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In reply to Post #84
Agree you don't have to spend tons of money....but with all due respect, although there are some very good budget rods around, (I personally love the Shimano TX2) you know the difference.
Each to their own though!
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In reply to Post #84
I’d agree and disagree with that. Some casting rods perform way better than others. But I’d do the same. Only because if I was fishing stupid ranges week in week out I’d rather blow up a set of £300 rods than £1300.
And the abuse they take id happily push the cheaper rods to there limits. But if money was no object I’d use the better material and better tool for the job.
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In reply to Post #83
Don’t get me wrong, I was also under the impression that you had to pay a guy in a shed £1300 to get three good casting rods. I’ve paid that or around that for several sets of rods over the years. I’d never tried a cheap set of casting rods.
All I’m saying is that for long range *casting* these £120 rods perform at least as well and in my case I found them better.
To get tackle that does a great job you don’t have to spend tons of money these days. If you want to be flash it’s always going to be more expensive.
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In reply to Post #81
Can I have a pint of what you are on please.... 
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In reply to Post #81
Wow .
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In reply to Post #79
In this case yes, as I already have a set of Aviators. As a tool to cast a baited rig beyond 120/30 yards the cheap Kaizen are (in my experience) a better rod than the Aviator. The rings are junk, they don’t have a tarty weave, but they will put a lead a long way accurately and easily.
As I said earlier, I was in a field, so didn’t play a fish, but a load of old cobblers is spoken about fish playing action too.
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In reply to Post #71
Only if it was the turbo 
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In reply to Post #78
So you are seriously saying if i offered you three aviators at the same price of three kaizen greens you would say no ?
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In reply to Post #77
*for casting at range*
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In reply to Post #75
Id tell him to get whatever he wants to get that he can afford. The post i answered stated he would rather have the kaizen green over an aviator even if it was the same price .
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In reply to Post #75
2 cheap and good distance rods
Helicals and tx2s , will do everything needed for upto 160-170 yards
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In reply to Post #71
genuine question, my mates looking for three distance rods, he's looked at the tx2, he's waiting to see a set of these rods....if you wouldn't recommend the the kaizen greens, what would you recommend for that type of mo ey as not everyone can afford Audi rs6
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In reply to Post #71
I don’t blame a rod builder for perpetuating the myth that a carp rod needs to be anything but a half decent bit of bendy carbon for slinging leads as far as the fish. We all have bills to pay. It’s the people who eat it up and regurgitate.
Fly rods are obviously different.
I’d feel like less of a plonker sitting in the Uno so I’d probably take that. We’re all different. 
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In reply to Post #71
His post is probably part of his stand up routine.
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In reply to Post #70
Yeah and id take a fiat uno over a audi rs6 !
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If I had to fish consistently over 120 yards I would take the Korda rods over the Aviators, even at the same money. Would prefer smaller guides, but who really cares. So much b**locks written about rods and reels, they are just a tool for a job.
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I picked up the 12ft spod rod yesterday. Seemed a lot of rod for the money.
I'm sure they will sell thousands.
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Had the chance to try these out 12ft 3.5lb rods out
Got to say I really liked them I reached the same distance as my longbows tbh they look identical mmmm
If I was in the market I would seriously think about these
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Not seen a single set of Kaizen greens for sale second hand ! Not even a single set on eBay for sale.
I thought they looked and felt good for £100 a rod .
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In reply to Post #64
My post (#2) was a statement, I didn't ask for a reply...
And I wasn't the one who mentioned returning them to the shop, that was another poster if you check back.....I am pretty much OK on retail law thanks. 
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In reply to Post #63
LOL , your the one who mentioned you'd seen them for sale , looking for replies !
You didn't seem to know that you can't just return items because you changed your mind (unless mail order)
Not argumentative just answering your posts -that's what forums are about .
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In reply to Post #62
Why so defensive/argumentative? Wierd 
I couldn't really care less to be honest, I was just saying that I had seen a few sets up for sale, brand new with tags. I haven't claimed the Kaizen Greens are crap or anything else....
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In reply to Post #60
read my post 53 !
who knows why their for sale new with tags , could be smaller dealers with no web present ,competition wins ,pre orders but changed their mind .
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In reply to Post #59
Then you would expect them to state so in the listing, afterall, if you are trying to sell something you don't want you would be keen to convince the buyer you weren't selling because they were a load of tat....
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In reply to Post #58
I think they do....especially if via mail order, (distance selling regs).....
Surely if anyone was buying from a shop they would make certain they were fully happy before going to the checkout......
TFT's returns are quite black and white;
To be entitled to a full refund or exchange, we must have received the returned item in unused condition in the original packaging within 30 days of you taking delivery.
I purchased a £2K BaitBoat a couple of years ago from TFT, decided it was too big and asked them if I could return it. They refunded without any issue whatsoever....
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In reply to Post #56
Sound like competition wins
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In reply to Post #56
If they have purchased from a shop and changed their mind then the shop doesn't have to accept the return ,hence why they could be for sale privately.
(simple consumer law)
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In reply to Post #53
Sets I have seen are "brand new with tags"....
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In reply to Post #54
Yes i have changed guides and reel seats on a set for a well known angler those guides are cheap bendy rubbish .
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Not the greens but sure i’ve seen on John Hennessy web page that he’s done custom kaizens for both Damien Clarke and Tom Dove. If they don’t use the factory built rods wheat does it tell you about the components being used and aren’t they the same rings etc on the greens, its just the blank that’s different.
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In reply to Post #4
Maybe they used them ,can't just return an for a refund because you decide you changed your mind (unless purchased online/mail order)
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In reply to Post #42
On what basis could you return them and want your money back? You don’t like them? Not a valid reason to return something unless you can prove they aren’t fit for purpose, which is very subjective.
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In reply to Post #50
My mate who uses TX2's had a cast with the greens and said the same. Although I guess it depends what you want them for as the TX2 are a little bit pokey.
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Not used these but have viewed them in a shop. the feel cheap. Which they are so fully expected but based just on feel and materials used I'd say these are a tier below the tx2.
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In reply to Post #47
Behave!
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In reply to Post #46
Performance wise there would probably be very little between the two.
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In reply to Post #41
Not sure how you can compare cheap blanks with cheap fittings to high end blanks with quality fittings.. 2 very different things
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In reply to Post #44
Oh well never mind.
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In reply to Post #43
Well I don't care if you belive me or not.
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In reply to Post #41
Sorry mate, struggling to believe you. A top named rod builder would struggle to stay in business based on whst you've said.
Name them.
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In reply to Post #2
Where? I am not into these rods (I have Harrisons) but like someone else wrote, people would just return them.
I've been on ebay and they have these roads on there, but they are new rods, sold by shops.
I'm no massive fan of Korda at all, but is this really happening already?
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In reply to Post #40
All sets was bulit by well know rod builders. Yes what I am saying is its not worth paying all that money to buy customs when you can get rods that korda have brought out.
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In reply to Post #38
Far less likely with a decent rod builder though
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In reply to Post #37
He’s saying just because you pay more and custom build they still can go wrong
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In reply to Post #36
I've read your post 6 times and still dont know what you're trying to tell us.🤷
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Well I have had 4 sets and one set refurbished of custom rods and I won’t buy another set over £1200 a set Had 3 sets go white So the next set I buy will be off the shelf bargain rods
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In reply to Post #34
Was he being paid to?
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In reply to Post #13
really that frank warick chap says they are great?
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In reply to Post #26
Aye Martin those blanks are something else.
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In reply to Post #10
The market for high end rods is busier than ever. You just have to look at the waiting times to get custom rods built to see there still as popular as ever. Mass produced daiwa rids do go for very much second hand.
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In one way or another you get what you pay for, what one rod will offer in distance it will lack in another department - not responsive when playing a fish or being heavy. Some will come apart after a season or two where cheaply built won’t last.
Having had lots of sets of rods over the years, I would say from experience get a rod that suits your needs - be it distance requirements, buy price or quality.
Jeff built me a set of rods recently, stunning finish and simply just quality. I am confident they will last for 20yrs as I look after my kit, and they will give me 10 x the pleasure in using them for what I paid for them (same as off the shelf price for exactly how I wanted them personally).
Very seldom does a more expensive rod catch you more fish unless for specific circumstances like fishing at extreme distances, fish with the rods you have got until you can save to buy the rods you desire if that’s what you want out of it all.
Most of all enjoy yourself 👍
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In reply to Post #24
Oh and i forgot 2 fly rods at £350 each 👍
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In reply to Post #23
He was wrong about everyone being skint too then 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Must be just him.
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In reply to Post #20
This morning actually , 2 sets last week ,3 sets the week before 2 matching spod rods and marker rods, a chimera no 3 and two 3 piece 9ft 2.75s.all gone and mostly to forum members
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In reply to Post #20
What a load of rubbish.
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In reply to Post #20
I think what your saying is that the bubble has burst this £400 to £500 a rod is absolutely ridiculous the same as most of carp fishing tackle this £1000.00 for a bivvy I think a lot of people feel it’s a rip off I’ve heard loads of people on here saying
So if other companies are making decent tackle a lot cheaper then good luck to them it’s about time the others had a big wake up
I see a hoodie for £100 there treating us as idiots
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In reply to Post #12
Ok when did you last try to sell some high end rods then.
My Daiwa infinitys which are mint and cost me a bargain 400 quid each have been on tackletrader for months and aren't selling.
Could be that they are sh*te (which they aren't)
Could be that the country as a whole is bolloxed and no one has any money to spend.
Or it may be that you can buy way cheaper rods now with slightly less performance.
I bet if you ask a retailer how many bargain bucket rods they sell compared to Harrison... Free spirit etc it'll be 100 to 1.
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In reply to Post #17
Sega did though  (nicely edited from Sonic to Sonik  )
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In reply to Post #15
Some people would buy Green dog **** if Danny told them too.
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In reply to Post #16
I don't think Sonik make anything.
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In reply to Post #13
Any particular reason or are you just a rod snob?
I think they make decent rods for the price personally.
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Well someone is buying them. I was in a tackle shop today, and was told they are selling well.
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In reply to Post #10
I think sonik eg xtractors or insurgent have there place cheap enough to leave in boot of car so not to worried if they get nicked or good as a Holliday rod river lake or even sea fishing
But not in the same world as free spirit or Harrison and others
And as for the Korda green there’s a reason there cheap
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In reply to Post #10
I wouldn’t touch a sonik with a bargepole.
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In reply to Post #10
"Killed the market for higher end rods " Yeah right.
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In reply to Post #10
90% of Wychwood rods are sub £100 so Sonik haven’t dominated the market.
I could cast my Solace Classics just as far as my Freespirit E Class Gold and there 1/4 of the price.
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In reply to Post #1
If I was spending my own money on budget rods I'd be spending 60 quid each on the new Sonik heros.
I reckon Sonik have sewn up the cheaper end value rods market and at the same time killed the market for higher end rods.
Fair play to them it's about time someone ripped up the rulebook.
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In reply to Post #8
thx mate, we plan on going to have a look at a set if there's any left in stock
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In reply to Post #7
Braided leader, 4.5oz lead. Not how I’d want to fish but works for distance. I’ve never used the TX2 so can’t compare. What surprised me about the Korda rods was the weight, expected them to be a heavy rod but they were fine.
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In reply to Post #6
cheers for replying, was that with a leader??? what size lead?? he's currently looking at the tx2 intensity too
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I had a go with the 13ft rod in a field. If you want out and out distance then for £150 or whatever they will go for then must be hard to beat. 170 was very achievable (12lb line without a rig) and my casting isn’t great. Go further with less effort than my Aviators at a third of the price. Can’t tell you how they are to actually fish with but they will get a lead out there no problem.
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Half price by Christmas 
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In reply to Post #2
Really, I wonder why they dont they take them back for a refund??
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In reply to Post #1
Sorry wrong rod reviewed
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Seen a few sets up for sale already so read into that what you will....
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not that I'm in the market for a set but a mate is, just wondering what's peoples thoughts on them.who have had a wiggle with them or boughtba set
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