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Beyonce
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   Old Thread  #11 21 Feb 2024 at 12.41pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #10
If they put a tapered sinker onto the leader for a no trace style bead they would be fine. Without they are pointless, by the time you get a sinker over that fused section itís stretched out and wonít grip the line properly.
Spod
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Spod
   Old Thread  #10 21 Feb 2024 at 12.40pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #8
And that fused part is why the Gemini ones aren't safe IMO. If you need a degree of force to get a bead or something similar over the fused part the same degree of force is needed the other way.

A no-trace bead could solve the issue but the loop on the gemini ones is also quite large so a standard sized swivel will still take some effort to get over this and the fused part. The Korda leader, although thicker is much better.
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #9 20 Feb 2024 at 6.38pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #8
They are basically a length of fluorocarbon with a fused loop, just use a length of fluoro instead and back to back grinner it to the mainline, problem solved
Rarebit
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   Old Thread  #8 20 Feb 2024 at 11.33am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
You can, but it's getting them over the fused part that's the issue.
jhhilton1983
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jhhilton1983
   Old Thread  #7 20 Feb 2024 at 2.12am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Im pretty sure you can buy stoppers and beads for this from Gemini
Rarebit
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   Old Thread  #6 19 Feb 2024 at 7.56pm  1  Login    Register
I've looked at these leaders for heli safes, cutting and crimping the leader was the only I could think of getting the tapered bead on, so I just bought the safezones instead
Hudson
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Hudson
   Old Thread  #5 19 Feb 2024 at 5.23am  1  Login    Register
A large Korda rig sinker. You can always bite the split head a bit to make sure itís snug if necessary. Donít bite too hard and make it too tight though
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #4 18 Feb 2024 at 9.14am  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I would suggest a self tied fluorocarbon leader with the heli safe system and naked type no trace beads, I use Berkley trilene fluorocarbon leader
Beyonce
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   Old Thread  #3 17 Feb 2024 at 7.12pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I found the same conundrum. Ended up using tungsten putty on the line with one of the Korda split beads. Not ideal as I thought it might slip on hitting the water (but never did in the few times I used it)

Went back to leadcore in the end as I was getting tangles with the fluoro leaders. Canít say it changed what I caught much
Elltell85
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Elltell85
   Old Thread  #2 16 Feb 2024 at 9.06pm  1  Login    Register
They do a rubber thread on bead but I wouldn't use that on a helisafe rig.. only on a fixed lead scenario... I would steam shrink tube and 4mm bead over that for heli safe
shockleader
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shockleader
   Old Thread  #1 12 Feb 2024 at 9.21am    Login    Register
I'm fishing a clear, shallow, silty lake for some pressured carp. Tried the korda dark matter helisafe leaders in clear with some success last year. First time I'd tried the helisafe system after years of trying other drop off systems and found them to be very good. Gemini Tackle do a leader with a half swivel that they say is compatible with the helisafe, but there's no stopper or bead incorporated on the leader. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a stopper on the leader that won't move easily on the cast? I was thinking of pushing some silicone tubing on and then shrinking some shrink tube over it and then using a no trace bead?? Any other suggestions? Thanks.
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