, of course!)
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Used the dumpers for zigs and weed for years but being able to change that set up to standard is great imo. Saves carrying 2 kinds of clip around.
I'll probs get a pack to check them out.
Used the dumpers for zigs and weed for years but being able to change that set up to standard is great imo. Saves carrying 2 kinds of clip around.
I'll probs get a pack to check them out.
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I don't see how it's safe to the uni clip with not dumping the lead as there is no way for the fish to get rid of it
I don't see how it's safe to the uni clip with not dumping the lead as there is no way for the fish to get rid of it
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That's what I was saying before it's either fully on or fully dropping every take. Nothing safe in between.
That's what I was saying before it's either fully on or fully dropping every take. Nothing safe in between.
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It dumps the lead but takes more tension/force.
It dumps the lead but takes more tension/force.
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If that's so, then the demo vid doesn't show it or explain it well.
If that's so, then the demo vid doesn't show it or explain it well.
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New video on you tube explaining more
New video on you tube explaining more
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Whatever you think about RM they're not stupid enough to design and market a lead clip that cannot discharge the lead. It would be suicide.
Whatever you think about RM they're not stupid enough to design and market a lead clip that cannot discharge the lead. It would be suicide.
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This explains it as being able to either dump the lead or retain the lead. Retain being his own words. It doesn't show it dumping after more pressure. Don't get me wrong, anglers do this anyway my ramming on a tail rubber and how often would an angler not have it in the way round for where they are fishing. I Don't think it'll add to already existing problems on that front.
This explains it as being able to either dump the lead or retain the lead. Retain being his own words. It doesn't show it dumping after more pressure. Don't get me wrong, anglers do this anyway my ramming on a tail rubber and how often would an angler not have it in the way round for where they are fishing. I Don't think it'll add to already existing problems on that front.
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Just watched the video again and it does look like when set up to retain the lead, the long prong locates into a hole in the clip - completely preventing the lead discharging??
Just watched the video again and it does look like when set up to retain the lead, the long prong locates into a hole in the clip - completely preventing the lead discharging??
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I just checked the website, it says that when set up to retain the lead the clip will discharge under pressure if the fish or rig becomes snagged. Which is a given imho.
I just checked the website, it says that when set up to retain the lead the clip will discharge under pressure if the fish or rig becomes snagged. Which is a given imho.
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In all fairness to Jay, he was one of two anglers I saw using this style of clip on the mets.....and that was around 2010! It's not a new idea, I think I know who the inspiration came from too. I just wasn't confident messing around with paperclips . Like most items, they innovate from an original idea or an improvement on a competitors. That's life for you, yet in this industry we seem to have a problem with "copying" MCF or any other similar item to this.
So yeah, it is entirely possible to use these things for more than two years, it's just having the opportunity to get it to market, which he now has.
In all fairness to Jay, he was one of two anglers I saw using this style of clip on the mets.....and that was around 2010! It's not a new idea, I think I know who the inspiration came from too. I just wasn't confident messing around with paperclips . Like most items, they innovate from an original idea or an improvement on a competitors. That's life for you, yet in this industry we seem to have a problem with "copying" MCF or any other similar item to this.
So yeah, it is entirely possible to use these things for more than two years, it's just having the opportunity to get it to market, which he now has.
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Does anyone know when these are available and can you use them with leadcore?
Does anyone know when these are available and can you use them with leadcore?
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April time is what ridgemonkey replied to me when I emailed them
April time is what ridgemonkey replied to me when I emailed them
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Has anyone purchased and tried these out yet? I bought a pack but I have not tried them as yet. Look a bit cheap and nasty to me.
Has anyone purchased and tried these out yet? I bought a pack but I have not tried them as yet. Look a bit cheap and nasty to me.
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I used them for the first time at the weekend.
Didn't try dropping the lead with them but as a standard lead clip arrangement, they work just as any other does.
I also found that they grip the tungsten tubing very well, had no riding of the tubing up the line which I have experienced with others.
Well made and thought out in my opinion, very happy with them.
I used them for the first time at the weekend.
Didn't try dropping the lead with them but as a standard lead clip arrangement, they work just as any other does.
I also found that they grip the tungsten tubing very well, had no riding of the tubing up the line which I have experienced with others.
Well made and thought out in my opinion, very happy with them.
In reply to Post #45
Thread your rig tube through the tail rubber,warm the tubing with a lighter and press on it with your thumb.This creates a wider part of tubing that won't pull back through the tail rubber.You can then thread your mainline through and never have tubing moving up your line again
Thread your rig tube through the tail rubber,warm the tubing with a lighter and press on it with your thumb.This creates a wider part of tubing that won't pull back through the tail rubber.You can then thread your mainline through and never have tubing moving up your line again
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Very good idea. Will deffinetly put that to some use.
Very good idea. Will deffinetly put that to some use.
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Did you use their Tungsten tubing or another brand ?
Did you use their Tungsten tubing or another brand ?
In reply to Post #44
Brought some and tried them today. Fished to not drop the lead but still managed to lose the lead on the take and noticed that with every cast the wire would pull out slightly from the clip. Has anyone experienced the same or ideas on how to solve it?
Brought some and tried them today. Fished to not drop the lead but still managed to lose the lead on the take and noticed that with every cast the wire would pull out slightly from the clip. Has anyone experienced the same or ideas on how to solve it?
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I use the tungsten tubing from bank tackle.
I use the tungsten tubing from bank tackle.
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Not had this issue. Maybe just press the swivel end down on something hard like a rig box to make sure it's properly inside.
Not had this issue. Maybe just press the swivel end down on something hard like a rig box to make sure it's properly inside.
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