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Camera and lens options (53 posts / 3,675 views)
Mitts Mitts
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Post #1 9 Aug 2020 21:46
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Evening gents,

I'm in the market for a new Camera, well probably second hand ton be fair. I'm looking to get the best camera and lens for self takes with a budget of £500 hence the second hand bit, ideally if I could spend £300 that would be better but I'm happy to go higher if features dictate.

I'm not new to DSLR's however I have been using a bridge camera in recent years for ease/weight and the flip round screen.

I understand the use of ISO and Apature but I am no pro.

Feature wise I am looking for a good all rounder, I'm not planning on using it with any Macro lens, it's purely self takes, takes for others and the odd sunrise picture.

I have previously used a 35-50mm lens with good results and having a flip round screen is really a must for me.

What are you lot using and can recommend
ken
Posts: 939
Post #2 9 Aug 2020 22:21
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In reply to Post #1
When you decide what to get look on this site, fantastic site for camera gear.

https://usedlens.co.uk/

I use Nikon cameras and would be looking at the D3300 24.2 MP Crop Sensor and get the 35mm prime lens to go with it for less than 500 quid.

Fantastic bit of kit for the money.
Mitts Mitts
Posts: 376
Post #3 9 Aug 2020 22:31
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In reply to Post #2
Thanks Ken

I'll take a look
Jamesvg Jamesvg
Posts: 1,165
Post #4 9 Aug 2020 23:02
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In reply to Post #1
I previously had a nikon D5300 and didn't really like it much, no particular reason, just didn't seem to produce great pictures. I now have a sony a6000 - even with the kit lense the pictures it produces are top notch. It's a nice compact piece of kit and the controls are a doddle - the a5100 with the flip screen and the same lense may be a good fit for you?
hyperloop hyperloop
Posts: 2,798
Post #5 10 Aug 2020 10:48
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In reply to Post #4
I use a Nikon D5500 that I bought second hand for £350 or thereabouts. Add a 35mm prime and you're away.

Any of the D5000 range with the 35mm f1.8 would suit your needs perfectly. All have flip screens and built in intervalometers that make self takes a doddle.
You could probably pick up a second hand d5200 and 35mm for not too far north of £300.
Lb1983
Posts: 177
Post #6 10 Aug 2020 12:25
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I've got the Sony a5000 and it's fairly decent, just need to catch a decent fish 😁
AJM123 AJM123
Posts: 558
Post #7 10 Aug 2020 14:35
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In reply to Post #1
I bought a second hand Nikon D5200 last year and have been very happy with it.
Following advice from here i also purchased the 35mm Prime lens which is really great.

Mpb.com are currently advertising a used D5200 (Body only) for £179.
Which would leave plenty in the budget for a 35mm prime lens and more...
Greekskii Greekskii
Posts: 3,434
Post #8 10 Aug 2020 14:47
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recently got a Nikon d5100 + 35mm lens for around £270 all in. Albeit my first foray in to DSLR cameras so I am still getting used to it.

mpb is where I got my camera from and the lens from ebay.
mere--man mere--man
Posts: 577
Post #9 10 Aug 2020 14:55
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In reply to Post #1
Personally I'd look at something like the 5dmkii/ iii, professional quality camera for around £500 mark. Strap a 50mm 1.4 on it and you've got as good a quality setup for catch shots as you'll ever need. If Nikon is your preference then a body of the same age/ quality should be a similar price.
I use a similar setup, albeit with a 50mm 1.2 l series and have numerous shots in subsurface journals, and other media platforms. I know it's got no flip screen but I've always found them to be a bit useless particularly on any camera that isn't full frame with a 50/35mm lense.
The world is your oyster with it, I've always had the opinion though to get the best body possible, then save again for a lense to match the quality of the body.
bolton121
Posts: 182
Post #10 10 Aug 2020 17:12
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Another vote for the D5000 series here. I bought the D5600 with kit lense and have been really really happy with it so far. I'm getting the 35mm prime soon based on feedback from here.
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #11 10 Aug 2020 17:14
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In reply to Post #9
Why is a camera that is full frame better with a tilty flippy screen?
I owned a 5d mark 2 for a good few years with a 50mm 1.4. Great piece of kit but I don't think any newer, more modern model dslr wouldn't be able to keep up with it, the mark 2 is 12 years old now. Like full frame is great and all but I'd rather have something with modern focus and features. Plus the camera is seriously heavy if you're a mobile angler.
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #12 10 Aug 2020 17:18
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In reply to Post #9
Also lens>body everyday of the week.
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #13 10 Aug 2020 17:21
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many people get a DSLR or mirrorless . interchangeable lens system and are initially disappointed.

they often blame themselves thinking its a lack of knowledge. but generally its a crappy kit lens.

my camera is probably worth about 200 quid. it was only 500 about 6 years ago. however
i have probably £2000 worth of lens. buy well and they dont even lose value.
KnickerSniffer
Posts: 206
Post #14 10 Aug 2020 17:22
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I'd agree with mere man, although from what some say the 5D II isn't that great apparently.

I was going to suggest the 6D as it's a pretty decent all-rounder and will cover most bases and is a tad cheaper 2nd hand...like.£500 plus whatever lenses you want to use. You know you can always control something like the 6D or 5D with a smartphone, which in my personal opinion is far better than the screens you have on the back of cameras.

I'm a Sony A7s user since it first came out. I'm of a mixed opinion in regards to Sony. The camera is terrific, simply brilliant in low light, just a shame they keep pumping out new cameras and don't support their older ones long enough. Oh, and Sony smartphone apps have been absolutely junk. The most recent release of their new camera/smartphone app which supersedes PlayMemories is looking promising.

Oh, 50mm prime lens all the way on a full frame. On a crop sensor, a 50mm lens is ganna be something like 71mm. Go 35mm on a crop sensor
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #15 10 Aug 2020 17:31
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In reply to Post #14
Fairly certain 5d mk 2 and 3 don't have wifi and need a hardware add on to connect to Mobile phones. 6d is a good option if you can find them for this price.
I'm currently using Fuji on an x pro2, amazing camera but not for self takes. Fuji 35mm is hard to beat for apsc cameras. You may find something in their range to suit your needs but in all honesty I'd go dslr like a d5500 like others have said with some decent glass.
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #16 10 Aug 2020 17:52
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my 20mm 1.7 panny lens on a Mu43 Lumix G6 (40mm equivalent)
KnickerSniffer
Posts: 206
Post #17 10 Aug 2020 17:53
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In reply to Post #11
Full frame can do higher iso and less noise than crop. You can get similar results - like blurred background - with crop vs full frame if you use a smaller *mm* lens. There are YouTube videos out there that explain the maths/calculations you have to do to get similar results with a crop vs a full frame.
KnickerSniffer
Posts: 206
Post #18 10 Aug 2020 18:06
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In reply to Post #15
Wow, I didn't know that about the 5D's, I assumed wrongly that they would. Cool for correcting my mistake
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #19 10 Aug 2020 18:20
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In reply to Post #17
This isn't really the case when you're talk about full frame cameras around 8-12 years old Vs an apsc up to 5 years old. I understand the conversion of 1.6x apsc.
Shoot with an old full frame from that time, with old features, old auto focus and old sensor tech and you'll know what I mean. The 5d was a brilliant camera, it was the first dslr ever to be used for tv production but I wouldn't re buy it. Especially considering nearly all second hand purchases are from ex pro users with 50-100k shutter actuations
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #20 10 Aug 2020 18:24
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In reply to Post #16
Shot on a friends 24mm canon pancake, I loved it. Surprised how good the image quality was and how it felt like I was only carrying the body was so nice.
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #21 10 Aug 2020 18:50
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In reply to Post #16
My em5ii and 17mm 1.8 is probably even smaller than that!

Not all kit lenses are crap, the tiny Panasonic 12-32 was a lot better than I expected
I've got a few quid in mft glass, but I'm moving some of it on incase the value plummets with the olympus situation
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #22 10 Aug 2020 18:54
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In reply to Post #20
I have taken it with me to shoot people in London. hanging round your waist, flip screen up no one knows you are shooting. you can crop it after, its
surprising what you find when you get home.
KnickerSniffer
Posts: 206
Post #23 10 Aug 2020 18:55
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In reply to Post #20
Isn't it a blast with a small lightweight lens? Was debating to get a Sigma art 50mm 1.4 for my A7s recently which would weigh loads, so grabbed a cheap Sony 50mm 1.8 instead and I really like it. Obviously it's nowhere near the Sigma, all the same, despite its limitations, it's a great lens.
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #24 10 Aug 2020 18:56
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In reply to Post #21
that lens wasn't really a cheapo kit tho was it. its about 250 stand alone.
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #25 10 Aug 2020 18:58
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In reply to Post #23
Not sure if there has been a new Sigma 50mm released but i had the old one. That + 5d was like close to 1.5kg. I began to hate that camera just because of the heft.
The move over to mirrorless was a game changer for me.
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #26 10 Aug 2020 19:00
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In reply to Post #24
I'm not sure, it came with a used gx7 I paid £200 for a while back. It was certainly miles better than the 12-50 I paid around 200 for, that lens was a dog
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #27 10 Aug 2020 19:02
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In reply to Post #25
Too much is made of the smaller lighter mirror less, if your buying full frame with a few lenses you'll most likely have a heavier bulkier kit
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #28 10 Aug 2020 19:07
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In reply to Post #26
i think it launched with their GM1. to be honest im out of the loop. i have a habit of getting what i need
and then not looking any further.
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #29 10 Aug 2020 19:09
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In reply to Post #27
I don't mind carrying a heavier camera if it will give me the image that i'm after. Hence why i still use my hasselblad 500 and large format camera. When my xpro2 does everything a full frame does then why would i want the extra weight around my neck?
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #30 10 Aug 2020 19:17
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In reply to Post #28
My wants and needs change over time so I do keep track of what's out, like the 75 1.8 that is an incredible lens, but now my daughter isn't doing drama stuff in dingy theatres, it'll go to fund something else
Hadrian
Posts: 380
Post #31 10 Aug 2020 19:25
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In reply to Post #1
I've had just about every Canon pro/ prosumer camera and a wide array of top spec L lenses, and sold through various worldwide stock agencies in the past.... for general catch shots, rod shots etc you may as well look for the smaller mirror less ranges. Unless you need to print large and have a powerful pc/Mac to process images you are wasting your time with full frame. Massive file size that from what I've seen gets viewed mainly on a phone or tablet.... some of the smaller Canon/Nikon and Sony mirrorless cameras in the right hands will perform just as well as a full frame on green or P shooting jpegs.
Even kit lenses, which perform poorly in MTF charts against better lenses, will produce the goods, bare in mind most lenses are poorer in the corners due to distortion etc but seeing as the subject is usually centre this is mitigated.
I'm using the EOS M6 with the kit lens at the moment, using the custom C2/C2 on a tripod I can trust anyone to press the shutter and get great shots.
Just like rods/ golf clubs etc it's not the equipment but how it's used that gets results
mere--man mere--man
Posts: 577
Post #32 10 Aug 2020 19:49
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In reply to Post #11
Didn't say a camera was better in any sense with a flip screen. Any crop sensor camera with a prime lense requires some degree of distance to get a decent frame, to the point the screen isn't worth looking at, not for me at least anyway. And I've shot with canon/ sigma prime lenses from 35mm upwards and found it an issue, even more so with night pictures.
I carry a 5dmkii everywhere I go fishing, and I'm probably the most mobile lightweight travelling angler youll meet. Regardless of weight any camera requires some degree of protection, Ie a bag, especially if expensive glass is in the bag to, a few grams doesn't make a difference to the size of the bag it'll be carried in for the most part. your right in the fact there are modern body's with better features, I actually own a mk4 aswell, but they come at a price, mkii isn't perfect by any imagination, but bang for buck, for fishing photography I find it hard to beat, not overly dear (I picked mine up for £270 with a 12000 count), very very robust, waterproof to a degree, and in the right hands will take as good catch shots as anyone will ever need.
I know terry uses (or at least used for a long time) a mkiii with a 50mm 1.2, for the most part I don't think I've ever seen better shots that haven't been abused on photoshop.
Again it's a lions den, same with most equipment in any field it's personal, and personal in a sense how you like your pictures to come out. An experienced eye will outperform most, even with poor quality kit, because they can get the most out of it.
SilureMark
Posts: 1,282
Post #33 10 Aug 2020 19:51
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In reply to Post #1
Get a second hand Canon 60D and it'll probably have the kit lens attached, which are pretty decent. They are quite heavy though and take up a bit of room. If you're using a barrow it doesn't matter really, hence that's when I use my 6D mk II (usually with a 17-40 f/4L lens), as I do 95% of my fishing on my own and it's all self takes, the flip screen is a must and allows you to see how the fish is being held and the end result of course. Gone are the days of constantly putting the fish down to check the pictures look ok... and I just don't trust others to taken a decent picture for me and I'd rather not let others see what I am catching. I do also now have a 5D mk IV, but rarely take that fishing! If I want to ditch the barrow, then I use a M50 and the brilliant 32mm f1.4 lens canon do. Both cameras I use for fishing have bluetooth, so I can do a self take with a remote and not have to point the fob at the camera - a real improvement over the old infrared remotes. I used to hate seeing that pocking out of my hand... anyway, yeah. A good condition used Canon 60D is bang on mate. I owned one for quite a while - great images, it's got some environmental protection (good to have when using in damp conditions) and the flip around screen is great for self takes and video work. Plenty on eBay right now at decent prices. Try to buy one with a low shutter count
Spen89 Spen89
Posts: 507
Post #34 10 Aug 2020 20:14
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In reply to Post #32
I know it's got no flip screen but I've always found them to be a bit useless particularly on any camera that isn't full frame with a 50/35mm lense.

Must have taken this out of context. 35mm on apsc will do most people for self takes just fine, pretty much converts over to a 50mm on full frame. My all time fave on apsc being my old nikon 28mm 2.8, wish i still had it.
I've always chucked any camera i've had into a backpack with maybe a sock pulled over the lens barrel but i treat cameras as a tool while i understand others look after theirs to the nth degree.
Maybe it's me but most people since moving either to mirrorless full frame or to modern apsc cameras like Fuji offer, they don't look back. If you are shooting professionally then by all means anything semi pro/pro grade Canon/Nikon put out are total workhorses plus their battery life outshines most smaller cameras. I just couldn't deal with the weight and after seeing multiple people switching over to smaller cameras about 7-8 years ago i had to see what it was all about.
Totally agree with your last part.
Mitts Mitts
Posts: 376
Post #35 12 Aug 2020 18:32
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Wow thanks for all the replies, I'm definitely interested in the 60D as I have always used cannon and I was previously looking at the 700D but I'm definitely interested in the Bluetooth feature and of course it has the flip round screen which is a must for me.

Question, should I run the 60D with the 35mm prime lens?
hyperloop hyperloop
Posts: 2,798
Post #36 12 Aug 2020 22:24
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In reply to Post #35
If you can afford the 35mm Canon then yes.

If not, the 50mm 1.8 is fantastic, especially for the price. You will need a bit more room available to get everything framed, but unless you're in the tightest of swims you shouldn't struggle.
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
Posts: 1,404
Post #37 13 Aug 2020 07:51
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In reply to Post #33
Hi Mark, would you mind elaborating on your self take process please? I use a bluetooth clicker too but it's a pain having to hold it in my right hand whilst also holding the fish. Are you using a timer with the clicker? So, get fish ready on mat, click to activate timer, then pick up fish?
Springates Springates
Posts: 88
Post #38 13 Aug 2020 09:20
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Thinking of combining a Nikon 5500 with 35mm lens. Good or not?
yonny yonny
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Post #39 13 Aug 2020 09:27
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In reply to Post #38
Yes, perfectly good mate.
mere--man mere--man
Posts: 577
Post #40 13 Aug 2020 13:18
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In reply to Post #37
Air bulb release is a good bit of kit. Place it under your knee instead. Not much chance of it breaking either.
hyperloop hyperloop
Posts: 2,798
Post #41 13 Aug 2020 17:57
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In reply to Post #38
More than adequate for anything fishing related mate. Exactly the combo I use. Check out my Flickr if it helps

https://www.flickr.com/photos/155878829@N08/
Pizza Pizza
Posts: 2,815
Post #42 13 Aug 2020 19:18
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In reply to Post #41
Great camera skills and those carp are belters
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #43 13 Aug 2020 20:16
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In reply to Post #41
great. my fave

NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
Posts: 1,423
Post #44 13 Aug 2020 20:39
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In reply to Post #38
As with many others on here, I have Nikon D5300 with the fixed 35mm lens. 95% of my shots are self take and its a great camera for this.
Gashman Gashman
Posts: 562
Post #45 15 Aug 2020 19:53
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I have a lumix g5 with the kit lens and a intervelometer. Works well but would like to upgrade the lens
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #46 15 Aug 2020 20:47
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In reply to Post #45
Loads of good options in mft land, the Panasonic 25mm f1. 7 being the most wallet friendly
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #47 15 Aug 2020 21:23
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In reply to Post #46
Good call Duggs. I dont have it. By i know somone that does and it takes lovely photos.
Budice Budice
Posts: 336
Post #48 15 Aug 2020 23:25
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In reply to Post #46
Any idea if this will fit Olympus MFT camera?
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #49 15 Aug 2020 23:37
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In reply to Post #48
Yes.
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #50 16 Aug 2020 03:55
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In reply to Post #48
Yes, there are other options too if you want spend a bit more.
The olympus 45 1.8 is great too, but needs a fair bit of room
sundance sundance
Posts: 6,762
Post #51 16 Aug 2020 10:01
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In reply to Post #50
agreed. ive got it. you do need to stand back quite a bit.
Gashman Gashman
Posts: 562
Post #52 16 Aug 2020 10:08
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In reply to Post #46
I've had my eye on that lens a while to be fair, think it's time I made the upgrade 👍🏽
duggs
Posts: 5,559
Post #53 16 Aug 2020 10:10
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In reply to Post #51
I'll probably sell mine as I rarely use it, I either use the 17 1.8 or the 12-40 for fishing. Very occasionally I'll take the 35-100 if I fancy getting some wildlife shots.
I just need to remember to check the focus clutch isnt engaged when I do a self take, unlike last night
There isn't much of a difference in space needed between the 45 and the Canon 50mm on a crop body really and lots of people swear by that
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