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Thanks for the information & suggestions.
I've recently got back into making my own hook baits & will probably progress to rolling my own boilies again.
No doubt I'll be stinking the place out with various concoctions & thoroughly p***ing my neighbours off in no time. 
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In reply to Post #20
You could add some black pepper, some garlic, maybe a little fenugreek to that too at much lower levels than the paprika hot.
Heat it all up like Ashley said, add a small amount of funky chilli oil, or some hemp oil... I bet you end up making something far better than RR, for a fraction of the cost, always available to you personally on an ongoing basis & pretty unique to you.
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Heat the paprika (or any spices) in a spoonful of cooking oil (corn or sunflower is A1 for carp). This releases a lot of the natural flavours, oleoresins and oils. Smell before and after, the difference will amaze you. Use in bait mix immediately.
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In reply to Post #19
Sssshhh don't tell everyone!
I'll give it a try. Thank you.
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In reply to Post #18
Quote...Sometimes the little bits can make a big difference!
Ok then mate. A dash of vegetable oil and a bit of powdered betaine... These are items cheaper than the Paprika itself 
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In reply to Post #10
"Just because some famous angler likes a RR fishmeal.... That does not mean that RR is anything more than Paprika with some extra little bits added"
Sometimes the little bits can make a big difference! 
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In reply to Post #14
Paprika thats what gives my white S3 that fire ball kind of taste.. 
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In reply to Post #15
feel free to send those brown S3 to me.............more than happy to use a brown bait over red!!!!!
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In reply to Post #14
When I say brown, I am talking about the finished hook baits, not the colour of the Paprika in the bag. It would have been returned if it came to us brown. If you simply Google Paprika, then look at all the various brands I doubt no two are the same shade.
The brown baits were produced from a 5kg bag that was orangey coloured. A 5kg bag of Paprika will produce literally 100's if not 1000's of tubs of hook baits, even going into the mix at 33%. We buy all of our ingredients in much smaller quantities than a freezer bait roller would. Hook baits are different. I don't like stuff laying around either. Fresh is always best with spices. They lose a lot of their natural oils once they age a bit.
I have around seventy tubs of brown S3 at work, that can't be sold. That's £1470 worth retail.
That's why we now add a food colour for consistency of colour.
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In reply to Post #12
I generally buy 2-300 kgs at a time from an Indian wholesaler 120 Asta. Its always a good dark orange colour but I notice the difference in the bait if we have to use 100 asta.
Can say never had any that looks brown.
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One little add on. We always use Paprika 'hot'. Which is just bell peppers with the seeds & stalk left on when made. In my findings, carp show a clear preference to the hot version over the sweet Paprika (seeds & stalks removed).
It's no wonder ingredient, that's for certain. But carp absolutely love all spices. Another very oily product that carp are attracted too.
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In reply to Post #11
It all seems to change colour now in my experience.
The stuff we use is extremely high grade, it goes into the restaurant industry. I'm abroad and off the top of my head could not tell you what ASTA it is. Sometimes the 5kg bags of Paprika are orangey, sometimes it's pale red. All from the same company.
One thing it NEVER is anymore, is dark, deep red like it ALWAYS used to be. Kind of like RR.
Chefs now add a red dye to certain dishes that took colouring from Paprika I am told.
Next time you go into the supermarket, look at bags of Paprika on the shelf. If there are bags with different dates on (from different batches) the bags will be completely different shades from the same producer. I even changed our supplier for a short while, thinking it was them. It was not them.
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In reply to Post #10
Some of the highest quality Paprika comes from Hungary ,though the Spanish is more commonly found here in the UK , The higher the Asta the better and more expensive it is .
In the context of paprika, "ASTA" refers to a colour scale established by the American Spice Trade Association (ASTA) to measure the brightness or intensity of the red colour in paprika. Higher ASTA numbers indicate a brighter, more vibrant red colour, which is generally associated with higher quality paprika.
Having had an interest in Carp attraction for rather a long time ,i do believe that the higher the Asta in the paprika the more attractive it is to carp.
It is fairly common to have 100 asta you can also find 120 asta Paprika with 240 asta can be found with Google and maybe higher , this may well be the best for use in bait.
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In reply to Post #7
Quote....hence some baits changing to a brown from a red.
And here's a strange coincidence for you.
At exactly the same time as what you mention happening with RR losing it's deep red colour because the dye in it was banned... Exactly the same thing happened with Paprika which also lost it's dark red colour dye. Funny coincidence that.
We have never used RR in any of our hook baits. There are far better and more economically sound products out there in my opinion. We do use a very heavy dose of human grade Paprika in our red S3. At the same time as RobinRed lost it's dye that made it that bright red.... So did Paprika. What does that tell you exactly? It tells me exactly what I have always known anyway, also what others have alluded to in this thread.
Paprika is Spanish red peppers. It's a spice that carp love. The dye was added for human eyesight. A natural product is always changing colour at different times of the year, so until Euro law changes it was always dyed dark red. Consistency on an eyesight basis is important for humans.
The dye makes no difference whatsoever to Paprikas effectiveness to carp IMO. We now add a human grade red food colouring to our red S3. Otherwise, sometimes they would be a pale red, other times they would be brown. This makes absolutely ZERO difference to the fish whatsoever. But it does effect anglers confidence that something has changed in the bait.
Just because some famous angler likes a RR fishmeal.... That does not mean that RR is anything more than Paprika with some extra little bits added. If he had been given a Paprika fishmeal for free back in the day instead of a RR fishmeal... He would have loved that just the same when it brought exactly the same results.
If you want to pay double or three times the price for a certain product when you can achieve the same results without the added carp tax.... That's totally up to you. Never been for me though.
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In reply to Post #8
I believe the fish in the Darenth tip lake back in the day started to turn a shade of Red. After the late Ian Booker absolutely filled it in with a bait containing mainly Robin Red.. 
Has the change effected it effectiveness? Who Knows? I for one will continue to use baits containing it that's for sure.
What's the Kingfisher Red like? Is it just a RR copy?
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