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In reply to Post #25
Quote... What inclusion ratio, in what recipe, would rip waters apart ??? I’m praying Mark T-Carper answers
We don't use it inside bait recipes in that powdered form. It's so soluble. It will just boil away during cooking like so much good stuff does. Dissolves into virtually anything whatsoever liquid wise though, it's that soluble. We only use it in the liquids I make. It's just very highly concentrated CSL, without the water content. Try adding enough warm water to just dilute it and use it as a bait soak after you take your bait from the freezer would be your best bet.
It's good stuff.
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In reply to Post #24
Quote... Corn steep liquor powder is spray dried and is Yellow like gold dust
There are two different types of CSL powder. Refined & normal. The normal is that bright yellow. The refined CSL powder is far darker, as in the bags below.
That's why you will see bright yellow CSL, and in other cases far darker almost brown CSL.
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In reply to Post #25
I usually use the powder at 5% along with additional csl liquid in the base mix. One massive edge I can give you is that csl goes extremely well with fishmeal (harking back to old Mainline Grange CSL day).
For loose feed get some pellets (I prefer trout pellets) and pour some liquid csl over them so they are all thoroughly coated and then give them a dusting with brocacel yeast powder. The pellets absorb some of the csl and the brocacel sticks to the outside of them . They will go a bit softer but a hard squeeze should allow you to form some sort of ball. In the water they kick out a big cloud of attraction drawing carp in. One forum member on here who I passed this onto has been doing extremely well with this method catching multiple fish up to over 45lb in a session.
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What inclusion ratio, in what recipe, would rip waters apart ???
I’m praying Mark T-Carper answers 😂🤣😂🤞🤞🤞
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In reply to Post #23
Corn steep liquor powder is spray dried and is Yellow like gold dust very fine hygroscopic powder (must be kept in a tight hermetic container or the powder become rock hard after 2 or 3 months)
Very acidic and high in free alanine…
Very very good attractor.
Here in France, Roquette produce it, the product is called solulys095e
Don’t use too much as it make the past sticky (very soluble)
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In reply to Post #21
😱it's real! Not just a figment of Abibaba's AI generated listings
Just a shame it's financially unviable to ship...
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In reply to Post #18
It was produced at Cargill's in Manchester as a by-product of ethanol production, it ceased as they changed the plant apparently.
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In reply to Post #19
The chinese vendor I contacted on Alibaba listed 1kg foil sealed packs at £1.50 > 25kg, lower and lower with quantity.
premix or retail packs?
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In reply to Post #18
Globally the amount of CSL liquid being produced, the CSL powder must be getting used somewhere, for something, the ingredient/by product seems to be too useful to waste, and potentially too costly to pay for tonnes of it to be taken away.
Corn steep liquor powder can not only be used for industrial use such as pharmaceutical fermentation and feed fermentation, but also as an organic fertilizer rich in organic matter, which can provide nutrients needed for crop growth, and can fertilize and improve soil.
I wonder why the supply seems to have dried up towards the UK supplier/s ?
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In reply to Post #17
I know, 10-15+ years ago it was often quoted in ingredient lists.
Thoughts are, as per Marcus Watts- the European supply quite literally dried up.
Is the UK animal feed market primarily a wet process?
CCM was at the top of the market, retail and trade?
A lot of the small early noughties set-ups were rolling baits with CCMs ingredients and almost anyone selling ingredients were using them or at very least the blurb direct from CCMs website..
Hence it was widely available.
Whilst CCM moved on to selling rolled baits- they haven't removed CSL powder from their greatly reduced ingredient list🤔
Now around the UK and across Europe to my eyes AA are the main supplier and if they don't sell it..no body else has it.
Although I have no idea why a company with such a wide range doesn't.
Maize gluten protein, CSL liquid..why not a pallet or two of CSL powder in the shipments?
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In reply to Post #16
Other than CCMoore and Marcus Watt's, I cannot believe after online searching, that no-one else in the U.K. seems to supply the CSL Powder, and yet the liquid is so popular.
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In reply to Post #15
I'm not that obsessive, the bait works without resorting to craft ingredients.
Paying less would be good👍
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In reply to Post #14
I'm pretty certain he states he has the last container of the OG CSL and that is why the powdered version is only on sale occasionally through the year in small quantities.
Although he does also say he has worked out how to produce his own CSL once his supply runs dry.
He also makes his own beef liver powder and crab powder.
Small fresh batches made in house in the UK. Thats what you are paying for.
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In reply to Post #13
skipped though 1 & 2 quickly, interesting and listenable but not three hours.
Missed the powder discussion, CSL came from Ireland, basically a waste product at transport cost!
then Europe, Poland but confirmed that now most CSL liquid comes from India from corn starch production.
Look at a producers website and both are often by-products of the ethanol process.
As per his Mirage website though ..they scrape the solid out of the IBCs, dry and mill it.
£65/kg in 100g pots.
Gets more for the sludge in the bottom than the liquid.
Listening to the converstaion it's about reactivating the CSL and allowing it to break itself down further.
Buying power was mentioned.
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