Anyone know if bait screws can be used with cork ball pop ups, or are we still tying them on?
I use a bait screw with mine
In reply to Post #1
Baits screws are fine
Baits screws are fine
In reply to Post #1
For corkballs tie them on.... if you screw one on and crack off for any reason your leaving a live rig in the water.
I do use screws but for pop ups and wafters only
For corkballs tie them on.... if you screw one on and crack off for any reason your leaving a live rig in the water.
I do use screws but for pop ups and wafters only
In reply to Post #4
I'm confused.com by that statement if you tie it on and crackoff is it not a live rig anymore?
I'm confused.com by that statement if you tie it on and crackoff is it not a live rig anymore?
In reply to Post #1
Depending how well they are rolled bait screws are fine for corkballs. Only issue I've found is leaving them out for more than 24 hours isn't really doable, where as when tying them on you don't have to worry.
Depending how well they are rolled bait screws are fine for corkballs. Only issue I've found is leaving them out for more than 24 hours isn't really doable, where as when tying them on you don't have to worry.
In reply to Post #5
I'm more confused by the fact that it's only cork balls that are live after being cracked off. Pop ups and wafters aren't live if they are cracked off?
I'm more confused by the fact that it's only cork balls that are live after being cracked off. Pop ups and wafters aren't live if they are cracked off?
In reply to Post #4
That makes no sense at all
That makes no sense at all
I have two types of bait screws, the small metal ones and the plastic cork screw type which are thicker. Do you guys use the metal type I guess?
In reply to Post #9
Yes.
Yes.
In reply to Post #9
Very small metal ones. Cant remember what make tho.
Very small metal ones. Cant remember what make tho.
In reply to Post #4
I think he is referring to leaving something non-biodegradable (over a realistic time period) attached to a rig, i.e. the actual corkball itself. If tied on the paste would swell/ be pecked off/ disintegrate over time and the hookbait would float out of the floss loop, leaving a bare rig. By using a screw the corkball itself would remain on the rig even after the paste has gone. Quite how attractive would be is another question.
I think he is referring to leaving something non-biodegradable (over a realistic time period) attached to a rig, i.e. the actual corkball itself. If tied on the paste would swell/ be pecked off/ disintegrate over time and the hookbait would float out of the floss loop, leaving a bare rig. By using a screw the corkball itself would remain on the rig even after the paste has gone. Quite how attractive would be is another question.
In reply to Post #12
I see that, but pop ups and wafters would still remain too. Might end up being pulled off by birds at some point but if not then how long before an airball pop up biodegrades off a bait screw?
Btw I never use screws, I'm just curious to the logic.
I see that, but pop ups and wafters would still remain too. Might end up being pulled off by birds at some point but if not then how long before an airball pop up biodegrades off a bait screw?
Btw I never use screws, I'm just curious to the logic.
In reply to Post #13
They would remain mate but probably not for as long. I'm not sure, just hypothesizing as to the comment. I dont and unlikely will use screws anyway
They would remain mate but probably not for as long. I'm not sure, just hypothesizing as to the comment. I dont and unlikely will use screws anyway
In reply to Post #12
The screw would rust away
The cork ball would float into the margins anyway and that's wood.
Think of half the other inedible crap in the margins of lakes
The screw would rust away
The cork ball would float into the margins anyway and that's wood.
Think of half the other inedible crap in the margins of lakes
In reply to Post #4
Surely the same if you tie them on?
Surely the same if you tie them on?
To reply to OP metal screws are fine with corkball pop ups I have confidence to leave my home made jobbies out for 24 hours without issues.
Michael
Michael
I'm curious as to what people's issue is with them coming off with regards to it being non bio degradable, I can't remember which Korda podcast it was may have been Aaron copp but he spoke about a mate who tested boilies and other items in a tank with carp. Carps way of feeding is very different their mouths are incredibly sensitive, anything that isn't food, be that a hook, plastic sweet corn, cork balls is almost always ejected because their sensory organs and nerve endings in the mouth are telling them it isn't food
In reply to Post #18
The point people are making is that if you snag up/crack off and leave the rig in the water then with anything artificial the rig will still be fishing for a long time, giving the fish ample time to pick up/eject/get hooked/get tethered/die a slow and painful death.
The reality is that as well as plastic, which many take an exception to, lots of our hookbaits will take a long time to degrade enough so as not to be fishing. A cork ball that was smeared in paste spiked on steel will be there for ages. The comment that the screw will eventually rust away and therefore safe is daft.
I would be very interested to see a test as to how long some of the ultra buoyant pop ups such as Proper jobs, the Blake's power lifters etc stay intact on a bait screw for. My suspicion is a very long time.
People will draw the line where it suits there fishing and the debate will be endless, but I very rarely use a bait that would be there any longer than 48 hours.
The point people are making is that if you snag up/crack off and leave the rig in the water then with anything artificial the rig will still be fishing for a long time, giving the fish ample time to pick up/eject/get hooked/get tethered/die a slow and painful death.
The reality is that as well as plastic, which many take an exception to, lots of our hookbaits will take a long time to degrade enough so as not to be fishing. A cork ball that was smeared in paste spiked on steel will be there for ages. The comment that the screw will eventually rust away and therefore safe is daft.
I would be very interested to see a test as to how long some of the ultra buoyant pop ups such as Proper jobs, the Blake's power lifters etc stay intact on a bait screw for. My suspicion is a very long time.
People will draw the line where it suits there fishing and the debate will be endless, but I very rarely use a bait that would be there any longer than 48 hours.
In reply to Post #19
I can partly answer that as I make my own and am starting a buisness making pop ups, both mixes that I have used I have had the one pop up from each on a Ronnie hook section with weight and bright screw and both have been in a jar now for 4 months not popped up anymore but obviously still there and haven't broken down yet, they are very soft but still whole
I can partly answer that as I make my own and am starting a buisness making pop ups, both mixes that I have used I have had the one pop up from each on a Ronnie hook section with weight and bright screw and both have been in a jar now for 4 months not popped up anymore but obviously still there and haven't broken down yet, they are very soft but still whole
In reply to Post #20
Which I guess proves that if you are of the opinion that plastic baits are fish killers and should be banned, then cork ball pop ups on bait screws should come under the same umbrella.
But..people will make excuses to the contrary because they like using them or have a vested interested in their sales.
Which I guess proves that if you are of the opinion that plastic baits are fish killers and should be banned, then cork ball pop ups on bait screws should come under the same umbrella.
But..people will make excuses to the contrary because they like using them or have a vested interested in their sales.
In reply to Post #20
Doesn't really have any relevance in a real life situation though. Water pressure and movement, other aquatic life pecking away etc will make a big difference. The comparison to plastic baits doesn't make sense either, the plastic bait will still be the same 10 years down the line whereas the corkball will soften and break up in no time at all in comparison
Doesn't really have any relevance in a real life situation though. Water pressure and movement, other aquatic life pecking away etc will make a big difference. The comparison to plastic baits doesn't make sense either, the plastic bait will still be the same 10 years down the line whereas the corkball will soften and break up in no time at all in comparison
In reply to Post #22
How long do you think a cork ball would take to break down? I've no idea but certainly a lot longer than a few days.
I should add that I don't have strong opinions on this really. Just making the point that a cork ball on a metal screw could very well be interpreted as an artificial bait, but a lot of people who get emotional about plastic corn will use a corkball pop up without question.
How long do you think a cork ball would take to break down? I've no idea but certainly a lot longer than a few days.
I should add that I don't have strong opinions on this really. Just making the point that a cork ball on a metal screw could very well be interpreted as an artificial bait, but a lot of people who get emotional about plastic corn will use a corkball pop up without question.
In reply to Post #23
A good while yes. But with small fish and any other little critters messing with it then I'd be surprised if the bait screw was attached to the cork for more than a few days . I get what you are saying but it really is no comparison. Plastic will last exponentially whereas cork doesn't.
A good while yes. But with small fish and any other little critters messing with it then I'd be surprised if the bait screw was attached to the cork for more than a few days . I get what you are saying but it really is no comparison. Plastic will last exponentially whereas cork doesn't.
In reply to Post #22
No mate I totally agree but he asked so I had a partial answer that with no interference even a normal pop up on a rig will take a long time to break down as I said earlier in the post carp will not ingest them at all yes they may pick the rig up but if we are worried about leaving tackle in fish we shouldn't fish full stop as unless your using purely a hook tied directly to the mainline if you get cut off playing it etc all tackle has the potential to cause harm don't even get me started on leaders and the fuss people make of that
No mate I totally agree but he asked so I had a partial answer that with no interference even a normal pop up on a rig will take a long time to break down as I said earlier in the post carp will not ingest them at all yes they may pick the rig up but if we are worried about leaving tackle in fish we shouldn't fish full stop as unless your using purely a hook tied directly to the mainline if you get cut off playing it etc all tackle has the potential to cause harm don't even get me started on leaders and the fuss people make of that
In reply to Post #4
Codswallop
Codswallop
In reply to Post #12
That was what I was getting at - you spike the actual piece of cork with and screw and crack off and it will stay live. Where as if you tie it on the paste would eventually blow and come away after a few days and cork ball would float free leaving the rig.
I totally get it can be done and they will hold them for as long as you need them but why would you do that rather then be safer and tie a knot?
Sorry been away doing some actual fishing
That was what I was getting at - you spike the actual piece of cork with and screw and crack off and it will stay live. Where as if you tie it on the paste would eventually blow and come away after a few days and cork ball would float free leaving the rig.
I totally get it can be done and they will hold them for as long as you need them but why would you do that rather then be safer and tie a knot?
Sorry been away doing some actual fishing
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