Hi all,
I listened to the Xmas pod cast by Nash today and Kevin commented that logic tells you the Umbrella is dead. Just wondered if you feel that's on the books?
Yes we have the Hides and Biv's but still feel there's room for the umbrella systems...
I listened to the Xmas pod cast by Nash today and Kevin commented that logic tells you the Umbrella is dead. Just wondered if you feel that's on the books?
Yes we have the Hides and Biv's but still feel there's room for the umbrella systems...
In reply to Post #1
Having both the mhr wychwood brolly and the tempest air, I can't see me ever using the wychwood again.
The tempest is too easy to use and offers better protection.
Having both the mhr wychwood brolly and the tempest air, I can't see me ever using the wychwood again.
The tempest is too easy to use and offers better protection.
I'd say so, yes..The Tempest and Hide are so easy to put up. Put a few poles together and there up and standing.No faffing around trying to screw and push in storm poles.
Saying that there is just something about an umbrella that is so just carp fishing they will always have there diehard fans. If I was ever to go back to an umbrella it would have to be something like the ESP Lo Pro which is the only real free standing umbrella out there.
Saying that there is just something about an umbrella that is so just carp fishing they will always have there diehard fans. If I was ever to go back to an umbrella it would have to be something like the ESP Lo Pro which is the only real free standing umbrella out there.
I still like a small light brolly for a day session. Just required to keep the wind off your back and the rain off your head. Small enough to squeeze a chair and luggage under with a bit of space to make a brew. I'd much rather take my fast n light copy for a day session than my tempest.
In reply to Post #1
My new Wychwood Tactical 55" brolly is the absolute perfection for my type of river fishing with the zip on front costing under £30
certainly not pull your pants down takin the piss prices
My new Wychwood Tactical 55" brolly is the absolute perfection for my type of river fishing with the zip on front costing under £30
certainly not pull your pants down takin the piss prices
In reply to Post #1
Until someone makes a full open fronted, 50" central block system, an atom sized hide etc, then a brolley will remain my shelter of choice.
Until someone makes a full open fronted, 50" central block system, an atom sized hide etc, then a brolley will remain my shelter of choice.
A 45" normal brolly when barbel fishing (non sleeping).
a small korum compact brolly with sides for summer/autumn overnights.
a fox evo bivvy (no wrap) as my main bivvy, but still versatile with fully open front, sides or door down.
a small korum compact brolly with sides for summer/autumn overnights.
a fox evo bivvy (no wrap) as my main bivvy, but still versatile with fully open front, sides or door down.
In reply to Post #1
Brollys a lot easier too stand up in the garage and let dry.
Brollys a lot easier too stand up in the garage and let dry.
In reply to Post #1
Personally, I've just moved over from a pram hood style shelter to a 55" brolly system. I don't know why I didn't do it sooner, its faster to put up, lighter and I have far more options for fronts etc.
Personally, I've just moved over from a pram hood style shelter to a 55" brolly system. I don't know why I didn't do it sooner, its faster to put up, lighter and I have far more options for fronts etc.
In reply to Post #9
have 2 and use them in 80% I would say, probably 100% when fishing alone.
have 2 and use them in 80% I would say, probably 100% when fishing alone.
nashy should bring out an updated oval brolly and canvas overwrap, would sell shed loads.
In reply to Post #11
proper heavy duty wraps would be nice.
they couldnt sell you in another one in 18 months time....
proper heavy duty wraps would be nice.
they couldnt sell you in another one in 18 months time....
I recall Nash saying the brolly was dead before, didn't stop him relaunching various ranges of Hog,GroundHog,Profile,H-gun,Scope, oval brollies since his original statement?
The problem with Nash (& a few other manufacturers) is this “Emperors new clothes” idea telling the buying public what they should be using?
Yes, the Tempest/Hide are great shelters but I think there will always be a market for the humble brolly for day trips/short sessions, in my opinion.
It annoys me, on the odd occasion on a day trip,that I set up my ancient A-lite for a bit more cover or my daughter comes with me, when people ask if I'm doing the night? Never get that with a brolly..
The problem with Nash (& a few other manufacturers) is this “Emperors new clothes” idea telling the buying public what they should be using?
Yes, the Tempest/Hide are great shelters but I think there will always be a market for the humble brolly for day trips/short sessions, in my opinion.
It annoys me, on the odd occasion on a day trip,that I set up my ancient A-lite for a bit more cover or my daughter comes with me, when people ask if I'm doing the night? Never get that with a brolly..
Manufacturers will always tell you what you think you need. Without stating the obvious. Much to personal
preference at the end of the day. Many anglers have a few shelters to cover all bases. I hate stuff being discontinued as spares is always hard to come by. Be nice if all manufacturers agreed to produce one or two shelters and kept it like that. With replacement groundsheet etc available if needed couple of seasons later.
preference at the end of the day. Many anglers have a few shelters to cover all bases. I hate stuff being discontinued as spares is always hard to come by. Be nice if all manufacturers agreed to produce one or two shelters and kept it like that. With replacement groundsheet etc available if needed couple of seasons later.
In reply to Post #1
This season I have gone back to an umbrella system. I prefer the size and profile of them, and now I have somewhere I can put the wireless and get a decent signal
This season I have gone back to an umbrella system. I prefer the size and profile of them, and now I have somewhere I can put the wireless and get a decent signal
I've gone back to brolly systems again after using dome style bivvies.
I can use a brolly for days or single nights, or with an overwrap for wet nights, longer sessions.
After using RH Apotheosis, Fox Easydomes, and Roamer Domes, which I did like, I found the brolly was more versatile and to be honest just as easy with as much space inside.
I can use a brolly for days or single nights, or with an overwrap for wet nights, longer sessions.
After using RH Apotheosis, Fox Easydomes, and Roamer Domes, which I did like, I found the brolly was more versatile and to be honest just as easy with as much space inside.
In reply to Post #16
Blimey nick. You've missed out about 20 years of bivvy development. You done some porridge?
Blimey nick. You've missed out about 20 years of bivvy development. You done some porridge?
I find the alternatives too big and heavy for day sessions, and still find the tempest brolly type shelters restrict the view too much. I think a brolly system will suit me better
I use a Groundhog brolly most of the time and it does me fine, when it goes a V2 brolly is the replacement. Mates have the V1 and it is so easy to erect and space aplenty.
In reply to Post #17
Nope, I didn't like Pramhood bivvies, didn't even go near one after checking the weight and awkwardness of carrying in a tackle shop.
For years on the reservoirs I have needed lightness, a bivvy that packs away into a small bag or will fit into my rod holdall. An umbrella, Roamer Dome or Nash Outlaw Hurricane fitted the bill, as gates, stiles and ditches didn't allow for a barrow.
Nope, I didn't like Pramhood bivvies, didn't even go near one after checking the weight and awkwardness of carrying in a tackle shop.
For years on the reservoirs I have needed lightness, a bivvy that packs away into a small bag or will fit into my rod holdall. An umbrella, Roamer Dome or Nash Outlaw Hurricane fitted the bill, as gates, stiles and ditches didn't allow for a barrow.
In reply to Post #11
Couldn't agree more Rich. Nought warmer than canvas in the winter. It's far to heavy people say.. What these younger anglers dont realise is we had to carry this on our back. Barrows weren't even a thing. A Canvas over wrap on something like the Tempest or hide would sell.
Couldn't agree more Rich. Nought warmer than canvas in the winter. It's far to heavy people say.. What these younger anglers dont realise is we had to carry this on our back. Barrows weren't even a thing. A Canvas over wrap on something like the Tempest or hide would sell.
In reply to Post #21
I remember Kevin Nash saying PVA was obsolete as the carp had sussed it !
He however had just released the perfect answer in a sort of dissolving polo mint you threaded on the line !
That must have been 15 plus years ago and we all still use PVA .
I remember Kevin Nash saying PVA was obsolete as the carp had sussed it !
He however had just released the perfect answer in a sort of dissolving polo mint you threaded on the line !
That must have been 15 plus years ago and we all still use PVA .
In reply to Post #22
My mate had the kn canvas overwrap it was very heavy when wet I had the brolly tent £19.99 felt like 1 oz nylon throw it over a cheep nylon brolly with the pole in the centre put my Argos click click bed with two covers on with foam in middle one side of pole then moved on to the kn nylon overwrap those where the days I don't think the brolly is dead still very good for short sessions
My mate had the kn canvas overwrap it was very heavy when wet I had the brolly tent £19.99 felt like 1 oz nylon throw it over a cheep nylon brolly with the pole in the centre put my Argos click click bed with two covers on with foam in middle one side of pole then moved on to the kn nylon overwrap those where the days I don't think the brolly is dead still very good for short sessions
In reply to Post #1
I still use a brolly for day sessions to keep the rain off or the wind out. I take out the centre pole and have two storm poles on each spoke - loads of room for gear, me and my low chair. They're easy to cart around (no barrow, just a sling) and pack away. I hate sitting in shelters like some demented dwarf. As soon as the rain stops, I collapse the brolly and put it away. People take way too much gear these days - brollies are perfect for keeping things simple, allowing me to move swims and stay dry when I need to. Watching people setting up shelters and then sitting in them all day long for just a day session... glorified camping? You decide. The brollie is far from dead IMO.
I still use a brolly for day sessions to keep the rain off or the wind out. I take out the centre pole and have two storm poles on each spoke - loads of room for gear, me and my low chair. They're easy to cart around (no barrow, just a sling) and pack away. I hate sitting in shelters like some demented dwarf. As soon as the rain stops, I collapse the brolly and put it away. People take way too much gear these days - brollies are perfect for keeping things simple, allowing me to move swims and stay dry when I need to. Watching people setting up shelters and then sitting in them all day long for just a day session... glorified camping? You decide. The brollie is far from dead IMO.
Done over a 1000 nights under various ovals. 50's, 55's and 60's without fronts.
Been using a tempest for the last 3 years and not looked back.
Been using a tempest for the last 3 years and not looked back.
In reply to Post #24
Two storm poles on each spoke, my brolly has seven spokes, buggered if I'm lugging fourteen storm poles on top of my day session kit.
Two storm poles on each spoke, my brolly has seven spokes, buggered if I'm lugging fourteen storm poles on top of my day session kit.
In reply to Post #20
fair enough mate. didn't like pramhoods either myself. more about my knees than the weight though.
fair enough mate. didn't like pramhoods either myself. more about my knees than the weight though.
In reply to Post #21
its the smell I miss of canvas. now thats carpy.
its the smell I miss of canvas. now thats carpy.
In reply to Post #11
I have a Hog and one of the last KN Canvas, powerplus professional and a Titan T1 Camo and Over wrap.
I'd never get rid of the first as I use the Hog for 90% of my fishing the other two are a waste of several days drying them out, nice to use for a few days and all that. Was thinking just today that I may sell them both.
Just hope the oval style brolly is still available when my Hog does one day.
I have a Hog and one of the last KN Canvas, powerplus professional and a Titan T1 Camo and Over wrap.
I'd never get rid of the first as I use the Hog for 90% of my fishing the other two are a waste of several days drying them out, nice to use for a few days and all that. Was thinking just today that I may sell them both.
Just hope the oval style brolly is still available when my Hog does one day.
In reply to Post #28
Mildew
Mildew
In reply to Post #17
Why what's actually developed the price has tripled.
Why what's actually developed the price has tripled.
In reply to Post #23
If only he used mesowax my brolly and canvas is light weight my powerplus is heavier and the Titan T1 and Canopy are the heaviest and the most expensive.
If only he used mesowax my brolly and canvas is light weight my powerplus is heavier and the Titan T1 and Canopy are the heaviest and the most expensive.
In reply to Post #8
Very true a brolly is very easily maintained.
Very true a brolly is very easily maintained.
In reply to Post #1
Definitely not. I'm still using my 60 inch Angling Intelligence Traditional Brolly bought in 2011. It might be of the past, but 10 years on and it's still very much in the present too. 5 minutes to setup. Out of the bag, open it up, thumbscrew to lock it open, 4 poles, throw in the ground sheet if you need to job done. I know there's more modern gear about nowadays but it's been absolutely brilliant.
Definitely not. I'm still using my 60 inch Angling Intelligence Traditional Brolly bought in 2011. It might be of the past, but 10 years on and it's still very much in the present too. 5 minutes to setup. Out of the bag, open it up, thumbscrew to lock it open, 4 poles, throw in the ground sheet if you need to job done. I know there's more modern gear about nowadays but it's been absolutely brilliant.
The mighty brolly is not dead.
This past summer and autumn i've used a 20+ year old JRC oval brolly, fits in my rod bag and goes up in seconds.
Once the weather got wetter and colder (latter part of November) I bought a new JRC extreme brolly system, as with its zip on/off front and ground sheet it offers much better protection from the elements.
The new one is a bit more faff to put up but worth it when its pissing down and only a few degrees outside.
Once the warmer weather comes around i'll be back under just a brolly, but probably just the main brolly of the JRC extreme, as it offers better head room than the old oval, which is essential to those of us with back problems and cant sit hunched up under the older style brolly with their more intrusive spoke systems.
The only adaptation I intend to make to the new brolly is to remove the magnetic attachments for the two front storm poles and go back to the screw on ones, as my old storm poles also screw into the ground and are more stable.
This past summer and autumn i've used a 20+ year old JRC oval brolly, fits in my rod bag and goes up in seconds.
Once the weather got wetter and colder (latter part of November) I bought a new JRC extreme brolly system, as with its zip on/off front and ground sheet it offers much better protection from the elements.
The new one is a bit more faff to put up but worth it when its pissing down and only a few degrees outside.
Once the warmer weather comes around i'll be back under just a brolly, but probably just the main brolly of the JRC extreme, as it offers better head room than the old oval, which is essential to those of us with back problems and cant sit hunched up under the older style brolly with their more intrusive spoke systems.
The only adaptation I intend to make to the new brolly is to remove the magnetic attachments for the two front storm poles and go back to the screw on ones, as my old storm poles also screw into the ground and are more stable.
Think brollys are a bit marmite these days....So much choice unlike before. Die hards will opt for the ease of erection/simplicity whereas others feel systems like the V2 etc provide more coverage with less hassle faster....
I have both ,taking the brolly with me on days only and the V2 on nights where I can fit infil or mozzi mesh if im being a wuss
I have both ,taking the brolly with me on days only and the V2 on nights where I can fit infil or mozzi mesh if im being a wuss
I use a jrc brolly for work. I keep it in the van and it's saved me getting a soaking on many many occasions. That £100 brolly has saved me missing out on £1000s over the years I've had it. Nothing worse than turning up for a job and being rained off.
Use my jrc all year round 
if you got good sleeping bag you can fish with front open ..
if you got good sleeping bag you can fish with front open ..
In reply to Post #37
Hi mate thinking outside the box very useful 👍
Hi mate thinking outside the box very useful 👍
I use an ESP LoPro system 90% of the season. 👍
Only for long(er) sessions (3 nights +) in cold weather i'll use my Tempest.
Only for long(er) sessions (3 nights +) in cold weather i'll use my Tempest.
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