Just wondering on what people's thoughts are? There seems to have been an increase on videos lately “outing” nice quiet waters. Certain company's think it's fine to turn up at quiet lakes and film launching drones and generally making it pretty obvious where the lake is. I guess most of the time this is done with the land owners permission but do the landowners really understand the consequences?
Extremely busy lakes and often “Anglers” trespassing on private property.
Often these lakes are closely guarded secrets and the quiet nature of these lakes is what makes them so special.
I have no issues with videos being filmed at popular day ticket lakes or accessible syndicates with waiting lists. But filming on quiet lakes must infuriate the current membership of said lake.?
Just seems to be an increase lately by certain company's trying to create an image for themselves.

In reply to Post #1
Iv got tapes and tapes of footage of my old club water which I won't upload as it wouldn't be fair for current members. It would do my nut if I was on a lake your describing, no different to Hearn though on he Thames though. All the locals won't be happy id imagine

In reply to Post #2
Don't bring Teflon Tel into this

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In reply to Post #1
Everyone loves the films yet nobody wants them made on their water. Cant have it both ways imo. No one wants to watch them queuing up on linear. They have to film somewhere. I'd add that they rarely name the private waters, only the public ones, which are pretty easy to find out about if you do some homework anyway.

In reply to Post #5
Yonny, it is bitter sweet isn't it.

Private or public venue. In this day and age, with bit of common sense, It is easy enough to film in a discreet manner that it is against a bland and common vegetation background/s with no obvious landmarks or features of the lake in a film to pick up on, if they try hard enough.
The individual, or the company, edit all that footage and have a choice to put it out on a public channel, or not.
They know the effect, the sheep will follow.

Personally I don't agree to blowing the cover on a previously quiet water, but it is happening more and more these days, is it to win 'carpy hipster' points for caning the water first ?

IMHO just no respect or common courtesy for current anglers/members enjoying the venue, and the looming circus that will follow this year, or next, after they have moved onto new venues.

In reply to Post #5
I'm not sure I do love them to be honest the current crop seem to be covering all the same ground. Nothing new or innovative.

In reply to Post #7
I Just like watching the occasional one, a good angler enjoying the great outdoors, in nice surroundings and catching nice, unnamed fish, size is irrelvant.
With no plugs, just doing it for the love of their hobby/sport ideally.

I used to be a member on a place that was quite tricky and it had regular members that fished it hard some sizeable fish in there too. It closes every year for a few months when the fish spawn. At this time the lease owner invites every Big name he can to come and fish. They have had 2 months of being left alone and a few weeks before it opens they let the names batter them for publicity you don't see the names fish it after that. On top of that a big % of the A team have been out before your ticket has even started.

In reply to Post #1
The thing that bothers me are those who go about doing their thing on waters that they shouldn't be on, having their cover blown by others. Due to the rise in urban/naughty fishing being trendy, some feel the need to go one step further and document it for kudos. We all know it happens, plenty of us have done it, but I respect those who keep it quiet for their own personal enjoyment over those who do it for attention.

If you're silly enough to film two highly recognisable buildings of English heritage via a poxy drone, don't be surprised when you cop a bit of flack over it.

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Ahhh yes the fishing of places that are not allowed or have no fishing on them. Then make a full on video of them and announce it to the world. I am sure the local anglers quietly going about there own thing are over the moon with that!! Fair enough if you are going to do it , but keep it to yourself for heavens sake. I do wonder what these companies actually get out of it that they wouldn't get out of filming on a normal known venue. It has come to the point I question whether to buy tackle from these companies now.

In reply to Post #11
Well, one got caught and got rewarded with a Nash bait 'deal'. Quality of filming and social media overrules stupidity it seems.

In reply to Post #12
And now all his videos are just Nash adverts.

You've then got the 'high profile' angler that is an ambassador for an organisation set up to prevent poaching, that was caught poaching whilst in lockdown and moved on by the police and who's Sponsor has released a video that shows him poaching.

It's all about Internet points these days, nobody can keep their gob shut because they need people to know how 'cool' they are.

I don't think I would really mind if they fished it hard all season and put in the effort like every other bloke. But then again why would you when you can get a spot rocking for 2 months do a 3 night session and catch a seasons worth of carp. I seen a post somewhere about a angler being the best in the country at the minute He had spent 3 nights on a closed water hauling 40s. Never to be seen until that same period next year. I would rather earn my fish and do it the right way then turn up when it's been closed for months and clip up to the spots the owner has baited and catch. But every year it happens and it will continue to do so.

In reply to Post #14
I think I might no what angler you're talking about. If so I remember seeing a video which he was in where his one tactic (spomb a tonne of bait and put 3 rods on it, sit and wait) wasn't working. Other guys int he video were changing things up and sneaking fish out but he just refused to do it. He openly admitted this is how I fish and if it doesn't work then there's nothing I can do about it

In reply to Post #5
Spot on Yonny.

In reply to Post #15
Can we have a name please?

In reply to Post #17
I assume he's referencing Maker fishing The Avenue.

In reply to Post #18
I was after the name of the poacher

Nah it wasn't maker or the avenue.

In reply to Post #10
Naughty fishing isn't anything new, in the 80s 90s I'd guess most were drawn in to carp fishing by the buzz of being somewhere you shouldn't, pulling out fish that rarely saw the bank, ****ing yourself hiding when the estate manager was doing his rounds.
That's what fishing was all about for me and many others and still is, although now with google maps it's far easier for the masses to find these places.
Catch a release poaching for a better description

In reply to Post #20
Can someone PM me a name please

In reply to Post #13
Pm the name??

In reply to Post #23
I believe he is referring to the case in Mepal. Google and you shall find the article, it states where the anglers were from. One is fairly obvious when you connect the dots

In reply to Post #24
Ahhh dot connecting, the start of Chinese whispers as usual, if you don't know you don't know slandering certain high profile and if I'm correct in who your insinuating it is controversial angler then I'd be careful lol too many on here connect the dots and come up with the total wrong answer 😂😂

You're not correct - you've jumped to conclusions and come up with the wrong name.

Where's the slander?

Colonel Mustard
Library
Steve Neville F.O bankstick.

In reply to Post #26
If you say so, it's clear it's being blamed on a certain angler with a high pitched voice who also has an eyebrow piercing

In reply to Post #25
There were 3 anglers that got caught in the incident which made local news, two were pretty big names in the carp world. . Pretty sure no names are being mentioned due to the fact most people do know one way or another but don't want the slander thing to come their way.
If you know you know. If you don't you don't. You clearly don't know so you don't need to know.

In reply to Post #28
Again, you're completely wrong.

In reply to Post #30
But again hiding behind anonymity if your gonna hint why not just say lol

In reply to Post #1
I had the bailiff of a water messaging me in tears as someone had been reading posts he made 'over the road' and from the description he made of the syndicate lakes worked out where they were.

The lake was trashed by scruffies.

Now videoing of lakes and putting it on youtube unless a known day ticket I reckon is out of order. It upsets other anglers still fishing, it can increase the 'rat race' to the lake.

In reply to Post #31
If you read the rules of the forum you'd know why

In reply to Post #31
I'm hardly anonymous, my name is on my my profile.

You're obviously desperate for a name and I'm not going to give one, sorry to disappoint.

The Sticky 🎪

I totally agree with what people are saying but on the other hand it could be a ploy for the owner to now create a waiting list now it's been open up a massive audience.

In reply to Post #33
But that's exactly my point no naming people based on unsubstantiated rumours yet you two seem pretty certain so yeah

In reply to Post #37
We haven't named anyone No one has - in accordance with the rules of the forum. We could have other sources of knowing, that mean we actually know exactly who it was but we don't have to say their name do we.

Don't get what your point is? You want a name, you aren't getting one. Ask on Facebook and you probably will get one from someone.

In reply to Post #37
Caught poaching during lockdown - fact
Ambassador for anti poaching organisation - fact
Sponsor video showing poaching - fact

There's no unsubstantiated rumours, I'm just not naming the person because it's not relevant, unless you're a gossip. I really don't have any issue with the poaching, I couldn't care less in this situation, I mentioned it purely to highlight the inability for people to keep quiet.

Who cares and lock it up?!

In reply to Post #39
Then your an idiot who doesn't have the balls to come out and say it lol bored now

In reply to Post #41
Funnily enough we got bored of you 1634 posts ago

In reply to Post #41
😂 You're desperate to know aren't you!

In reply to Post #41
I thought everyone knew who it was? I heard the full story the other day. Don't jump to conclusions is all that I would add.

In reply to Post #43
No not really my point is people giving it oh such and such told me such and such famous anglers was caught doing such and such is pathetic

In reply to Post #42
Ahh well

In reply to Post #44
Who knew fishing for a photograph would be crime of the century eh? Then why treat it as such and waste peoples money in doing so cough Myles Gibson cough

Even if it's your own land, you politely tell them to sling their hook and that's that. 99% of people, myself included, just apologise and go elsewhere.

No-one has been cut, no-one has died. They're a silly boy for getting caught. Even sillier for putting it on social media to profit from.

In reply to Post #45
I agree, that sort of thing is a bit juvenile but when did I say that anyone told me anything? I'm not repeating rumours, there's no heresay. I'm really not sure why you're getting so upset about it.

In reply to Post #47
Myles Gibson, caught poaching, fined for it and then named carp angler of the year and glorified for good angling, when in reality he illegally fished where he wasn't allowed to be to catch that fish. It's not good Angling, it's sh*thousery at its finest.

In reply to Post #49
As I said, crime of the century

He was given that meaningless title by a magazine that no longer exists. Not exactly an OBE is it?

In reply to Post #49
See was that so hard?? For the record I wasn't personally attacking you I was saying if it's such common knowledge and it's not an unsubstantiated rumour just come out with it was all I was saying mate, especially as there are some of us not as in the know, but good to know and I agree very naughty boy considering the whole tatton park thing against him too

In reply to Post #51
Hahaa I was referring to the tatton park thing

In reply to Post #52
Back to the drawing board

In reply to Post #51
That's not who I'm talking about

In reply to Post #52
See it seemed everyone was refereeing to the mepal thing

In reply to Post #45
There are very good reasons for NOT naming a Lowestoft angler caught fishing at Mepal.

The laws Libel and Slander are just one.

In reply to Post #56
It's not who you think it is Nick. Everyone knows Shelley was 'moved on' but he wasn't the only one. Plus I very much doubt that he's an ambassador for anything.

In reply to Post #57
It was the other “name” with him that was a surprise tbf

In reply to Post #57
Ambassador for crayola maybe?

In reply to Post #58
You mean the other names!

In reply to Post #56
If it actually was them then it's not libel or slander it's only either of those if it's untrue or just Chinese whispers which was my point. Can't lie I'm more curious of who the other two were as even I'm not surprised by anything Jim does

In reply to Post #61
If you can't prove with your own knowledge that something you said (slander) or put into print (libel) then even though what you said may be true, you can still be pulled up under those laws.

Any statement you give has to use your own evidence, you cannot use hearsay or rumour, 'I heard it from a friend who heard it from a mate whose wifes sister lives in the house down the road'.

The fine or penalty may be minimal.

In reply to Post #62
That's what I said lol

In reply to Post #62
I agree unless you saw it happen yourself and are prepared to swear to that fact in court. Preferably with evidence to back you up then you need to keep quiet or risk a lawsuit.

In reply to Post #1
companies don't just turn up to waters without getting the ok off the owners.. ?

In reply to Post #65
No but not all landowners understand fishing and the implications of a video being filmed.

In reply to Post #65
They do if the water is specifically no fishing.

In reply to Post #67
If it is then it's open to anyone to poach? So I have no problem with filming. Although I'm not sure it shows the company releasing the video in the best light.

In reply to Post #68
Actively encouraging illegal activities is definitely not the best thing for a company to be doing

In reply to Post #68
Also these lakes are often very closely guarded secrets amongst local anglers. Imagine anglers driving 150 miles plus to fish your lake and then “Out it” on the Internet!!!

In reply to Post #70
Mike if you're fishing a lake where fishing isn't allowed I really don't think you have any moral argument against someone 'outing it'. Not one bit.

In reply to Post #68
And what if the lake is already run by an angling club yet still being poached and recordings being done on the venue whilst the angler hides away in the bushes?

In reply to Post #71
I don't fish a lake where angling isn't allowed but making a video on a lake where angling is not allowed hardly casts angling in a good light. It also publicises it and makes that like even busier.

In reply to Post #72
That is just wrong on so many levels.

In reply to Post #47
And how many people do you have to tell to sling their hook/ one! two! three! four! five!.
How many people will trespass on private land and poach for private fish. How many will come back? How many will argue that there is no fishing so "It's ok to guest it"

In reply to Post #68
IT IS NOT OK TO POACH.
Carp fishing nowadays is full of selfish ignorant ********s who don't give a toss about anyone but themselves .

In reply to Post #76
Totally agree been going for walks with the missus to try and keep reasonably fit while in lockdown, we are lucky to live right in the country, came out of a footpath to a windy road, on the left opposite a big Tudor Manor House complete with a mill, is a lake all fenced off with private signs up. It's right in the sticks with thick undergrowth so would be easy to poach at night but I'm too honest for that so I'm desperately trying to find the name of the person who manages the estate(the owner after a quick google search is some big shot businessmen currently doing time for tax evasion 😂 to see if I can negotiate permission to fish if they say no if I manage to locate a number then I will accept it not poach it.

The father in law knew the previous owner who never allowed fishing, despite it holding some sizeable carp(I have seen photos that the old gamekeeper had) and yes I did try contacted the old gamekeeper but he has no idea who is running it