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In reply to Post #13
so I'll have to try a SIM, any ones better than others?
I started my search for a alternative SIM (and at the time foam topper mattress too) by looking at ones used in motorhomes & canal boats. I think I came to Outdoor Revolution because they make them for VW Motor homes. I was sorely tempted to get a memory foam mattress custom made by a canal boat outfitter, as they weren't too expensive from memory, but the size if it to transport put me off.
IMO it's worth searching the newer gen sims as they have open cell foam in them too, not just air.
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I do have the trakker super lite as well but I've not tried it with a SIM tbf, I stopped using it for the comfort factor and also the creaking every time I moved and the restrictiveness (possibly due to the big snooze bag I was using perhaps) so I'll have to try a SIM, any ones better than others?
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In reply to Post #5
In your boat get the wide all singing and dancing Solar with sleep system, tons of space. 
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In reply to Post #10
So it should given the Vango costs as much as a bedchair! (My method = half the weight, a quarter of the price and an eighth of the faff.) 
You are correct that buying a bedchair is a dreadful experience - I have bought and sold 2 x Solar beds, a 8 legged flatliner, various Nash / JRC jobbies etc - the current one (Fox R-Series) is the best in terms of width, comfort (with the addition of memory foam zipped in), weight, etc etc...
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In reply to Post #4
SIM’s so overrated. Get yourself a sleep system and zip in a 2” sheet of memory foam. I use the Fox R-Series bed for this and it’s superb
Got to disagree, as with everything you get what you pay for and if used correctly they can make a huge difference. My wife has the Vango Shangri La in 15cm and it's far comfier than any bed chair I've ever owned, so much so I''ve been looking at ways of using it rather than standard mattresses, ie, use a bedchair frame and strapping as the frame/bed support with the VSL on top.
I have a Trakker ELS and the main problem I have is that I'm 16 stone and that creates sag, and you feel the frame. As I like to sleep in a foetal position it created havoc with my knees. I tried a Helium 3.5cm and it made a huge difference, it took up the difference of 1" height between frame and mattress, effectively widening the bed as my knees could go on the frame skirt. Problem was with time it gave me shoulder and back ache as it was fully inflated and hard. A year or so ago I changed the SIM to a outdoor revolution 7.5cm and the difference is amazing. I don't have to have it fully inflated to get the same effect and it's so much more comfy. You do have to get the dimensions of it right though for it to fit your bed chair. I've been on my ELS solidly for the last 3 weeks now (wifes had a op) and my only critique is the SIM can get very warm underneath.
I've been keeping my eye on the Solar SPC Tech since it came out and I'm sorely tempted, but it's heavy and I'm still worried about the frame.
That's the only problem with bedchairs, they're such a expensive mistake to make if you make it. I'd rather buy a light one I can add too rather than a heavy one and then have do the same
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In reply to Post #5
Not at all. I'm 17 stone and use a sleep system
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In reply to Post #1
Have you considered the RLX Superlite? Would assume similar shape to the one you have? I have that with a mountain equipment helium SIM and personally think it works well. Light set up but the SIM helps with comfort.
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In reply to Post #1
Having bounced around trying different bed chairs for years I've come to the same conclusion as below, you can have either comfort or lightweight. The sim is the compromise but it's not always that easy to find one that fits every chair (I've got a JRC lightweight bed which is great but bot found a sim that fits it perfectly)
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In reply to Post #5
110% definitely not an eel! I’m 15 stone, the R-Series is a bit wider (not excessively so) which makes a big difference.
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In reply to Post #4
What are you? An Eel! I'd never get away with that, sleep systems are far too restricting for people carrying a bit of timber.
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SIM’s so overrated. Get yourself a sleep system and zip in a 2” sheet of memory foam. I use the Fox R-Series bed for this and it’s superb.
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In reply to Post #1
Only way to get around it really is a lightweight bed with a self inflatable mattress
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In reply to Post #1
Sadly always going to be a compromise between weight and comfort.
Really nothing does both effectively IMO.
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I currently have a trakker 8 leg rlx system and although comfortable and sturdy, I weighed it the other day and it's coming in at 23kg!
I went to that from a trakker flat bedchair lite version because ironically was too light and sacrificed comfort and now it's the opposite 🙄
So is there a newer bedchair/system that is generally not too heavy and comfortable?
I saw the solar 2 leg bedchair which was about 10kg it stated without a bag and looks comfy but is two legs enough!?
Any others?
I need something capable of holding a well fed physique tho! 🤣
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