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In reply to Post #13
Try a size 6 or 8, they will go in easier, had a 102lb cat on a size 6 barbless last year so they are definitely strong enough.
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In reply to Post #13
Happeneing with size 4, wow. I don't tend to fish anything smaller than 8 nowadays, and as of the last few years it'd been a 4 Krank a lot of the time on method, here and abroad.
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In reply to Post #9
Thanks - will have a ponder.
Lead wise it's happened on both light leads, maybe 1.5/2oz and also heavier 3.5
Hooks generally I use a 4, couldn't go any smaller than that in France and has generally done me well in the UK also!
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In reply to Post #6
Using slip d type rigs, size 4 curve shank so far from small hooks.
In general almost all the fish I have landed on that setup are hooked plum in the middle of the bottom lip, I don't lose many fish at all really.. Think I just struggle to get my head around the ones that have been on for a little while, be it 30 seconds or a few minutes and then the hook comes out.
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In reply to Post #4
Can I ask the reasoning behind swapping over to standard hooks when snag fishing?
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In reply to Post #1
found the paul hayward hooks perfect not too sharp that they turn in custard like the pathetic korda ones .Had loads of big fish in weed infested waters in france and never had a issue with them they are my fav hooks
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I think like others that your set up and sharp hook is getting you chances that you may otherwise not have got, so whilst not ideal I’d keep doing exactly the same as long as the ones I landed were occasionally spot on hookhold wise.
If as we have been told and seen, regards getting done, you have on occasions turned these into a hooked fish- on occasions like these we’ve all thought I wish the hook was this or that, or the hook length, line etc was stronger, but I think you’ve got to believe in some of the science regards getting the take, I fish with people who land pretty much 100% of hooked fish, but they get less chances - it does come down to user choice for me.
I think barbless 8s or 10s, line aligned on a combi rig are devastating and my go to rig in many situations, I think the size and sharpness of my hook gives me more chances, that the movement in hookbait helps. I have also had enough well nailed fish to know it absolutely does what I want. Doesn’t stop me wishing that I could have the same results on a size 4 with some rope braid and 20lb mainline.
Breakages I find unforgivable- hook pulls - part of the game and the only time I tweak is when they are happening regularly even then I think that’s done to a change in fish feeding so look at other factors like lead weight, baiting strategies, indicator set up.
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In reply to Post #1
try a much heavier lead & drop it ?
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If by hook pulls we're talking that the hook just loses its hold and comes out and not "opening up" - I highly doubt it is due to sharpening when done right.
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In reply to Post #1
Just me thinking aloud, personally I think the sharpness of the hook is probably what's getting you the bites but it's probably the application of the pattern or rig choice that's responsible for losing them. Sounds to me like they're only just hooked and a ultra sharp hook will catch very easily while another may not. I don't really buy into hook pulls (there's a but) in general if not a position issue for me its too small a hook/the hook not going deep enough for a good hold.
The 'but' sometimes it just happens and as you can't see what's going on its all conjecture, only if you change something and it stops on the whole can you probably say 'thats' what caused it.
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In reply to Post #3
Slightly off topic but…..
I lost 2 big barbel last season on curve shank hooks. And barbel rarely come off ! Losing fish on very low stock venues is BAD news.
Subsequently I found out about a friend of my fishing mate who lost a run of barbel last year when he tried curve shank hooks…..as soon as he changed hooks they all stayed on.
In mitigation, I have caught some big carp on curve shanks (slightly sharpened by me).
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Snag fishing and heavy weed I avoid very sharp hooks. Lost a few to hook pulls. Went to out the packet and never dropped another
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Personally think this has more to do with the pattern of hook. I used hand sharpened esp curves and also lost a few. Wide gape kamakura beaked and it’s been good.
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In reply to Post #1
The other thing you’ve gotta ask yourself, is how many of those fish that fell off wouldn’t even have got hooked in the first place on less sharp hooks? Unless you’ve got underwater cameras set up, you’re never gonna know.
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For most of this season and last I've been using hand sharpened hooks ( Jason hayward curved mostly) and I've lost a few fish in the UK and France with hook pulls.
A couple have come off fairly soon after lifting into the fish, and a couple have just let go after having the fish on the hook for some time.
Or course you then spend time dwelling on how it's happened etc, sometimes you can figure it out due to rig being twisted etc, often just put it down to one of those things that happens in fishing.
But I've seen 2 videos lately where people have advised against using them in certain situations where you potentially could pull out of a fish, weedy waters for instance where you need to be fairly hard on the fish.
Does this have any merit to it? The UK lake I fished is choked with weed at the moment so generally fishing into small holes, tips up, everything fairly well locked down... Which also makes me wonder about the ones I lose as feel that setup should aid in hooking the fish?
France the other week fishing mostly open water but still have drag set pretty tight as don't want them going too far before I get to the rod.
Just wondering about others views on them, if there's situations where you don't use them etc. I realise some fish will just not be hooked how you'd like for whatever reason, some may have overly hard or soft mouths meaning hooks might not set correctly.
Just been hard to deal with this year when my UK lake has done about 20 bites all year and in France it could have easily been a lump that's been lost!
Only time I wouldn't use them if fishing over gravel as the point does turn easily, but that doesn't apply to any of my current lakes.
I've had plenty of fish on these hooks and may have just been unlucky with a few this year 🤣
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