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In reply to Post #35
I’m with you on this, both me and a mate had 10000xts at the same time, he suffered with line twist and I didn’t at all, we thought it was his line at the time, he was using a daiwa mono and I was using a Gardner mono, so he started using the same Gardner mono as me but still suffered with line twist! He thought it was the way he was spooling up so I even spooled up his 3 reels in my back garden for him the exact same way I’ve done it for 30+ years but he was still getting line twist! So same line, same reels same technique of re spooling, In the end the only other variable was that he played his fish on the clutch and I’ve always played my fish on backwind, so that’s what we put it down to
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In reply to Post #36
Its a real shame that you had that issue
Ive still got my set that I got in 2006 and ive had a few others sets as well. Never had any issues. I still love using them and belive them to be the best reel shimano has ever made
Retrieve is a bit slow, but that's being really picky
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In reply to Post #35
Double post
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In reply to Post #35
I’m still convinced it was something to do with the line rollers, it couldn’t be anything else. Tried different lines, leads etc, nothing made a blind bit of difference. Never had an issue with other reels with slow oscillation either. Was only ever the 10,000’s. My mates were fine and he never had an issue, in fact he only sold them on recently, 20 years old and got a fortune for them, way more than he paid originally.
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In reply to Post #33
I know many people swear its a thing, but reels only store, release, and then retrieve line.
They cannot make a well spooled line decide to become twisted.
The only way line can be made to twist on a reel is excessive use of a baitrunner or slack drag, or if someone reels in against a lightly set drag and makes the spool spin under tension.
I have also had issues with hex shaped leads causing twist.
I have also heard that "wrapping up" can add twist, but can't be certain.
I always reel in and then hold the rod tip near vertical and see if the lead wants to spin.
It's vital to hold the rod up at least 45° or more when reeling in and with minimal tip bounce to ensure the tension in the rod prevents too much of the twisted line from getting onto the reel. This will then compress much of the twist into the last few yards.
As you reel in you compress most of any line twist into the last rod length.
When you are rebaiting and if let your line go slack it can curl up like crazy!
If the lead does spin then its trying to unwind the twist, so help it to untwist further by spinning the lead in that same direction many times.
This is adding counter twist. Now flick the lead out 20yds and allow the extra amount of counter twist spread out along the loose line.
Now reel in and hold the lead up, it will be much better behaved.
I have always done this, similar idea to a spin doctor but this works much better.
I remember daiwa celebrating their launch of 'Twistbuster" line rollers to "eliminate" line twist, but the reality is it just allows twisted line to return to the spool without birdnesting in front of the reel. The reel is still storing the twisted line so not much has changed.
Shimano just call it a power roller.
All line will twist, but its how you manage and look after it that sorts out the issue before it becomes a bigger problem.!
The bottom line is ALWAYS hold the rod up once reeled in and check to see if your lead it trying to untwist, and if so, then help it by adding counter twist 🤓
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In reply to Post #32
likewise i still have 7 of them which ive used for over 20 years and the only issue i had with line twist turned out to be the spool of mainline which also acted the same on my daiwa reels
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In reply to Post #32
There were posts on here about it at the time, a few suffered badly, lots never had an issue. I don’t think it was ever worked out. My mate tried to help me out, We walked out and unloaded my entire spool along a boating lake then reeled it all in through the water with nothing on the end but just at slight tension through a wet cloth. That should be as good as you can get line on a spool, first cast 40yds with it clattering through the rings, curled up all over the show. Just weird??
Never had it with any other reel and I’ve had a lot.
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In reply to Post #31
That's really odd. I had seven 10000XT's and none of them created line twist.
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In reply to Post #30
I was the opposite, couldn’t get rid quick enough. Lovely looking reels but the worst line twist I’ve ever had. Nothing would stop it, even replaced the rollers as I was convinced something had to be wrong.
Had some original silver tech mag xsa’s as well, which had no line twist issues but were so delicate, something seemed to break on them every few weeks. Think I kept Felindre in business whilst I had them.
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In reply to Post #9
Massive regret of mine, should never have sold mine, best feels I ever had were 10000xt
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In reply to Post #28
The forum would be a boring place if it we had to strictly keep to the original post.
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In reply to Post #25
. . .you asked the question . . !
The beauty of the forum - posts can meander like a chalk stream . . .
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I almost ordered some Tech MgS XTDs the other day. I avoided buying them when they first came out incase they were cheaper looking/feeling than the previous XTC's.
Also a mate who got them complained immediately about that plastic bit behind the spooling coming out (his broke)
I have stuck with XTB MgS. I had 4 when they first came into the country (was on Erics Angling list to get the second set they got hold of). Then after seeing the XTC were a bit plastic looking I decided to get 3 more XTBs secondhand so I had spares reels.
I've been waiting for the next generation of Tech MgS to come out, but only to scratch-an-itch, I don't need them. The XTBs do everything I need (except cast 160 yards, but that's on me, I struggle to get 130!)
I've still got an original set of Basias (QD45). Never liked them. Daiwa (back then) didn't do great clutches....and with Shimano being renowned in the cycling world for their gears it made sense to go with Shimano for an item which was very 'gear centric'
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In reply to Post #25
I use a quick clip set up, which I like to keep on (ex. hooklink) in the rod bag.
So I'm having to clip the quick change lead clip to my loop \ reel handle but I insist on having the spool tight\down to the Reel Body to negate debris into the Reel \ Spool.
When I pack up, aligning everything with slow oscillation makes this all a PITA
Amongst the other things mentioned in this thread.....
Dunno if this makes sense - I'm late \ tired, why did I bother typing this lol. :D
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In reply to Post #24
All fair points, though I'm quite confused how the thread has become a debate on ultra slow oscillation!
But in the spirit of other topics... with respect to the reel handle thing, it's not a necessity by any means. Keeping the handles on is just fine in the Compac bag, but taking them off means there is more space in the reel area and - at worst - adds a minute or two to pack down / setup time. Just something I like to do, as you like to align your spools, and not in any way particular to these reels...
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