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In reply to Post #1 The best rule is: fishing is not allowed
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Thank you all for your very interesting comments! It seems barbless would be a first step but I still wonder that there are not more rules even on your English Club lakes which are light years ahead reg. conservation compared to anything we have here.
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In reply to Post #14 For me that's as much of an issue for birdlife/wildlife out of the water (rigs cast into trees for example). However on cray infested waters they are essential.
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The club water I am on have now put a ban on plastic/artificial type hook baits as they are finding more and more snapped snagged up line with a hook bait still fishing. This ban seems to be cropping up more on other venues for the same reason.
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In reply to Post #7 I think we belong to the same club. However due to the no publicity rule it shall be nameless.
Otherwise he whose name cannot be spoken will put a curse on me.
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In reply to Post #1 As an example - 0.40mm mainline MIN / no braided mainline / any leads over 1.5oz must drop off / tubing (no leaders) / no Ronnie or 360 rigs / micro barbs only (no barbless) / no bent (longshank) hooks / no zigs / no OMC twigs / no metal framed cradles / no fish photography out of the water over a certain weight / camera kit set up prior to fishing etc etc
Tbf I'm surprised more lakes don't ban pure braided hooklinks over a certain length . . . cheesewire in a fishes mouth if its been bullied to the net etc
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In reply to Post #7 I tend to agree being hauled out and hooked in the scissors will deteriorate a mouth quickly barbed or barbless.
My only issue with barbless is they pretty much always come out in the net and using a 50inch deep mesh it can be a ball ache retrieving the rig safely without hooking the carp or me
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In reply to Post #1 Regardless of hook i think a lot of mouth damage is caused lifting the fish out of the water. I use barbless and 9 times out of 10 they fall out when the fish is in the net. I always unhook the fish while its in the net and on the rare occasion i can't get the hook out thenI'll cut the hook link. How many time do you see someone roll the net up with the fish still hooked and lift it out the water, it's just asking for trouble. Regarding rod test curve, I saw a video by Mark Tunley who explained that stiffer rods do less damage than softer rods which bend with a through action.
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Agree with the comments ..
But here goes ,it the calibre of angler on fisheries by this I mean a lot of them can't play fish out correctly, they panic and bully them in on totally over the top test curve rods and reels which have tremendous winching power ..
In short they have watched various YouTube vids for example ,on big waters maybe and transfer this sort of gear / set up to runs type places, and at that point you realise just what damage can be caused by inexperienced, and poorly trained, YouTube influenced people who fish for carp .
There was once an appreciation and apprenticeship of the viable smaller species upon which you'd learn to unhook ,not dislodge mucus and treat all species with respect when you had learnt this you'd move on to tench or carp even,now this is bypassed ,it's big big big or the fish don't count ..
Not just carp,but you see such anglers as Ginger fisherman and George from Rigged and Ready holding perch by the mandible or whatever,again this is from America, and America does not do proper catch care and release ,they don't know how to..
So as I said ,it's poor ,or just rubbish anglers in the main...oh yes,and barbed hooks ,has anyone ever watched a newbie trying to remove a barbed hook ,I have its a very poor thing to witness..
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Instant angler, really nice actioned 4lb+ rods....en trend...what could go wrong.
I'm fishing to snags and the hook opened up...never a thought about the damage it did to the fish...no...must get stronger hooks....just bow hunt if it's catch at all costs and own it.
And the coward celebs holding fish, head angled away from the camera, forgetting to edit the footage prior showing mouth damage, while extolling fishing right up to snags...indeed...on a recent Nash vid it was more humorous to relate to not working out why he couldn't get to his rods because his rib tether rope was in the way...and how the fish got snagged.....now a proclaimed full time Carp Angler, the hobbies in good hands.
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Barbless for me. Also don’t want to spark a debate regards the historical myth that they cause more damage. No way - this was from the old Drayton and Thorpe Lee days when they transferred commercial carp when they got too big for match waters. These poor things were hauled out every other day it wasn’t the hooks.
My syndicate lake has a very good stock, and last year in the netting they caged the majority 90% minimum to remove some of the smaller fish. This lake has ALWAYS been barbless, the owner and the professional company that netted over 2 days were amazed by the condition of the mouths they were perfect. Around 300 fish with the majority over 26lb and not a single trailing rig. not one.
Barbless is pretty much the only rule you need especially on club waters - because it’s a barbless hook no matter what monstrosity your members cast out, with barbless there is a good chance it won’t trail it for long.
I fish barbless everywhere including a club water that is micro barb only, BECAUSE they allow barbless in 10 and under so I use 10s.
The only place for me where there’s a discussion to be had is weedy waters, but even then it’s dependent on the level of anglers you have fishing.
Barbless cause less damage coming out, fish can easily be unhooked in the net and any snap offs have a bloody chance of not being tethered. They are better for fish care.
If ever I had my own water - I’d have three rules, barbless, no bait boats and have a bloody conscious- rather than list the crap and set up people shouldn’t be using say if you think it may be dodgy, there’s your answer. Do you need rules against recasting with a fish in the net, 100 metre baiting poles, drones, loud radios, being in the next postcode, casting in areas you have no chance of landing a fish from surely it’s common sense and courtesy if you need 3 pages of rules you have the wrong members.
So many counter intuitive rules these days to cater for idiots - on some lakes no wading and the margins are 9” rock, all anglers must have Xxx carp care kit but the mat is the size of a face cloth —- phew I needed that.
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In reply to Post #4 As someone on a committee for a local club and who has done some bailiffing in the past, you would be amazed at what some anglers think is OK to do in terms of rigs, fish care etc. I might be perfectly able to fish well with few/no rules but others on the lake might necessitate them.
Good bailiffs make a huge difference with the need for rules including rig checks and good advice
Some rules that I think might help at lakes with less experienced or careless anglers (who haven't been caught yet)
- Minimum breaking strain line (0.35) to prevent crack offs
- Barbless hooks (even if the rig is a tethering risk, fish can get free fairly easily)
- Braid ban (potential for fish damage)
- Leader ban (tethering risk)
- Mats/Nets of appropriate size
Just my thoughts... there are probably other things to add/take away
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My Syndicate insists on barbed hooks to prevent excessive mouth damage.
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It’s not usually the rules (or lack of) that cause issues; it’s the anglers!
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Barbed or barbless hooks has always sparked serious debates between anglers.
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