I have had some artificial corn soaking in some flavour/liquid for 6+ months now. I was wondering if I was to take the corn out of the liquid ahead of the session (to let the surface dry to make it more handleable on the bank - it stinks), would this massively detract from them?
If anyone has any experience of this it would be appreciated.
If anyone has any experience of this it would be appreciated.
In reply to Post #1
Should be fine... I have had them in a tackle box for months after soaking and you can still smell the beatalin on them.
Should be fine... I have had them in a tackle box for months after soaking and you can still smell the beatalin on them.
I like to soak mine in a natural extract
In reply to Post #3
I like to throw it in the bin and use something not dangerous
I like to throw it in the bin and use something not dangerous
In reply to Post #4
I wouldnt buy any then if I was you
I wouldnt buy any then if I was you
In reply to Post #5
Obviously I don't, you shouldn't either... Stuff should be banned, end of
Obviously I don't, you shouldn't either... Stuff should be banned, end of
In reply to Post #6
Hi All,
"Stuff should be banned, end of"
Couldn't agree more, I've seen a lot of drain downs and apart from the amount of bait that doesn't break down or is rotting that anglers put in. The amount of "active" rigs with fake corn on the hair and an active hook is pretty shocking.
(As an additional note a high percentage of those rigs were barbless hooks, no idea why that is)
Best
Jon
"Stuff should be banned, end of"
Couldn't agree more, I've seen a lot of drain downs and apart from the amount of bait that doesn't break down or is rotting that anglers put in. The amount of "active" rigs with fake corn on the hair and an active hook is pretty shocking.
(As an additional note a high percentage of those rigs were barbless hooks, no idea why that is)
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #8
Because there's the nonsense opinion barbless users have that they miraculously drop out therefore rendering using fake baits safe.
Because there's the nonsense opinion barbless users have that they miraculously drop out therefore rendering using fake baits safe.
Thing is, tiger or any nuts are dangerous in the wrong hands, so is leadcore & distance fishing, plenty of dangerous stuff about in the wrong hands, general bad angling like jamming your lead clip on too hard, should it all be banned? Lead clips, leadcore, line under 12lb, nuts and artificial baits?
In reply to Post #10
Tigers don't last forever...and can be used safely
How is distance fishing in particular dangerous?
Leadcore is banned on a lot of places, and can be used safely anyway
Fake baits last forever, so leave a rig actively fishing if cracked off, therefore potential to kill a fish through tethering, and can't be used safely.
Tigers don't last forever...and can be used safely
How is distance fishing in particular dangerous?
Leadcore is banned on a lot of places, and can be used safely anyway
Fake baits last forever, so leave a rig actively fishing if cracked off, therefore potential to kill a fish through tethering, and can't be used safely.
In reply to Post #11
Distnce fishing can create a whole host of problems if weed and snags are present. Say a line breaks and a fish picks up a 100 yards of line, it can pick up weed, get tethered in snags aswell as create further snags for other lines to break on. Its about being responsible imo, not banning everything.
Day ticket waters that attract novice anglers should ban these things though, absolutely
Distnce fishing can create a whole host of problems if weed and snags are present. Say a line breaks and a fish picks up a 100 yards of line, it can pick up weed, get tethered in snags aswell as create further snags for other lines to break on. Its about being responsible imo, not banning everything.
Day ticket waters that attract novice anglers should ban these things though, absolutely
In reply to Post #12
That's the point though, the things you mentioned CAN be done safely, fake baits can't.
That's the point though, the things you mentioned CAN be done safely, fake baits can't.
In reply to Post #10
Sadly this forum can be "dangerous in the wrong hands"
Comparing nuts, fishing at range, line strength and lead clips to plastic baits is quite frankly laughable
Best
Jon
Sadly this forum can be "dangerous in the wrong hands"
Comparing nuts, fishing at range, line strength and lead clips to plastic baits is quite frankly laughable
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #13
Fake baits are banned on my club lakes because they keep fishing after a crack off, and several tethered fish were found snagged up. Hence now banned.
Fake baits are banned on my club lakes because they keep fishing after a crack off, and several tethered fish were found snagged up. Hence now banned.
In reply to Post #13
they can be done dangerously aswell
they can be done dangerously aswell
In reply to Post #16
I've never said thet can't chap, but once again they can be done safely, whereas fake baits cannot. If something is impossible to use safely then it shouldn't be used, end of. Using them is irresponsible
I've never said thet can't chap, but once again they can be done safely, whereas fake baits cannot. If something is impossible to use safely then it shouldn't be used, end of. Using them is irresponsible
In reply to Post #17
There is actually a quite rare richworth sweetcorn flavour on ebay atm, i've done well making my own corn shape pop ups in the past using 10ml richworth corn flavour, 1ml betalin, 1 teaspoon of betaine, 20ml nutramino to a 1 egg mix
I tend to use plastic now myself because the naturals where I fish love to whittle your baits down to nothing
There is actually a quite rare richworth sweetcorn flavour on ebay atm, i've done well making my own corn shape pop ups in the past using 10ml richworth corn flavour, 1ml betalin, 1 teaspoon of betaine, 20ml nutramino to a 1 egg mix
I tend to use plastic now myself because the naturals where I fish love to whittle your baits down to nothing
In reply to Post #18
No excuse for it. Hardened hookbaits get around that problem
No excuse for it. Hardened hookbaits get around that problem
In reply to Post #19
I think you are wasting your time unfortunately
I think you are wasting your time unfortunately
In reply to Post #8
Strangely no fish attached. Wonder why that may be.
Strangely no fish attached. Wonder why that may be.
In reply to Post #21
Luck?
Luck?
If you are so concerned lobby a petition to get them removed from the shelves. I haven't lost a rig with a piece of plastic on it yet, its not my fault some can't angle responsibly. I'll judge saftey on the results and experiences of using things myself as long as the rules allow, instead off some numpty under gunned
In reply to Post #23
Enterprise were supposed to introduce biodegradable imitations this year but I aint seen them anywhere yet.
https://www.angling-international.com/enterprise-tackle-introduces-biodegradable-imitation-baits/
Enterprise were supposed to introduce biodegradable imitations this year but I aint seen them anywhere yet.
https://www.angling-international.com/enterprise-tackle-introduces-biodegradable-imitation-baits/
In reply to Post #22
If you crack off the chances of a rig being picked up in the first week well the fresh bait is still edible is a hell of a lot more than it will be on week 2, 3 and 4 I would imagine. If its not been picked up in the first week the chances are it won't be i would suggest. In that case a fresh bait is just as 'lethal', its funny how you never see birds like tuftys and coots reguarly trailing around plastic hookbaits isn't it?
Ask Rob Hughes how many fish he finds tetheredup with plastic baits when he is diving
If you crack off the chances of a rig being picked up in the first week well the fresh bait is still edible is a hell of a lot more than it will be on week 2, 3 and 4 I would imagine. If its not been picked up in the first week the chances are it won't be i would suggest. In that case a fresh bait is just as 'lethal', its funny how you never see birds like tuftys and coots reguarly trailing around plastic hookbaits isn't it?
Ask Rob Hughes how many fish he finds tetheredup with plastic baits when he is diving
In reply to Post #25
Keep burying your head in the sand and fishing irresponsiblly chap...
Keep burying your head in the sand and fishing irresponsiblly chap...
In reply to Post #26
Have you asked Rob hughes then? Give me evidence instead of theory and I'll listen, photos of your drained pools etc, failing that I'll stick to my answers below
Have you asked Rob hughes then? Give me evidence instead of theory and I'll listen, photos of your drained pools etc, failing that I'll stick to my answers below
In reply to Post #27
I have personally found three dead coots wrapped up in line with plastic baits.
I have personally found three dead coots wrapped up in line with plastic baits.
In reply to Post #27
I've no need, I've reeled in a fish with a rig baited with a plastic pellet before. No theory, it's fact. Same as using fake baits is irresponsible, fact.
I've no need, I've reeled in a fish with a rig baited with a plastic pellet before. No theory, it's fact. Same as using fake baits is irresponsible, fact.
In reply to Post #28
I've found coots wrapped up with fresh bait
I've found coots wrapped up with fresh bait
In reply to Post #30
I'm not sure that makes it ok lol.
I'm not sure that makes it ok lol.
In reply to Post #31
Better ban the use of cork balls then too, afterall when the paste has been pecked away they are permanently live
Better ban the use of cork balls then too, afterall when the paste has been pecked away they are permanently live
In reply to Post #32
They are also banned on my club lakes.
They are also banned on my club lakes.
In reply to Post #30
Of.course you have...
Of.course you have...
In reply to Post #32
This is a pretty good point to be fair. Same would apply to the wooden balls recommended by many to combat crays. I've never used plastic or wood, but I've certainly used cork ball pop ups.
This is a pretty good point to be fair. Same would apply to the wooden balls recommended by many to combat crays. I've never used plastic or wood, but I've certainly used cork ball pop ups.
In reply to Post #32
Mmm.. No. Cork balls get chewed to hell by carp and nuisance fish once the paste has come off. Very different scenario to plastics... You could argue the same about tigers otherwise
Mmm.. No. Cork balls get chewed to hell by carp and nuisance fish once the paste has come off. Very different scenario to plastics... You could argue the same about tigers otherwise
In reply to Post #36
Now I'm only playing devils advocate here, as I have used cork ball pop ups for years and will continue to do so, but I don't buy your theory.
If a Carp is picking up and 'chewing' a cork ball on a tethered rig once the paste is gone, then this is no different to it taking a piece of plastic corn is it?
Now I'm only playing devils advocate here, as I have used cork ball pop ups for years and will continue to do so, but I don't buy your theory.
If a Carp is picking up and 'chewing' a cork ball on a tethered rig once the paste is gone, then this is no different to it taking a piece of plastic corn is it?
In reply to Post #37
Yes it is... Because the Cork eventually gets chewed down to nothing. Have you never used a Cork ball pop up, and when you are unhooking a fish, half the Cork has gone? Doesn't happen with plastic (pike discounted)
Yes it is... Because the Cork eventually gets chewed down to nothing. Have you never used a Cork ball pop up, and when you are unhooking a fish, half the Cork has gone? Doesn't happen with plastic (pike discounted)
In reply to Post #38
But that bit of cork has been in the carp's mouth, correct?
But that bit of cork has been in the carp's mouth, correct?
In reply to Post #39
Agree. I'm yet to see a carp with the skills to chew a cork ball off a rig without getting hooked.
Agree. I'm yet to see a carp with the skills to chew a cork ball off a rig without getting hooked.
In reply to Post #32
Cork is nothing at all like plastic though. It's totally natural for a start (it's a bark), it's biodegradable and breaks down when immersed under water for an extended period of time. Wine corks are commonly being replaced these days with plastic cork looking alternatives, for that very reason.
Once the paste has gone and any liquids have dispersed from the cork, it's also no longer giving off any attraction signals to consume it... Whereas plastic remains attractive to fish forever for some strange reason. This is not just a visual thing either, there's something in the plastic they find attractive.
You could go carp angling on the bottom with a 'single' bare cork ball and would catch nothing. You could go fishing with a 'single' piece of plastic corn on the bottom and would catch fish with it. One is attractive to fish, the other is not.
Cork is nothing at all like plastic though. It's totally natural for a start (it's a bark), it's biodegradable and breaks down when immersed under water for an extended period of time. Wine corks are commonly being replaced these days with plastic cork looking alternatives, for that very reason.
Once the paste has gone and any liquids have dispersed from the cork, it's also no longer giving off any attraction signals to consume it... Whereas plastic remains attractive to fish forever for some strange reason. This is not just a visual thing either, there's something in the plastic they find attractive.
You could go carp angling on the bottom with a 'single' bare cork ball and would catch nothing. You could go fishing with a 'single' piece of plastic corn on the bottom and would catch fish with it. One is attractive to fish, the other is not.
In reply to Post #40
Sorry Yonny, but that's like saying no carp can mouth a pop up rig without being hooked...
Sorry Yonny, but that's like saying no carp can mouth a pop up rig without being hooked...
In reply to Post #42
That is completely different imo.
Of course carp can get away with mouthing a hook bait.
Taking a hook bait back to the pharyngeal teeth and chewing it repeatedly is not mouthing a hook bait. It is basically eating it.
That is completely different imo.
Of course carp can get away with mouthing a hook bait.
Taking a hook bait back to the pharyngeal teeth and chewing it repeatedly is not mouthing a hook bait. It is basically eating it.
In reply to Post #38
Have you never used a Cork ball pop up, and when you are unhooking a fish, half the Cork has gone
yes but that's due to Crayfish surely
Have you never used a Cork ball pop up, and when you are unhooking a fish, half the Cork has gone
yes but that's due to Crayfish surely
If cork broke down that quickly in contact with water then there would be a lot of very expensive wine on the floor around the world!
The argument against plastic or artificial baits is that if you crack off or get snagged and the line breaks then the baited rig is still live and fishing until that bait decomposes and cannot be picked up.
Cork contains a natural substance called suberin which prevents water getting in or out of the cell walls. This is great for buoyancy, but also means that the water will not penetrate and rot the cork easily. I would estimate that a cork ball would still be out there for at least a month, but probably longer.
Another great property of cork is that although the material itself does not easily absorb water, the tiny air pockets will absorb attractant chemicals. If we go on the common theory that a carp can detect minute traces of some chemicals then the cork will be leaking off signals for a decent amount of time even after the paste is gone.
The unfortunate reality for those (like me) who prefer to use cork ball pop ups is that these baits behave very much like artificial baits once out in the lake. Whether or not they should come under the artificial bait bans is up for debate, personally I don't use cork if that is the case on the water I'm fishing.
The argument against plastic or artificial baits is that if you crack off or get snagged and the line breaks then the baited rig is still live and fishing until that bait decomposes and cannot be picked up.
Cork contains a natural substance called suberin which prevents water getting in or out of the cell walls. This is great for buoyancy, but also means that the water will not penetrate and rot the cork easily. I would estimate that a cork ball would still be out there for at least a month, but probably longer.
Another great property of cork is that although the material itself does not easily absorb water, the tiny air pockets will absorb attractant chemicals. If we go on the common theory that a carp can detect minute traces of some chemicals then the cork will be leaking off signals for a decent amount of time even after the paste is gone.
The unfortunate reality for those (like me) who prefer to use cork ball pop ups is that these baits behave very much like artificial baits once out in the lake. Whether or not they should come under the artificial bait bans is up for debate, personally I don't use cork if that is the case on the water I'm fishing.
In reply to Post #41
While I've never done any research to substantiate this, I would beg to differ that cork has less attraction than plastic in its natural state. Check out it's chemical make up..
While I've never done any research to substantiate this, I would beg to differ that cork has less attraction than plastic in its natural state. Check out it's chemical make up..
In reply to Post #45
Natural untreated cork will absorb 3% of its own weight in 24 hours, it does take on water. It will take on even far more than that if this is done under pressure...Take some bone dry cork balls and soak them in water. When you start they will be a very light colour as they are dry. After soaking they will turn dark, you should know this from using cork balls yourself. The reason they have turned a dark colour, is because they have taken on the liquid and are now wet. Now weigh them. They will weigh more than they did when they were dry. A lot of the blurb you will read on Google is related to cork products within the construction industry, thus trying to sell it as a product for certain applications. As far as I know, everything produced by nature is totally biodegradable... Otherwise the trees etc, would live forever. They do not. When the tree dies the cork breaks down (without being submerged). Plastic takes 1000 years +.
It's a natural product, plastic is not. It's like comparing plastic and wood and saying they are the same thing.
Plastic is attractive to carp for some strange reason, cork is not.
Natural untreated cork will absorb 3% of its own weight in 24 hours, it does take on water. It will take on even far more than that if this is done under pressure...Take some bone dry cork balls and soak them in water. When you start they will be a very light colour as they are dry. After soaking they will turn dark, you should know this from using cork balls yourself. The reason they have turned a dark colour, is because they have taken on the liquid and are now wet. Now weigh them. They will weigh more than they did when they were dry. A lot of the blurb you will read on Google is related to cork products within the construction industry, thus trying to sell it as a product for certain applications. As far as I know, everything produced by nature is totally biodegradable... Otherwise the trees etc, would live forever. They do not. When the tree dies the cork breaks down (without being submerged). Plastic takes 1000 years +.
It's a natural product, plastic is not. It's like comparing plastic and wood and saying they are the same thing.
Plastic is attractive to carp for some strange reason, cork is not.
In reply to Post #47
The cork *balls* will take on water, as the water will fill the air pockets between the cork itself. The cork balls soaked in water will weigh more than dry as where there was previously air, there is now water.
In order for the cork to break down effectively in the water the water not only needs to fill these air pockets but also pass through the cell walls of the cork. The natural suberin in the cork prevents this.
I obviously agree that cork will biodegrade. The point I raise is that in or out of water this process will take a significant amount of time. Much longer than a fresh bait and in this sense they become comparable to an artificial bait.
I'm not sure what being a natural product has to do with it. So is potassium but I wouldn't want that anywhere near my hook in it's natural form!
Anyway, that's it on cork for me...I just thought it was an interesting debate when people have such strong opinions on artificial baits.
The cork *balls* will take on water, as the water will fill the air pockets between the cork itself. The cork balls soaked in water will weigh more than dry as where there was previously air, there is now water.
In order for the cork to break down effectively in the water the water not only needs to fill these air pockets but also pass through the cell walls of the cork. The natural suberin in the cork prevents this.
I obviously agree that cork will biodegrade. The point I raise is that in or out of water this process will take a significant amount of time. Much longer than a fresh bait and in this sense they become comparable to an artificial bait.
I'm not sure what being a natural product has to do with it. So is potassium but I wouldn't want that anywhere near my hook in it's natural form!
Anyway, that's it on cork for me...I just thought it was an interesting debate when people have such strong opinions on artificial baits.
In reply to Post #44
Nope, not crays on one particular venue I'm fishing. Though perhaps I should clarify. I'm not talking about a fresh corkball out of the packet that has never touched paste or liquids. I'm talking about a corkball that the paste has come off from that may have residual smell still present. Titanium dioxide for example, binds really well to cork and is a mare to scrape off, so those tiny amounts may still hold some 'attraction' for want of a better word.
There are things though that will 'stay' with the cork, some essential oils and particularly oleoresins. If in doubt, 'marinade' some cork balls in ginger oleoresin for a few days, then attach to a rig and stick it in a bucket for a week....then have a sniff....
But an interesting discussion, all
Nope, not crays on one particular venue I'm fishing. Though perhaps I should clarify. I'm not talking about a fresh corkball out of the packet that has never touched paste or liquids. I'm talking about a corkball that the paste has come off from that may have residual smell still present. Titanium dioxide for example, binds really well to cork and is a mare to scrape off, so those tiny amounts may still hold some 'attraction' for want of a better word.
There are things though that will 'stay' with the cork, some essential oils and particularly oleoresins. If in doubt, 'marinade' some cork balls in ginger oleoresin for a few days, then attach to a rig and stick it in a bucket for a week....then have a sniff....
But an interesting discussion, all
In reply to Post #49
I understood you meant a corkball pop-up and not just a plain cork ball, if it's not Crays though what do you think is causing it or are you suggesting it's pharyngeal teeth?
I understood you meant a corkball pop-up and not just a plain cork ball, if it's not Crays though what do you think is causing it or are you suggesting it's pharyngeal teeth?
In reply to Post #47
Also zigs are live too if you're using the much used zig foam
Carp don't need to smell attractant in cork, they pick things up out of curiosity, drop a piece of cork in the margin on a rig and it looks like a boilie, and carp pick up boilies all the time
Also zigs are live too if you're using the much used zig foam
Carp don't need to smell attractant in cork, they pick things up out of curiosity, drop a piece of cork in the margin on a rig and it looks like a boilie, and carp pick up boilies all the time
In reply to Post #51
I have intentionally caught carp on plain cork balls after running out of pop ups on a trip!
I have intentionally caught carp on plain cork balls after running out of pop ups on a trip!
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