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Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #26 4 Dec 2023 at 6.55pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #25
But the run ring could still ditch the lead in that situation, the lead clip couldn't.
Ged
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   Old Thread  #25 4 Dec 2023 at 6.51pm    Login    Register
Last year a guy on my lake snapped off a Deeper after a braid frap up. We waited for it to drift into the bank but it stopped about 20 yards out. I sent my dog in to retreive it, which she did, but the state the braid was in you'd be very lucky if a run ring would have passed over it, never mind a clip and tail rubber.
Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #24 4 Dec 2023 at 4.39pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #21
A run ring with a tadpole bead would be a far superior set up of that's what you want to do. Once the lead clip is off of the swivel, it can no longer ditch the lead, a it's luck a tiny bore for the line to have to pass through.

If you crack off, it happens to all of us, the end of the line pig tails, and with. Running rig, there's hopefully a chance the large bore will pass over the pigtail, but of it does get snagged, a properly set up run rig on a C clip can still discharge the lead.

That pig tail is just going ti get caught in the tail rubber of a lead clip and push the tail rubber on further.

OK no rig is 100% safe, but we should always strive to be as safe as we can.
RKB
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RKB
   Old Thread  #23 4 Dec 2023 at 1.46pm    Login    Register
The argument is that the whole arrangement (lead clip, lead, tubing, tail rubber etc) might not make it off of the mainline in the event of breakage. I can see the logic.

edit: what ip100 said.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #22 4 Dec 2023 at 1.42pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #21
It's not about dropping leads all the time, it's about the fact that running lead clip can very easily become dangerous. The tail rubber can't come off if something gets wrapped up on the line behind it, therefore the lead won't come off. At least a running lead system has a far larger bore if you use a run ring, or the diameter of the swivel which again is much larger than a tail rubber, to allow the lead to slide over small obstructions and off of the mainline if it breaks for any reason. I agree with Sam, lead clips should be secure to the swivel and never allowed to slide down the mainline.
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #21 4 Dec 2023 at 1.17pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #20
I only fish the swivel semi tight in the lead clip when there are no snags or heavy weed.
I did go on to say that I can alter the set up to suit my needs and if weedy I can fish the swivel tight to ensure the lead is dropped.
I prefer the semi fixed set up to initially help get the fish hooked and the the lead can shake away from the swivel so it's not helping to shake the hook out.

I fish a lead clip (rather than a running lead) as it gives me the flexibility to alter how the swivel/lead works to suit the water conditions.

doing this should be banned on all waters

Really.
Should we all drop leads when there is no need?
How do running leads drop the lead all the time...
Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #20 4 Dec 2023 at 9.02am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #6
I will mostly fish the swivel so it can shake out of the clip


Personally think doing this should be banned on all waters. Out of interest. Why do you like to fish like this rather than using a running rig?
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #19 3 Dec 2023 at 9.24pm    Login    Register
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Nonsense
dannyuk32
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dannyuk32
   Old Thread  #18 3 Dec 2023 at 6.56pm    Login    Register
'Semi-fixed' (fixed till immense pressure applied) Lead Clips are great if you want a Fishery full of Parrot Mouthed Carp.
scozza
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   Old Thread  #17 2 Dec 2023 at 3.49pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #16
Interesting. To be fair, for all the points mentioned that why I tend to stick with a heli set up, swivel donít really matter, or should I say effect things
Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #16 2 Dec 2023 at 8.04am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #15
My main leads are dumpy pear and I get minimal line twist with them.
When I'm casting further with a Ronnie type rig that's not in a bag I will use a more nose heavy streamlined hex lead.
Weirdly, I get much more line twist with these... I reel in and lift the lead from the water and it's spinning like mad, untwisting itself. Obviously the fluted sides are acting like a propeller and spinning.

Smaller 2oz leads, I will only use these in silty areas. If it's a clean area I will use 3oz to get a better bolt effect.
scozza
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   Old Thread  #15 2 Dec 2023 at 7.29am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #14


Swivel is another one that bugs me, especially with clips mate. I bought a load of leads a few years ago now, large loop, no swivel, could have been armaleads, not sure but they were a bit of a different shape too, brown powder coated, I have a few left.

For helis and silt I normally use just 2oz with no problem, lead clips different story, few years ago now I was fishing clips with 2oz, couple of bleeps, couple of bleeps again, swapped to a bigger lead, next time, fish on

I guess the only conditioned worry by not using a swivel is line twist but I canít say I have witnessed much from not using a swivel, line twist comes form bad spooling or fish runs predominantly in my experiences

Baitman
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Baitman
   Old Thread  #14 2 Dec 2023 at 6.47am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
I make my own leads and never add a swivel.
The brass loop is wide enough to allow the lead to move on the clip but not having a swivel means there is so much less movement before the full weight of the lead pulls on the hook length.
scozza
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   Old Thread  #13 2 Dec 2023 at 5.45am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Lead convenient clips are just that for me.

Used a patanoster and then heli set upís for years and I tried lead clips for a while on a few occasions. Far too much free movement compared to other set ups. I did a bit of trial and error as you do in the margins a few year ago now, when you tighten up to them you pull the lead towards you, pull the hookbait and you have to turn the lead before you get any real resistance unless itís plugged in which can be a few inches, for me you need instant resistance to help set the hook, thatís why I think you get so many beeps with them, getting away with it

Better fished with tight lines to provide extra resistance and heavier leads for me

Something else I was looking at more recently when setting the hook, I use the shrink tube to create the bent hook effect, itís surprising how cushioning the plastic can be if itís too long and some plastic is more rigid then others, for me you want this short too. I have always tried to get an instant hook up, fish picks the bait up and pulls the hook home rather than let it have a few inches to play with. Getting away with it all the time
Kenniff
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Kenniff
   Old Thread  #12 1 Dec 2023 at 9.33pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
Soz
Biro rigs,semi fixed bolt rigs,free running bomb on mono.
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