Hi I missed a decent fish today fishing very tight to an island margin in front of me on a small lake (3.5acres). The delkim nitelite v2 dropped a bit but I didn't hit it and later realised I'd been done.. it swam to my feet and discharged the hook.. Which bite indicators are best for dropback indication? Any other tips in this situation? I'd just dumped a kilo of boilie using a bait boat so didn't want to be hitting liners!
In reply to Post #1
Too many lads are fishing with bobbins that are far too light, use some swingers with at least half an ounce of counterweight.
Too many lads are fishing with bobbins that are far too light, use some swingers with at least half an ounce of counterweight.
In reply to Post #1
I think any heavy-ish bobbin will register a drop-back bite, as Baitman says, too light a bobbin may not register it. I have some Cygnet bobbins with interchangeable heads, have 3 sets of heads (1) light heads for fishing slack lines/margin work (2) medium size heads for mid range/general use and (3) heavy heads for distance work/fishing up to islands/far margins.
For me the difficulty comes with sideways takes that don't always register on your alarm. It happened to me this year on a holiday venue, had one bleep with alarm on highest sensitivity, looked at the line off the rod tip and it was at about 90 degrees to where I cast it. Struck into the fish and it was over my other rod. Tip - make sure rod tips are out of the water and look at your line!!
I think any heavy-ish bobbin will register a drop-back bite, as Baitman says, too light a bobbin may not register it. I have some Cygnet bobbins with interchangeable heads, have 3 sets of heads (1) light heads for fishing slack lines/margin work (2) medium size heads for mid range/general use and (3) heavy heads for distance work/fishing up to islands/far margins.
For me the difficulty comes with sideways takes that don't always register on your alarm. It happened to me this year on a holiday venue, had one bleep with alarm on highest sensitivity, looked at the line off the rod tip and it was at about 90 degrees to where I cast it. Struck into the fish and it was over my other rod. Tip - make sure rod tips are out of the water and look at your line!!
Thanks for the replies, I think heavier is the way to go. I think I'll remove the arms so that the bobbins can actually fall to the floor. Regarding watching the line - I was using backleads so hard to see from the line what's going on exactly. I prefer using backleads generally as u don't get bleeps and don't spook them with the line. If I use a half ounce bobbin guessing I need a heavier backlead?
In reply to Post #1
Heavier bobbins and as others have said will work but i find quiver type indicators very hard to beat for drop backs
Heavier bobbins and as others have said will work but i find quiver type indicators very hard to beat for drop backs
In reply to Post #1
There's a hell of a lot of variables to consider, basic ones are –
What's the topography of the lake bed like between the Rod tip and the rig? Is fitting back leads dragging 20-30- ft of line into Weed, Snags, Bars, Rocks etc............ And dampening all Line movement/ indication down to almost zero?
What ranges? Further = more tension on the line needed, Closer = less tension as a general rule of thumb.
Or just use Startle or Running Rigs, no matter what direction a fish takes you get forward movement at the Alarm.
There's a hell of a lot of variables to consider, basic ones are –
What's the topography of the lake bed like between the Rod tip and the rig? Is fitting back leads dragging 20-30- ft of line into Weed, Snags, Bars, Rocks etc............ And dampening all Line movement/ indication down to almost zero?
What ranges? Further = more tension on the line needed, Closer = less tension as a general rule of thumb.
Or just use Startle or Running Rigs, no matter what direction a fish takes you get forward movement at the Alarm.
In reply to Post #7
Any videos of the new indicators Keith?
Any videos of the new indicators Keith?
In reply to Post #8
Not much chance of me having time to do that John, way too busy
Not much chance of me having time to do that John, way too busy
In reply to Post #9
It would be great to see how they work
It would be great to see how they work
In reply to Post #10
They are so stupidly simple, they really are child's play
They are so stupidly simple, they really are child's play
In reply to Post #11
I'm so stupidly simple too
I'm so stupidly simple too
In reply to Post #12
Honestly, it would be frightening if I thought I would have to do a video for customers to be able to understand such a simple concept 
Honestly, it would be frightening if I thought I would have to do a video for customers to be able to understand such a simple concept
In reply to Post #13
Wished you did a fluoro red head,I would be extremely tempted
Wished you did a fluoro red head,I would be extremely tempted
In reply to Post #13
It would help to get an idea of what range of movement is possible.
I like to have as much movement as possible. I don't get the current trend for really short movement like the stows.
It would help to get an idea of what range of movement is possible.
I like to have as much movement as possible. I don't get the current trend for really short movement like the stows.
In reply to Post #1
. . . MCF Rattlers . . .dunno why I sold my original boxed mk1 set (probably for the in vogue Stows at the time) . . .fantastic indicators for OCD anglers
. . . MCF Rattlers . . .dunno why I sold my original boxed mk1 set (probably for the in vogue Stows at the time) . . .fantastic indicators for OCD anglers
In reply to Post #1
I've been using fox micro swingers for years.
Awesome indication for dropbacks and standard runs.
Also fantastic for windy conditions.
Just upgraded to the new versions which are a lot smaller and sit great.
I've been using fox micro swingers for years.
Awesome indication for dropbacks and standard runs.
Also fantastic for windy conditions.
Just upgraded to the new versions which are a lot smaller and sit great.
In reply to Post #17
Original mark 2s for me. They just do the job and last forever.
Original mark 2s for me. They just do the job and last forever.
In reply to Post #15
Agree I think I want some that hit the deck on a dropback to give me a positive indication
Agree I think I want some that hit the deck on a dropback to give me a positive indication
In reply to Post #16
You can still buy the MCF Rattlers, I liked them but at the time had a couple of missed takes when the rain froze on the shaft, I now know a quick wipe of WD40 will fix that👍👍
Tel
You can still buy the MCF Rattlers, I liked them but at the time had a couple of missed takes when the rain froze on the shaft, I now know a quick wipe of WD40 will fix that👍👍
Tel
In reply to Post #16
DP
Sorry
Problem between floor and keyboard 😂😂😂
Tel
DP
Sorry
Problem between floor and keyboard 😂😂😂
Tel
In reply to Post #21
As Keith says.... Running rigs, especially with a heavy lead
As Keith says.... Running rigs, especially with a heavy lead
In reply to Post #20
Nothing worse than a frozen shaft
Nothing worse than a frozen shaft
In reply to Post #23
ND bobbins , yes I know all the ND haters will be pointing and laughing , but heavy , white , and can be fished like a Stow where it clips to the line . I had a dropback from a long way , showed up ok .
ND bobbins , yes I know all the ND haters will be pointing and laughing , but heavy , white , and can be fished like a Stow where it clips to the line . I had a dropback from a long way , showed up ok .
In reply to Post #24
They are terrible, dad have used them in the past he got rid as quick as he could
They are terrible, dad have used them in the past he got rid as quick as he could
In reply to Post #23
😂😂😂😂
A bit of a blooper 😂😂😂😂
Tel
😂😂😂😂
A bit of a blooper 😂😂😂😂
Tel
In reply to Post #25
In what way ? , boated my baits out at 140 and 155 , they worked fine , pulled out the clip and stayed on the line as it run through it 👍 . Only used them on 2 trips , even up to 190 + yds .
In what way ? , boated my baits out at 140 and 155 , they worked fine , pulled out the clip and stayed on the line as it run through it 👍 . Only used them on 2 trips , even up to 190 + yds .
In reply to Post #17
I'm with Chris 4130. Been using the micro swingers to the exclusion of all else. They are instantly adjustable to suit all distances and register a drop back with positivity. I've always fished tight lines but am plucking up the courage to try a running rig and slack lines. The weight on the swinger can be adjusted to a neutral position and I'm hoping that because of the running rig it will not need to register a drop back as any direction should result in a forward take?
I'm with Chris 4130. Been using the micro swingers to the exclusion of all else. They are instantly adjustable to suit all distances and register a drop back with positivity. I've always fished tight lines but am plucking up the courage to try a running rig and slack lines. The weight on the swinger can be adjusted to a neutral position and I'm hoping that because of the running rig it will not need to register a drop back as any direction should result in a forward take?
In reply to Post #17
I'm with Chris 4130. Been using the micro swingers to the exclusion of all else. They are instantly adjustable to suit all distances and register a drop back with positivity. I've always fished tight lines but am plucking up the courage to try a running rig and slack lines. The weight on the swinger can be adjusted to a neutral position and I'm hoping that because of the running rig it will not need to register a drop back as any direction should result in a forward take?
I'm with Chris 4130. Been using the micro swingers to the exclusion of all else. They are instantly adjustable to suit all distances and register a drop back with positivity. I've always fished tight lines but am plucking up the courage to try a running rig and slack lines. The weight on the swinger can be adjusted to a neutral position and I'm hoping that because of the running rig it will not need to register a drop back as any direction should result in a forward take?
In reply to Post #29
That is right, slack line and swinger at the bottom of it's travel, enough weight to make sure that the alarm sounds.
That is right, slack line and swinger at the bottom of it's travel, enough weight to make sure that the alarm sounds.
So assuming i'm using heavier bobbins (half ounce plus) to give me a positive dropback indication and a 4oz lead- how heavy would the backleads need to be? (the bottom of the lake is flat and weedfree)
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I think delks have a lot to do with it - i moved to fox alarms after watching a backdrop not register at all, then resetting the rod and adjusting the sensitivity so when i mimicked a back drop it sounded, only for me to sit there and watch it do the again. I just lost total confidence in them at that point.
That was a few years ago and in France this year was ribbing my mate for it on the Saturday we arrived as he had delks. On the Thursday he had the exact same issue... i saw the back drop as i walked past his rods and nothing sounded - he was using the delkim light up bobbins as well.
FWIW - i use the esp bobbins and have both types of heads and a selection of weights to adjust depending on distance i am fishing. I use gardener line clips and although still experimenting with positioning of them have found they work well to increase the sensitivity especially when fishing tight at range.
I think delks have a lot to do with it - i moved to fox alarms after watching a backdrop not register at all, then resetting the rod and adjusting the sensitivity so when i mimicked a back drop it sounded, only for me to sit there and watch it do the again. I just lost total confidence in them at that point.
That was a few years ago and in France this year was ribbing my mate for it on the Saturday we arrived as he had delks. On the Thursday he had the exact same issue... i saw the back drop as i walked past his rods and nothing sounded - he was using the delkim light up bobbins as well.
FWIW - i use the esp bobbins and have both types of heads and a selection of weights to adjust depending on distance i am fishing. I use gardener line clips and although still experimenting with positioning of them have found they work well to increase the sensitivity especially when fishing tight at range.
In reply to Post #32
I have rarely had a problem with non sounding dropbacks on Delkims, that may be down to using a 'proper' indicator that will 'pull back'.
The indicators I use are Solar Titanium's short arms, tightened right up to get a decent dropback
SolarTitanium's
I have rarely had a problem with non sounding dropbacks on Delkims, that may be down to using a 'proper' indicator that will 'pull back'.
The indicators I use are Solar Titanium's short arms, tightened right up to get a decent dropback
SolarTitanium's
In reply to Post #1
Simple, heavy ones and tight lines. I just add a couple of drag weights to matrix dinkies when I'm fish at distance or to an island, etc. when I get a drop back, they hit the deck immediately. No issues whatsoever registering drop backs on Delkims - that's user error causing that, sorry, but it is.
Simple, heavy ones and tight lines. I just add a couple of drag weights to matrix dinkies when I'm fish at distance or to an island, etc. when I get a drop back, they hit the deck immediately. No issues whatsoever registering drop backs on Delkims - that's user error causing that, sorry, but it is.
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No issues whatsoever registering drop backs on Delkims - that's user error causing that, sorry, but it is.
Exactly.
I used my previous Quiverlocs and didn't tension them up, but left them up as a swinger at long range. A fish ran around 30metres towards me with just a single beep. Not Delkims fault, mine for not switching to tensioned spring arm.
No issues whatsoever registering drop backs on Delkims - that's user error causing that, sorry, but it is.
Exactly.
I used my previous Quiverlocs and didn't tension them up, but left them up as a swinger at long range. A fish ran around 30metres towards me with just a single beep. Not Delkims fault, mine for not switching to tensioned spring arm.
for best indication fish any indicator infront of the alarm.
If set up properly you will not miss drop backs on delkims I don't care what anyone says it's user error, I use the slimlites with the small weights on them. If I get a drop back it sounds perfectly like it should, all you got to do to test it is slowly or fast pull some line backwards through the alarm and your find it works fine. I've visibly seen drop backs happen on my delks and works how it should
In reply to Post #37
Absolutely
Absolutely
In reply to Post #35
Yep, I've had Delks for years and only experienced this issue once when fishing on a river in Belgium. I had a number of drop back takes that barely registered. Once i started using tension arm indicators I had no issue at all. To be honest, in the scenario I'm describing, I was fishing with the rod tips up extremely high and wasn't using ‘tippers' or ‘angulators' which didn't help... I'm pretty sure that the line was barely touching the sensor reed which was completely my fault and not something I had considered at that point. Since that trip, with the use of ‘tippers' and tension arm indicators, I've never missed a ‘drop back'...
Yep, I've had Delks for years and only experienced this issue once when fishing on a river in Belgium. I had a number of drop back takes that barely registered. Once i started using tension arm indicators I had no issue at all. To be honest, in the scenario I'm describing, I was fishing with the rod tips up extremely high and wasn't using ‘tippers' or ‘angulators' which didn't help... I'm pretty sure that the line was barely touching the sensor reed which was completely my fault and not something I had considered at that point. Since that trip, with the use of ‘tippers' and tension arm indicators, I've never missed a ‘drop back'...
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