I'm really enjoying rolling/catching on my own bait.
but id like to understand WHY the fish respond to my bait, or how they would react to different ingredients.
is there any information readily available to read/learn about bait in carp fishing?
but id like to understand WHY the fish respond to my bait, or how they would react to different ingredients.
is there any information readily available to read/learn about bait in carp fishing?
In reply to Post #1
Tim Paisley's book on nutritional recognition would be a good starting point.
Tim Paisley's book on nutritional recognition would be a good starting point.
In reply to Post #1
Carp Strikes Back by God.
Mike Wilmotts first book (not the second...)
Carp Strikes Back by God.
Mike Wilmotts first book (not the second...)
In reply to Post #3
Good bait chapter in Mike Willmotts second book.
Good bait chapter in Mike Willmotts second book.
In reply to Post #1
Have a historical peak into the biggest game changer in bait in the late 80's & early 90's.
Fishmeals/CLO/Milk proteins & fish oils.
If you can found one, the premier baits catalogue 1990-91 or the following year comic's 1991-92.
Full of useful information.
Have a historical peak into the biggest game changer in bait in the late 80's & early 90's.
Fishmeals/CLO/Milk proteins & fish oils.
If you can found one, the premier baits catalogue 1990-91 or the following year comic's 1991-92.
Full of useful information.
In reply to Post #4
I found the bit in the second book read like a catalogue for his own products, and the writing style for the whole book was a bit smug in places.
And yes, of course, the Premier stuff. Geoff wrote a cracking piece in one of the Subsurface journals.
I found the bit in the second book read like a catalogue for his own products, and the writing style for the whole book was a bit smug in places.
And yes, of course, the Premier stuff. Geoff wrote a cracking piece in one of the Subsurface journals.
In reply to Post #6
I was also disappointed with MW's 2nd book.
The first is an excellent introduction to the basics of bait. Not too heavy. Easy reading with loads of info. Probs the best bait chapter for your 'average' carp angler I can think of.
I was also disappointed with MW's 2nd book.
The first is an excellent introduction to the basics of bait. Not too heavy. Easy reading with loads of info. Probs the best bait chapter for your 'average' carp angler I can think of.
In reply to Post #7
Likewise my thoughts exactly, the first MW book the bait chapters was brilliant, felt the second book bait chapter wasn't a touch on his first.
Read the mere chapter and sold it.
Likewise my thoughts exactly, the first MW book the bait chapters was brilliant, felt the second book bait chapter wasn't a touch on his first.
Read the mere chapter and sold it.
In reply to Post #1
Another good one, in layman's terms is The Beekay guide to Carp Baits, by Ken Townley.
Plenty of information in there.
Edit: about £10
Another good one, in layman's terms is The Beekay guide to Carp Baits, by Ken Townley.
Plenty of information in there.
Edit: about £10
In reply to Post #9
will add these to the Christmas list off the missus.
cheers gents.
will add these to the Christmas list off the missus.
cheers gents.
As others have said MW first book.
This is also worth a read linky but to me is a little short and some of the chapters ask good questions but don't really give any answers just, by the authors own admission, a hypothesis that is yet to be tested or proven.
A few other older books about still but the information can seem a little dated on what we have learnt since they were first published.
Not a massive market for a bait book these days as most just buy ready-made.
Edit to add that this blog is worth a read in the dark winter evenings linky
This is also worth a read linky but to me is a little short and some of the chapters ask good questions but don't really give any answers just, by the authors own admission, a hypothesis that is yet to be tested or proven.
A few other older books about still but the information can seem a little dated on what we have learnt since they were first published.
Not a massive market for a bait book these days as most just buy ready-made.
Edit to add that this blog is worth a read in the dark winter evenings linky
Beekay guide to Carp fishing by Rob Maylin has a decent section in it, bit old now.
Bough TP new book, specifically about carp baits!
Not had time to read it yet, will this winter
Biggest tip for anybody from me, learn about your quarry first, chemoreception and nutritional needs, all out there on the net. Once you know the profiles you can tailor bait ingredients around that. Most baits sites have decent data sheets on their products, failing that, suppliers, add calculator, job done
Bough TP new book, specifically about carp baits!
Not had time to read it yet, will this winter
Biggest tip for anybody from me, learn about your quarry first, chemoreception and nutritional needs, all out there on the net. Once you know the profiles you can tailor bait ingredients around that. Most baits sites have decent data sheets on their products, failing that, suppliers, add calculator, job done
In reply to Post #11
Not a massive market for a bait book these days as most just buy ready-made.
I think that is such a shame, lack of home bait rolling interest by many. There is some great knowledgeable bait buffs on here, and information freely given on here is appreciated
Not sure 🤔 if it is a case of...
1, ‘ I can't be bothered'
2, or they are more money rich / time poor,
3, Clever marketing makes people believe that their baits are superior,
4, Many don't believe that a home made Bait costing 50% or 60% less than RRP will catch as well as the big brands.
5,With bulk buying and a regular bit of time set aside to make Bait over the coarse of a year the cost saving can be well worth the effort.
It is a big buzz when you catch on a bait you have made yourself, very satisfying.
Not a massive market for a bait book these days as most just buy ready-made.
I think that is such a shame, lack of home bait rolling interest by many. There is some great knowledgeable bait buffs on here, and information freely given on here is appreciated
Not sure 🤔 if it is a case of...
1, ‘ I can't be bothered'
2, or they are more money rich / time poor,
3, Clever marketing makes people believe that their baits are superior,
4, Many don't believe that a home made Bait costing 50% or 60% less than RRP will catch as well as the big brands.
5,With bulk buying and a regular bit of time set aside to make Bait over the coarse of a year the cost saving can be well worth the effort.
It is a big buzz when you catch on a bait you have made yourself, very satisfying.
In reply to Post #13
felt like id beat my Pb last week when I had 5 fish on my own bait and wafters .
granted its not the hardest water, but carp are carp!
felt like id beat my Pb last week when I had 5 fish on my own bait and wafters .
granted its not the hardest water, but carp are carp!
In reply to Post #13
It's a labour of love imo scaley. If you consider your time to be of any value then making it yourself is no cheaper than buying readymade in bulk imo. And lets face it, most decent readymades catch lots of fish when used effectively.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to make my own, but my time is too valuable. It's spent at work, with the family, and if there's any left over - fishing. I'd need to save far, far more than 40/50% by making my own for me to change that.
It's a labour of love imo scaley. If you consider your time to be of any value then making it yourself is no cheaper than buying readymade in bulk imo. And lets face it, most decent readymades catch lots of fish when used effectively.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to make my own, but my time is too valuable. It's spent at work, with the family, and if there's any left over - fishing. I'd need to save far, far more than 40/50% by making my own for me to change that.
In reply to Post #13
Used to do it but it was hard work, I didn't enjoy it much and the missus used to moan like feck
It was good when you caught on it though
Used to do it but it was hard work, I didn't enjoy it much and the missus used to moan like feck
It was good when you caught on it though
In reply to Post #15
Similar to me.
I use a mixture of bought baits and homemade. Hook baits, always home made. I HATE making bait nowadays
When I do make bait it is expensive mainly lower than what I would call bulk levels so don't take advantage of the savings and due to high levels of attractors I use
Similar to me.
I use a mixture of bought baits and homemade. Hook baits, always home made. I HATE making bait nowadays
When I do make bait it is expensive mainly lower than what I would call bulk levels so don't take advantage of the savings and due to high levels of attractors I use
In reply to Post #15
Totally understand that Yonny
Since all this covid started, haven't got much money spare, or freezer space to take advantage of bulk buying if I wanted to.
I have a small amount of freezer space, so make little and often, which suits me currently. Not using loads of bait.
It is a labour of love, bait rolling.
Totally understand that Yonny
Since all this covid started, haven't got much money spare, or freezer space to take advantage of bulk buying if I wanted to.
I have a small amount of freezer space, so make little and often, which suits me currently. Not using loads of bait.
It is a labour of love, bait rolling.
In reply to Post #15
All the interest is in the development for me, once I had a mix that worked it became a chore to make it. Its only the fact I'll have more time on my hands over winter, need less bait and have an interesting idea that I'm doing a bit this year.
It has to be a hobby in its own right imo
Dave Moore has written some really interesting articles over the years, has he done a book or chapters in a book?
All the interest is in the development for me, once I had a mix that worked it became a chore to make it. Its only the fact I'll have more time on my hands over winter, need less bait and have an interesting idea that I'm doing a bit this year.
It has to be a hobby in its own right imo
Dave Moore has written some really interesting articles over the years, has he done a book or chapters in a book?
Not everything that is known has appeared in a book or magazine. There are private individuals out there, not interested in making a fast buck, who keep things close to their chest and know far, far more than is ever written by ‘bait experts' or discussed on places like this.
In reply to Post #20
That is so true.
We probably all know at least one friend, or friend of a friend who is in that category.
Bait knowledge, gained by years of experience, a keen interest in the subject, a fluke occurrence whilst experimenting and accurate notes, leads to a break through, eureka moment.
That is so true.
We probably all know at least one friend, or friend of a friend who is in that category.
Bait knowledge, gained by years of experience, a keen interest in the subject, a fluke occurrence whilst experimenting and accurate notes, leads to a break through, eureka moment.
In reply to Post #15
I'm quite lucky really.
I finish work at 2pm (granted I start at 5am) and the missus works til 6-7pm so ive got time for rolling my bait without the moaning about the smell of fish hydro and fishmeals
and I really enjoy it. its fishing related so I'll happily roll a few kilos and get the kitchen sorted before she gets back.
I do agree with the whole value of time, but in my situation its make use of that afternoon by rolling bait or ill just be sitting there watching TV so bait is a winner. I sell a few kg on the side to a few mates as well so at the moment its paying for itself
I'm quite lucky really.
I finish work at 2pm (granted I start at 5am) and the missus works til 6-7pm so ive got time for rolling my bait without the moaning about the smell of fish hydro and fishmeals
and I really enjoy it. its fishing related so I'll happily roll a few kilos and get the kitchen sorted before she gets back.
I do agree with the whole value of time, but in my situation its make use of that afternoon by rolling bait or ill just be sitting there watching TV so bait is a winner. I sell a few kg on the side to a few mates as well so at the moment its paying for itself
In reply to Post #1
Rod Hutchinson - The Carp Strikes Back / Thoughts on Bait / Guide to Carp Baits
Mark Wilmott - Carp Life
Frank Warwick - Every Bit of Blue
Ken Townley - The Beekay Guide to Carp Baits
Luc de Baets - De Dunne Lijn (in Dutch/Belgian, regretfully)
Carp Baits Uncovered (various authors)
Carp Bait: Food for Thought
Especially reccommend Warwick's book. Understandable, up-to-date and innovative.
Rod Hutchinson - The Carp Strikes Back / Thoughts on Bait / Guide to Carp Baits
Mark Wilmott - Carp Life
Frank Warwick - Every Bit of Blue
Ken Townley - The Beekay Guide to Carp Baits
Luc de Baets - De Dunne Lijn (in Dutch/Belgian, regretfully)
Carp Baits Uncovered (various authors)
Carp Bait: Food for Thought
Especially reccommend Warwick's book. Understandable, up-to-date and innovative.
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