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essesxandy
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essesxandy
   Old Thread  #38 13 Sept 2025 at 8.53am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #33
No Dave, my rigs are a simple knotless knot mono rig tied out of either 12lb Amnesia or 15lb mono.
AideyKaye
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   Old Thread  #37 12 Sept 2025 at 8.27am  4  Login    Register
In reply to Post #35
I just think the hook imbeds itself in different positions when there is no need to move off the spot on tightly baited areas. I see the same on runs waters when using a large amount of mixers in a tight area. No different in my eyes, and probably why we get done on the top so often. I believe that fish are certainly easier to catch on a single bit of crust than a mixer purely because it moves away and tightens up to the controller. No different whatsoever to why so many are caught on singles and chods over a large spread.

A static fish that does not move away from the baited area will be harder to catch. We hear it so often, especially stories where they have seen the biggun they want to catch so much, just flare its gills and blow the hookbait straight out without moving.

These korda vids show them getting done time and time again. It's not because the rig is awful, it's simply because there is a manufactured baiting situation in place.
reubenmills
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reubenmills
   Old Thread  #36 11 Sept 2025 at 4.46pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #35
Would have likely been using a bait boat for these so 1 small dump of bait
whataclonker
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whataclonker
   Old Thread  #35 11 Sept 2025 at 4.26pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #30
"the way carp feed will have a massive impact"

I agree & also think that tight spreads of bait in close proximity to the hookbait will increase the chances of getting a bad hold.
reubenmills
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reubenmills
   Old Thread  #34 11 Sept 2025 at 4.15pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #31
It was using Jason Haywood Curve hooks, on a sort of Slip D type rig and wafters ( Mike Holly rig on the ESP channel )

Prior to that was using bank tackle wide gape hooks and just don't remember losing as many.
But like I said it's a hard low ish stock lake so a bit hard to quantify losses as your not catching many fish and not like I was writing down the losses / hook pulls etc
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #33 11 Sept 2025 at 3.00pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #32
Are you using a hook kicker, shrink or sbf type to create a curved? If so, then that will sort it.
essesxandy
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essesxandy
   Old Thread  #32 11 Sept 2025 at 2.44pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #31
Conversely I fish almost exclusively with straight point, straight shank hooks and rarely suffer from 'hook pulls'.
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #31 11 Sept 2025 at 11.37am  0  Login    Register
Years ago i used to drop plenty of fish on my drennan super specialist in 6 and 4.
Over sharp certainly wasn't the problem...
A straight pointed hook with a straight shank did little to aid the hook point to penetrate because the angle of pull wasn't in line with the hook point.
During the fight the hook would flex slightly and open a fraction and allow the fish to drop off.
I landed a few fish that had little tear/cuts around where the hook had finally penetrated.
This indicates the hook was skidding along before finally getting a grip and penetrating, or the fish being dropped.
I sorted this by putting a slow bend into the shank, basically modifying the hook into a curved shank, with the point much more inline with the eye.

I now only use a curved shank or beaked point hook. I do hand sharpen when needed and rarely drop a fish.
I have to wonder if the people who are dropping fish on hand sharpened hooks are using straight points with straight shanks...
AideyKaye
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   Old Thread  #30 11 Sept 2025 at 10.17am  0  Login    Register
I think hook patterns and the way carp feed will have a massive impact. Fish that feed in silt will feed/filter in a different way to carp that feed and move between baits on gravel and clay. I've had many hook pulls on a clay bottomed venue over tight spreads of bait, too many to ignore. One night losing six fish to hook pulls on a Cryogen pattern that i'd not had issues with on other venues. Certain patterns just suit beds of particle, others suit snowman rigs with freebies over a wider area.
thicky
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   Old Thread  #29 11 Sept 2025 at 5.12am  0  Login    Register
Ive used sharpened hooks for over 30 years by either jason haywood or nowdays the kamakuru by korda and can honestly say in my oppinion it does not have any part in hookpulls. Having never sharpened a hook myself i have no idea if the way a hook is sharpened has any bearing on a hook pulling as in a right and wrong way to file a hook.
whataclonker
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whataclonker
   Old Thread  #28 10 Sept 2025 at 9.29am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #24
It does actually make sense in regards to leverage but to me there's other variables at play.

Wouldn't the softer or harder a rod is, also change the way in which the pressure is applied to the fish? A softer rod being more gradual (even if it is more) & a harder being more abrupt?

It would also affect how the fish responds & how you decide to play the fish etc. The variables aren't constant & there's so many different scenarios, I find it difficult to see it as black or white .

& As B says, a soft rod acts as a shock absorber for lunges.

Its certainly interesting to think about!

I won't be buying any longer & stiffer rods soon though.
whataclonker
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whataclonker
   Old Thread  #27 9 Sept 2025 at 8.46pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #26
I see your point!
inzenity
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inzenity
   Old Thread  #26 9 Sept 2025 at 2.30pm  0  Login    Register
You could atgue that ultra sharp hooks lead to faster hooking and thus increase the chance for superficial hooking leading to pulls, where a less sharp hook in the same scenario would kinda slip and not lead to superficial hooking. So ultra sharp hooks hook more, but that could be the downside. And of course there are many other factors in play, but hookwise this could be an explanation.
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #25 8 Sept 2025 at 8.56pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #24
I know about leverage and lever lengths.
But he's saying for the same amount of pull.... and this is where the extra powerful rods can add more pressure, and the stiffer tip is much less forgiving when a fish lunges.
audiguypaul
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audiguypaul
   Old Thread  #24 8 Sept 2025 at 8.32pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
Might find this interesting re heavy action or stiff rods and hook pulls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf17UE7nNNU
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