Being off work ill I've been sat watching numerous, numerous YouTube videos. And the trend I have noticed is what seems to me, to be the worse possible indication set ups possible. This isn't aimed at any company, or any anglers, loads and loads seem to do it.
They fish with a very tight line, a very light indicator pulled to the top, without the line in a rod clip or anything. You see them get takes with the rod top wrapping right round, followed by a single bleep unless the spool starts turning.
Am i missing something here? This spans videos across years and years. Why is this a thing?
They fish with a very tight line, a very light indicator pulled to the top, without the line in a rod clip or anything. You see them get takes with the rod top wrapping right round, followed by a single bleep unless the spool starts turning.
Am i missing something here? This spans videos across years and years. Why is this a thing?
In reply to Post #1
Yep. I don't get it either. Even if it's in the clip it takes some force to pull it out before you would get any indication. How are you noticing any liners etc either. Just don't get it.
Yep. I don't get it either. Even if it's in the clip it takes some force to pull it out before you would get any indication. How are you noticing any liners etc either. Just don't get it.
Maybe if it was massively windy, lots of undertow, big rafts of weed? Obviously I can see from the picture they're fishing a mill pond so not the case here.
I do fish zigs tight though.
I do fish zigs tight though.
In reply to Post #3
They seem to do it in most situations, other than very close in. It just seems they are using the wrong indicator to achieve what they need.
You can still fish a very tight line with a spring indicator or a heavy bobbin and leave a drop.
Having no movement at all just seems nuts. Where exactly is the line supposed to come from for the alarm to move
They seem to do it in most situations, other than very close in. It just seems they are using the wrong indicator to achieve what they need.
You can still fish a very tight line with a spring indicator or a heavy bobbin and leave a drop.
Having no movement at all just seems nuts. Where exactly is the line supposed to come from for the alarm to move
In reply to Post #4
Where exactly is the line supposed to come from for the alarm to move
I suppose if you're using vibe setting on your alarm movement isn't important.
Perhaps the assumption is the fish will move away as in bolt rig or snags, but that's not always the case as we know.
Another option could be fishing to the top of a bar with another bar/weed/something else between you and it, hence keeping the line over it, raised rods would also help there, depends on the height differences I suppose, personally I prefer a drop back option no matter what, personal pref.
Where exactly is the line supposed to come from for the alarm to move
I suppose if you're using vibe setting on your alarm movement isn't important.
Perhaps the assumption is the fish will move away as in bolt rig or snags, but that's not always the case as we know.
Another option could be fishing to the top of a bar with another bar/weed/something else between you and it, hence keeping the line over it, raised rods would also help there, depends on the height differences I suppose, personally I prefer a drop back option no matter what, personal pref.
In reply to Post #1
I could only think back leading or heavy line paid out and on the bottom with light indicators, but im not a expert
I could only think back leading or heavy line paid out and on the bottom with light indicators, but im not a expert
In reply to Post #1
It's looks an excellent way of preventing the Alarm being activated, basic common sense tells you to try and get as much contact with the Roller/Sensor as possible , throw Rain, dew or frost in the situation and your asking to get done.
It's looks an excellent way of preventing the Alarm being activated, basic common sense tells you to try and get as much contact with the Roller/Sensor as possible , throw Rain, dew or frost in the situation and your asking to get done.
In reply to Post #6
After worrying all evening about it maybe there on hormone **** and catching so many it dont matter
After worrying all evening about it maybe there on hormone **** and catching so many it dont matter
In reply to Post #1
Also most of the takes you see with this sort of set up sees the rod being pulled off the buzzers 🤷🏻♀️
Also most of the takes you see with this sort of set up sees the rod being pulled off the buzzers 🤷🏻♀️
In reply to Post #1
It's for bow string at range. Might as well fish with no bobbins but at the same time might as well put them on. End of the day who really cares lol.
Edit: At range nothing is pulling any rods off the rests with mono. Possible with braid.
It's for bow string at range. Might as well fish with no bobbins but at the same time might as well put them on. End of the day who really cares lol.
Edit: At range nothing is pulling any rods off the rests with mono. Possible with braid.
In reply to Post #11
But where does the indication come from with a set up like that. There's no movement at all?
Surely if that's how you need to fish you use a very heavy swinger/bobbin or a springer arm.
But where does the indication come from with a set up like that. There's no movement at all?
Surely if that's how you need to fish you use a very heavy swinger/bobbin or a springer arm.
In reply to Post #12
totally agree - if the fish cant take line how is there indication, especially with roller type alarms?
totally agree - if the fish cant take line how is there indication, especially with roller type alarms?
In reply to Post #12
Exactly, ideally you use a powerful loaded set up via a Springer (Scorpions are what I use) were the Lead weight is only just capable of holding position, slightest movement and it bolts back towards you – a no mercy method I always use at range or up to Jetty's /Structures.
With that set up shown, they can just kite in an arc without moving a thing - especially in winter when they move so slow.
Exactly, ideally you use a powerful loaded set up via a Springer (Scorpions are what I use) were the Lead weight is only just capable of holding position, slightest movement and it bolts back towards you – a no mercy method I always use at range or up to Jetty's /Structures.
With that set up shown, they can just kite in an arc without moving a thing - especially in winter when they move so slow.
In reply to Post #1
. . .prob cos it looks 'carpy' for the cameras . . .when they're actually fishing the bobbins are probably all over the place / not even lined up!
. . .prob cos it looks 'carpy' for the cameras . . .when they're actually fishing the bobbins are probably all over the place / not even lined up!
In reply to Post #12
I agree there are better ways (heavier bobbins etc). I'm just saying what the set up is used for as you asked. At range you're fishing for single beeps anyway and you will get that with the given set up. I dont think it's a big deal.
I agree there are better ways (heavier bobbins etc). I'm just saying what the set up is used for as you asked. At range you're fishing for single beeps anyway and you will get that with the given set up. I dont think it's a big deal.
In reply to Post #16
How will you get a single beep though there is no free line behind the alarm to make the alarm beep?
Why not use the correct indicator set up and have 1000% better indication?
How will you get a single beep though there is no free line behind the alarm to make the alarm beep?
Why not use the correct indicator set up and have 1000% better indication?
In reply to Post #17
I was thinking the same, with a proper highly tensioned set up even at 150 yards + the Rod jumps up and all hell breaks loose, I've hooked and landed Roach many times when they have been messing about with the Boilie and dislodged the Lead getting instantly hooked in the process, sometimes so small I've not even realised they are on and wound in as normal
I was thinking the same, with a proper highly tensioned set up even at 150 yards + the Rod jumps up and all hell breaks loose, I've hooked and landed Roach many times when they have been messing about with the Boilie and dislodged the Lead getting instantly hooked in the process, sometimes so small I've not even realised they are on and wound in as normal
In reply to Post #17
Why not use the correct indicator set up and have 1000% better indication?
Because it's carpy and you can't teach stupid
Why not use the correct indicator set up and have 1000% better indication?
Because it's carpy and you can't teach stupid
In reply to Post #19
For me you can't beat a heavyish bobbin with a decent drop, unless the conditions require something different of course (long range, windy, slack lines etc)
As well as the bowstring tight set up with bobbins at the top I often see super lightweight bobbins that would be rubbish at indicating any sort of drop back.
For me you can't beat a heavyish bobbin with a decent drop, unless the conditions require something different of course (long range, windy, slack lines etc)
As well as the bowstring tight set up with bobbins at the top I often see super lightweight bobbins that would be rubbish at indicating any sort of drop back.
In reply to Post #15
This..
It makes a good video.
This..
It makes a good video.
In reply to Post #12
Whoever it was that was fishing like that didn't have it set up correctly. Should have set the bobbin up at an angle from the buzzer, like 60° or so so there's indication forward or backwards. If you had a ripping take it would still work like it's shown, also, the way it's being used in this picture would still indicate drop backs.
The jury is still out on these sorts of bobbins for me - currently using them - even with the heaviest weights they sell for them, which are still too light for my likings. I do like the fact that that these sorts of bobbins are connected directly to the line as apposed to a bobbin which the line moves through. I've recently moved over from big heavy swing arms with large adjustable counter weight and heavy bobbin.
I like to fish tight lines in nearly all situations, only change when the water I'm on is tricky and the fish are twitchy. Currently using mono and have been fishing at silly ranges which I don't think is that good at all as there's too much stretch in mono and a fish at range can get up to all sorts and you'll never know. Braid seems like the logical way to go.
Whoever it was that was fishing like that didn't have it set up correctly. Should have set the bobbin up at an angle from the buzzer, like 60° or so so there's indication forward or backwards. If you had a ripping take it would still work like it's shown, also, the way it's being used in this picture would still indicate drop backs.
The jury is still out on these sorts of bobbins for me - currently using them - even with the heaviest weights they sell for them, which are still too light for my likings. I do like the fact that that these sorts of bobbins are connected directly to the line as apposed to a bobbin which the line moves through. I've recently moved over from big heavy swing arms with large adjustable counter weight and heavy bobbin.
I like to fish tight lines in nearly all situations, only change when the water I'm on is tricky and the fish are twitchy. Currently using mono and have been fishing at silly ranges which I don't think is that good at all as there's too much stretch in mono and a fish at range can get up to all sorts and you'll never know. Braid seems like the logical way to go.
In reply to Post #22
IF the bobbin was set at an angle away from the buzzer but still on a tight line as shown in the pic further down the thread im not sure it would make any difference as for bobbin to move line would have to come off the clutch and since most of these bobbins are set to drop off on forward take, would the bobbin drop off in both instances?
I agree with that set up the bobbin would eventually fall with a drop back the heavier the counter weight the quicker but for me a quiver type indicator is a lot better
IF the bobbin was set at an angle away from the buzzer but still on a tight line as shown in the pic further down the thread im not sure it would make any difference as for bobbin to move line would have to come off the clutch and since most of these bobbins are set to drop off on forward take, would the bobbin drop off in both instances?
I agree with that set up the bobbin would eventually fall with a drop back the heavier the counter weight the quicker but for me a quiver type indicator is a lot better
In reply to Post #23
Not really. There's loads of movement due to stretch in mono and would show indication on a tight line. Not that I've ever used braid as a mainline, there's hardly any in the stuff and you'd be correct in what you're saying, which from what people have told me is why bods use Delkims over roller buzzers with braid.
Not really. There's loads of movement due to stretch in mono and would show indication on a tight line. Not that I've ever used braid as a mainline, there's hardly any in the stuff and you'd be correct in what you're saying, which from what people have told me is why bods use Delkims over roller buzzers with braid.
In reply to Post #24
I think it would still be very minimal movement with mono as the stretch would be over the full length of line out not just the inch or so behind the alarm and i think it would still only give the same audible noise from alarm regardless to the angle of stow.
I think one of the of the functions of an indicator is to increase the available line movement over the buzzer to increase audible indication, i dont think these do that
I still think it would only significantly move when line comes off the clutch as with the stow type indicator it is clipped directly to the line so the only way it can move significantly forward is if the line itself moves ie line comes off the clutch
They are a poor indication system for tight lines at range
I think it would still be very minimal movement with mono as the stretch would be over the full length of line out not just the inch or so behind the alarm and i think it would still only give the same audible noise from alarm regardless to the angle of stow.
I think one of the of the functions of an indicator is to increase the available line movement over the buzzer to increase audible indication, i dont think these do that
I still think it would only significantly move when line comes off the clutch as with the stow type indicator it is clipped directly to the line so the only way it can move significantly forward is if the line itself moves ie line comes off the clutch
They are a poor indication system for tight lines at range
In reply to Post #24
I agree with you.
I use a (tench) rig with a tight line and a heavy bobbin close to the rod. The stretch in the mono is part of the reason why the rig works so well. With braid it's not so efficient.
I agree with you.
I use a (tench) rig with a tight line and a heavy bobbin close to the rod. The stretch in the mono is part of the reason why the rig works so well. With braid it's not so efficient.
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