What are peoples recommendations for books relating to bait making.
would like to know some for all levels of bait making so for beginners to more advanced things.
ideally books on "Why" you use certain things over others and the thoughts behind them.
would like to know some for all levels of bait making so for beginners to more advanced things.
ideally books on "Why" you use certain things over others and the thoughts behind them.
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I Posted about this a few months back, there isnt a lot published, but if you read back through the original thread for the BM1 mix on here, there is a wealth of information in there.
ive got a few mixes to send over to you via facebook but will be this evening as at work.
Smurf on here is a font of knowledge and i have learnt alot from him .
But i think the main thing is with bait, trial and error. people were catching carp on paste/potatoes/50.50 mix with flavour, i think its all trial and error.
I Posted about this a few months back, there isnt a lot published, but if you read back through the original thread for the BM1 mix on here, there is a wealth of information in there.
ive got a few mixes to send over to you via facebook but will be this evening as at work.
Smurf on here is a font of knowledge and i have learnt alot from him .
But i think the main thing is with bait, trial and error. people were catching carp on paste/potatoes/50.50 mix with flavour, i think its all trial and error.
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Thanks mate. Totally agree with the wealth of information on here. Especially with Smurf and a few others as I can already see they offer great advice that seems widely respected by the vast majority of members on here.
just fancied something to read at work on break to be honest!
I've been looking at "the big carp technical" series as that has a few books that I'm interested in. wonder if anyone has read these ?
Thanks mate. Totally agree with the wealth of information on here. Especially with Smurf and a few others as I can already see they offer great advice that seems widely respected by the vast majority of members on here.
just fancied something to read at work on break to be honest!
I've been looking at "the big carp technical" series as that has a few books that I'm interested in. wonder if anyone has read these ?
In reply to Post #1
The classic Rod Hutchinson books are good if you can find them.
Mike Wilmotts "Carp Life" (the first) got a decent bait chapter.
Jason Riders new book "This time it's personal" is worth checking out.
The classic Rod Hutchinson books are good if you can find them.
Mike Wilmotts "Carp Life" (the first) got a decent bait chapter.
Jason Riders new book "This time it's personal" is worth checking out.
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Worth joining the home made bait buffs group on Facebook if you are on it. We've got a 'book' which outlines lots of the functional aspects of ingredients as well as dozens of recipes.
Worth joining the home made bait buffs group on Facebook if you are on it. We've got a 'book' which outlines lots of the functional aspects of ingredients as well as dozens of recipes.
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thanks for the recommendations ill have a look.
I actually tried to join home made bait buffs the other day as I'm going to be using the Trop-amino but I don't think they accepted my request.
do you think its worth trying again?
thanks for the recommendations ill have a look.
I actually tried to join home made bait buffs the other day as I'm going to be using the Trop-amino but I don't think they accepted my request.
do you think its worth trying again?
Home made bait buffs.
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Yes
Yes
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Just tryed again with home made bait buffs so fingers crossed.
Just tryed again with home made bait buffs so fingers crossed.
In reply to Post #9
at least 2 tim paisley books worth checking out.........look on amazon
at least 2 tim paisley books worth checking out.........look on amazon
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The guy who runs that has been on here and banned a couple of times. He's a bit of a tool
The guy who runs that has been on here and banned a couple of times. He's a bit of a tool
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Not gonna lie i just got into the group and i have to honest with just starting out and looking through the files i have access to i do think its a bit of a gold mine for someone new like myself. It seem it could be really helpfull for somebody like myself.
Btw im still adding the suggested books to my amazon list so thank you guys. I ordered the jason rider one after listening to him on a podcast
Not gonna lie i just got into the group and i have to honest with just starting out and looking through the files i have access to i do think its a bit of a gold mine for someone new like myself. It seem it could be really helpfull for somebody like myself.
Btw im still adding the suggested books to my amazon list so thank you guys. I ordered the jason rider one after listening to him on a podcast
Hi Callum,
I have 2 carp fishing books which are kind of like my personal little "carp bibles"
The Sparsholt one.......and yes it's mint
And the Beekay one by our own Mr Townley.
Hope it helps
Best
Jon
I have 2 carp fishing books which are kind of like my personal little "carp bibles"
The Sparsholt one.......and yes it's mint
And the Beekay one by our own Mr Townley.
Hope it helps
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #12
Yeah of course mate, just don't take everything everyone says as gospel, use it as guidance and make your own mind up about things. There are a lot of differing ideas when it comes to bait
Yeah of course mate, just don't take everything everyone says as gospel, use it as guidance and make your own mind up about things. There are a lot of differing ideas when it comes to bait
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I totally agree im very new to it all but have alreay been doing a fair bit of reading i just need to practice more. It can be ocerqhelming at timea so a book structure i find helps.
Thats why i want to accumulate some knowledge of good people and maybe see what direction it takes me in.... again thanks to these forums in general with the help.
Ive just ordered the beekay one off amazon btw ! Both great recommendations.
I totally agree im very new to it all but have alreay been doing a fair bit of reading i just need to practice more. It can be ocerqhelming at timea so a book structure i find helps.
Thats why i want to accumulate some knowledge of good people and maybe see what direction it takes me in.... again thanks to these forums in general with the help.
Ive just ordered the beekay one off amazon btw ! Both great recommendations.
In reply to Post #16
Ive sent you a few links VIA pm mate, one being the carp angler chronicles with dean towey.
really good listen and very informative.
Ive sent you a few links VIA pm mate, one being the carp angler chronicles with dean towey.
really good listen and very informative.
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Unfortunately there is no "modern" books for bait making at the moment or up to date if you want. All older books are good base and you can learn a lot from them but there are so many new ingreedients and procceses of making bait nowdays that some new book would be really refreshing.
Unfortunately there is no "modern" books for bait making at the moment or up to date if you want. All older books are good base and you can learn a lot from them but there are so many new ingreedients and procceses of making bait nowdays that some new book would be really refreshing.
Not many 'names' make their own bait now, it a dying art. A couple of recent books worth a read are 'Carp, Bait and 'Nutritional Recognition'' by Tim Paisley and Jason Riders new book has a few jems in it.
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You hit the nail on the head there “it is a dying art”
Mass produced bait has been going backwards. Nowadays I see baits disguised as something that was made years ago when it was done properly. Making your own bait is a fundamental part of angling and only when you have made it yourself can you spot the ones that are pretending to be something else. You do not need to be a scientist either. You need to be logical and have the ability to watch natural carp feeding up close. There is so much talk out there about what attracts carp and how this flavour will change your angling etc. The internet is full of basic recipes to get you started, you will soon learn that certain good ingredients combined with detectable amino rich liquids are deadly in boilies. A basic way to look at bait making is make sure you have digestible, soluble, protein rich elements and every ingredient must serve a purpose (adds protein, aids rolling, tastes better)
The hardest bit about it all is the costing.
Learn the basic steps, watch how a really good boilie is one of the biggest edges (especially right now in September) and you will be one step away from a new pb. I think that my recipes are the most efficient they have ever been and I made them with one eye on the past and the other on a bottle of hydrolysed fish protein!!!😉😉
You hit the nail on the head there “it is a dying art”
Mass produced bait has been going backwards. Nowadays I see baits disguised as something that was made years ago when it was done properly. Making your own bait is a fundamental part of angling and only when you have made it yourself can you spot the ones that are pretending to be something else. You do not need to be a scientist either. You need to be logical and have the ability to watch natural carp feeding up close. There is so much talk out there about what attracts carp and how this flavour will change your angling etc. The internet is full of basic recipes to get you started, you will soon learn that certain good ingredients combined with detectable amino rich liquids are deadly in boilies. A basic way to look at bait making is make sure you have digestible, soluble, protein rich elements and every ingredient must serve a purpose (adds protein, aids rolling, tastes better)
The hardest bit about it all is the costing.
Learn the basic steps, watch how a really good boilie is one of the biggest edges (especially right now in September) and you will be one step away from a new pb. I think that my recipes are the most efficient they have ever been and I made them with one eye on the past and the other on a bottle of hydrolysed fish protein!!!😉😉
In reply to Post #18
So much competition in the bait making game now.
Not much in the way of ‘modern books' giving away too many ‘trade secrets'
Loads of great ingredients and liquids to play with. We have never had it so good TBH.
As per previous posts... Sometimes you have to go old skool, take one step backwards, to take progress forwards. I'm always skimming over my own notes, or books I've got. Sometimes the penny drops when you least expect it !
You cannot fail to learn from writings from Rod hutchinson, Chris Haswell, Alan smith, Fred Wilton, Mike Willmott, premier baits, Geoff bowers, cotswold baits, geoff kemp, Nutrabaits, Ken Townley & Tim Paisley, Martin Locke, Gary Bayes.
Look, learn, read, roll, bait and watch.
Fish and enjoy your findings, good and bad.
Sometimes free advice online, like on this forum is about as good as it gets, triggering much thinking 🤔
A different angle, or mindset, which sometimes is all you need to fathom something out, that has been bugging us for ages.
Final piece or two of a 🧩 bait puzzle
So much competition in the bait making game now.
Not much in the way of ‘modern books' giving away too many ‘trade secrets'
Loads of great ingredients and liquids to play with. We have never had it so good TBH.
As per previous posts... Sometimes you have to go old skool, take one step backwards, to take progress forwards. I'm always skimming over my own notes, or books I've got. Sometimes the penny drops when you least expect it !
You cannot fail to learn from writings from Rod hutchinson, Chris Haswell, Alan smith, Fred Wilton, Mike Willmott, premier baits, Geoff bowers, cotswold baits, geoff kemp, Nutrabaits, Ken Townley & Tim Paisley, Martin Locke, Gary Bayes.
Look, learn, read, roll, bait and watch.
Fish and enjoy your findings, good and bad.
Sometimes free advice online, like on this forum is about as good as it gets, triggering much thinking 🤔
A different angle, or mindset, which sometimes is all you need to fathom something out, that has been bugging us for ages.
Final piece or two of a 🧩 bait puzzle
In reply to Post #22
Ive got me a few books off what you all recommeded guys. 12 hoir night shift tonight so plenty of time to have a look through 👍🏻
Ive got me a few books off what you all recommeded guys. 12 hoir night shift tonight so plenty of time to have a look through 👍🏻
In reply to Post #23
Whilst not strictly books, the Mark McKenna articles in carpworld were also very good.
Whilst not strictly books, the Mark McKenna articles in carpworld were also very good.
In reply to Post #24
If you can't get hold of the old carp word articles you can access them on the home made bait buffs Facebook group.
Jason Ryder has some stuff on YouTube worth a listen to.
If you can't get hold of the old carp word articles you can access them on the home made bait buffs Facebook group.
Jason Ryder has some stuff on YouTube worth a listen to.
Not really a book, but in the benelux you used to have a fishing magazine called voor en door de visser and in the 90'ies they ran a series of articles covering boilie ingredients in a very useful format. Since then everybody uses this extensive list, here is one example: http://www.karpervissersonline.nl/2009/09/14/boilie-ingredienten/
If you run it through a translation service you will have a very good overview, albeit that not all modern ingredients are listed. But all in all, you get the nutritional value, inclusion rates, does it roll well, bind well and the instant response. It gave me something to refer too when bait making really started.
If you run it through a translation service you will have a very good overview, albeit that not all modern ingredients are listed. But all in all, you get the nutritional value, inclusion rates, does it roll well, bind well and the instant response. It gave me something to refer too when bait making really started.
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