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I think he owns a bungalow on the complex which he rents out.
Might be wrong
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In reply to Post #158
Do you mean Jurassic Island? Martin Bowler does not own it.
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In reply to Post #157
No, but his fishery in Thailand might
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In reply to Post #156
Do you really think that they pay enough per column at Angling Times to retire in your 50s?
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In reply to Post #155
He's got to be finished after this - obviously a little jealousy for a bloke who was born into the John Wilson legacy and it was handed to him on a plate... He messed up and that chance has gone. I don't feel bad, this is obviously a common occurrence and just one video got leaked. I seriously hope he hasn't made enough money to retire and just go fishing, and that he has to get a job like the rest of us.
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In reply to Post #141
 excellent 👏🏻👏🏻
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In reply to Post #153
Yeah, wasn't directed specifically at you 
There's been some dead ones floating down the Wye this summer from poor handling and I like to think it's from ignorance as opposed to lack of care.
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In reply to Post #152
I know you are just stating the obvious for the benefit of all the readers and you are very right in everything you say.
I have done a fair bit of barbel fishing so I know the ins and outs of it myself
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In reply to Post #151
It does happen occasionally, even on strong tackle and in oxygenated water. That's why it's so important to rest them properly before taking them out of the water and stressing them further. And then resting them again at the end to make sure they are properly recovered and ready to go. Always head facing in to the flow. Sometimes that involves lying in some pretty uncomfortable positions depending on what the bank is like. The films or adverts normally make it look like the fish is played, unhooked, photoed and returned in once sequence although I'd like to think that is not what is going on in reality.
A barbel can look like its gone back strongly only to then get stuck in a bit of weed (often out of sight), belly up or half belly up and then drown from the flow coming in to the back of the gills. The trend of taking a stereotypical carp fishing approach and photographing every barbel is not helpful, they are not as hardy as carp and really need to be kept out of the water for the minimum time possible.
A bit of a sermon but if it saves a barbel somewhere down the line it was worth it.
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In reply to Post #150
The second barbel looked very gassed, being belly up as it's landed in the net doesn't look normal... 
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This to me would appear to be the official Drennan film of the incident. Two Barbel claimed , very similar looking fish .
https://youtu.be/5DfKFIWMsXY?si=VAEKi9OMbROypRG_
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I always thought MB was a good guy and liked his style and looked forward to his videos etc but that has gone out of the window now ...so just goes to prove we never know how honest people are in real life
as for his uncle JW always loved watching his TV shows until i had the misfortune to meet him whilst fishing the Ebro ...he was the comsumate proffessional in front of the camera all though slightly sulky if he didn't get his own way or something interupted him .. but in the evenings after a few red wines he was a proper diva and not a nice person and we did try not to eat in the same restaurant as him in the end and that included his guide and production team which says it all
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In reply to Post #141
😂😂 comedy genius 👌
For the younger generation they are probably scratching their heads thinking what’s so funny..😀
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In reply to Post #141
Brilliant, absolute quality
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In reply to Post #137
Nah. I'm as woke as it gets and I loved John Wilson 😁
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In reply to Post #141
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Bowler, a literally and videography genius. An uncanny and natural quill trotting angling genius that is up there with Christopher and Richard Walker.
But if he came on my stretch - rehooking Barbel after an hour in my net - I’d shout Oi Bowler No - I admire your books and films and tales of wild gudgeon - but playing up for the cameras is bang out of order and I’d give him a slap.
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In reply to Post #139
Basically ***** like Bowler and Ali are painting a pretty bad picture of angling in the sole interest of self gain.
It will get worse before it gets better.
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In reply to Post #138
Martin Bowler is seeking personal financial gain by appearing in these videos for his corporate sponsors. Whatever the level of pressure someone may be under, and however we try to dress it up, it is entirely unacceptable and inexcusable - money or no money.
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In reply to Post #131
But MB did not try to peddle a "Death Rig" to the angling community for his own financial gain, with a total disregard for the consequences.
To produce results for the cameras must be one hell of weight on ones shoulders, I suspect it would be the ones paying them the wage for doing the articles/films that pressure them to do such "dodgy" practices.
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In reply to Post #135
today's Woke wet wipes would of had him cancelled
Probably
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In reply to Post #134
*Apart from when it happens on one of our own waters.
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In reply to Post #133
Not sure you had to meet him to see he wasn't the nicest of people at times, very easy to pick up in the old tv shows he had anger issues and was rather self interested, i particularly remember his treatment of a guide on one of the foreign trips, today's Woke wet wipes would of had him cancelled.
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As carp anglers we are probably the worst to talk about what is right or wrong in angling. Myles Gibson got voted carp angler of the year for illegally fishing and catching the tatton common. We glorify fishing where you’re not allowed, ignoring landowners rules, ignoring lake rules, etc.
Yes some things are worse than other but ultimately illegal is illegal is it not?
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In reply to Post #126
maybe a little harsh, but that's exactly how i found over a number of times ive met him.
Yes, in the early days, no one can argue his efforts and value he added to angling, still, he was never going to come across as i said on film
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In reply to Post #131
Could that be down to the popularity of the person, or lack of?
I think we all know that stroke pulling has been a big part of fishing for a long time. I think the difference now is that it appears to be getting a bit too desperate and out of hand. The only other real difference is social media exposure, to the world, that’s everybody and their opinions!!!
Now if you stand on your soap box and tell the world how to do it you had better make sure it is perfect or you will get picked up on it or this case some **** house (rightly or wrongly, says a lot about that person, mate!) stabbed him in the back 
I am definitely not defending it. It’s a shame that some “anglers” are that desperate really 
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In reply to Post #130
Exactly - I said basically the same on a Barbel forum, where a lot of people were defending MB. I asked if it would be the same if it had been Hamidi on camera talking about rehooking fish.
We know the answer to that…1,000 posts would have been reached in a day.
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In reply to Post #129
Agreed. Amazing how this thread, which is about purposely mistreating fish, hasn't had the same level of outrage as the OMC one, which was just about a piece of plastic that you can choose to use or not. I wonder why that is?
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In reply to Post #126
Nice bit of balance there, well done
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In reply to Post #126
I dislike a lot of the general public nowadays mainly because they have no no manners and no respect for anyone but sometimes I can be nice and yes it’s very easy to be caught on a bad day which everyone will remember rather than the good ones.
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In reply to Post #126
I used to work with a bloke who was a close friend with him, used to write for trout fisher and did a bit of fishing with him, did the Nile perch thing too with him. Said he was an excellent angler and a lovely bloke so as you say, there is mixed feedback, and to be fair, I think we all fall out with a few or tell them straight along life’s way lol
One thing for sure, it was a cracking set of mainstream TV fishing programs at the time with not a bit of bitterness or bull****, possibly an annoying laugh at times but just a man with a passion for the pastime which was clear to see for me 
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In reply to Post #124
Probably a bit harsh given he's not here to defend himself.
Bit of a disclaimer here, I knew John well, went on one of his guided trips and also guided him on one myself, 12 days just me and him somewhere off Africa. He outfished me 3 to 1 off the back of the same boat, same baits, same rigs, I'd fished 5 weeks there, it was his first day.
At the time he was very popular every time we went somewhere he was approached, 90 % of the time he was willing to talk to people, 10% caught him at a bad time.
I defy anyone, especially as we get older, to be nice to people 100% of the time, I struggle to be nice to my dog all the time, let alone total strangers 
I'm sure he pulled plenty of stunts over the years to get that shot and that capture but I'm pretty sure he never re-hooked anything, maybe the odd use of a bucket for some of the rod bending shots but nothing like this.
Just leaves a bit of a sour taste when people start slating those who can't defend themselves and are probably responsible for more people fishing than anyone else.
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In reply to Post #124
Oooooooooooo controversial 🤣
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In reply to Post #123
JW was an arrogant pr*k
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Uncle John got into fishing with his programs on Channel 4 back in the day, brilliant learning from the man by watching him and using his methods. I still watch go fishing on YouTube now, still brilliant.
I met a very high profile angler years ago at holiday venue in Devon, he was a friendly man, very well known in match circles and then specimen fishing. He told me about when he went to visit JW at his fishing shop in Norwich one day when he was in the area. He went and introduced himself to JW and was shocked when JW said he had never heard of him and was quite rude to the man!
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In reply to Post #119
Don’t get me wrong none of us are angels
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In reply to Post #116
I used to know someone who used to deal with him on a regular basis; he said the same.
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In reply to Post #111
Ah, it wasn't just me then.
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In reply to Post #117
FFS
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/im-a-weak-hypocritical-sleaze-hunts-call-on-paid-sex-20060518-gdnkgj.html
https://amp.theage.com.au/national/rex-hunts-controversies-20060517-ge2bza.html
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I tend to form my own opinion of someone once I've met them not by what someone once said or told me, we can all have our off days especially the older we get we dont suffer fools as easily.
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In reply to Post #113
Could be totally wrong again and my memory is deteriorating by the minute, but I’m sure someone said, poss on here once that ole rex wasn’t the nicest of people either. Just something that stands out as I was shocked when I read it so has lodged a little in the grey matter.
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In reply to Post #111
I also heard that he was not a pleasant chap despite his 'jolly' appearance on tv
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In reply to Post #111
 Like I say I could be wrong, and tbh hope I am as grew up eagerly awaiting his shows each week. Like most things in life, things are usually not what they seem
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In reply to Post #113
Ivan used to swim out with buckets of ground bait. Proof in the anglers mail annual 1982 😂
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This thread shattering all the illusions 
Next you’ll be saying Rex Hunt spotted fish with a drone, Bob Nudd was on the hormones and Ivan Marks had a bait boat. 
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In reply to Post #111
I also heard they had a caller on I think maybe fisherman’s blues and the caller mentioned mr Wilson was a complete 🔔 end towards people but before he had time to carry on they cut him off from talking more about it
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In reply to Post #110
His uncle perhaps it was a family thing…
I remember going on a ‘tailor made holiday’ back in 1999 (to the cats on the red place in Lockport Canada, had a great time).
Came back and went to the go fishing show at the NEC saw his uncle who wouldn’t even engage with us, his wife Christine came over a little embarrassed.
We were dumbfounded by his attitude….
I learnt later that in person this was normal with joe public he wasn’t very pleasant.
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In reply to Post #109
Could be totally wrong, but wasn’t a certain person who had his own show on tv and unfortunately passed away, who was also quite close to Martin reported to doing such Tom foolery as claiming other peoples fish and re hooking? Like I say I could be totally wrong, but sure I have heard it in the past
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In reply to Post #105
It's his job, so I would not blame him for switching if there was more money on offer. The fact that he appears tight with Alan Blair and the other bits that have been said suggests a good move for him, well until this video came out that is
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In reply to Post #107
Guess not
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In reply to Post #105
…….and money.
They aren’t going to say that are they?
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In reply to Post #98
You mean that well known lake that is no secret at all. To anyone?
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In reply to Post #104
Not sure that's the case. I listened to a podcast somewhere with him on (might have been Nash) and it didn't sound like money at all. From memory it was more like creative direction/ job satisfaction/ personal relationships.
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In reply to Post #103
Assume money. Plus he was doing a fair bit with Alan Blair for his fishery in Thailand so that may have had an influence
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Does anyone know why he left drennan for nash,being an all round angler?
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In reply to Post #91
Now that’s graft man
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In reply to Post #99
Willen? The big open lake next to a theme park and John Lewis with an A road running through the middle? The same one that shouts about its biggest fish and has a video on its own website?!
Yea, they really let the cat out of that bag
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In reply to Post #98
Willen wasn’t a secret though
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****houses - all of em. Latest being that knobber that has just exposed Willen
For an extra pack of hooks. Local blokes now have an exodus of munga knobheads turning up en masse.
Feckin ****house
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In reply to Post #96
not sure if any on here are FB "friends" with Ben Battenburg, his posts regarding this topic are brutal and quite funny
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Recatching The Impossible
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In reply to Post #93
Too right.. 
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In reply to Post #91
You should write a book
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In reply to Post #91
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I wondered around the huge wind swept pit looking for any signs of my quarry. After 7 laps and nearly 40 miles later - I hadn’t seen so much as a bubble, so I hunched behind an autumnal bramble bush and spodded out some veterinary chemicals before retreating to a reed lined fringe to watch. Within minutes, there were most of the lakes stock of scaley bangers rolling and spawning over my careful placed pre bait.
I quickly put my sticks in a tied up three rigs, 2 were on a new self hooking gizmo, the other a static line treble. Within 3 hours I has landed my uk personal best common three times! The first time the self hooking gizmo hadn’t sprung, the second time it was sprung and the third time I managed to land a leviathan on a 12foot 7lb breaking strain zig. It certainly paid to ring the changes and react to what was happening in the plot.
41lb of old English common carp was held up for the cameras, I managed to get some underwater footage of the zig. A real redletter day. It was the only fish I had but practice landing it three ways and to get some footage for sponsors and my YouTube channel was a morning I’ll never forget.
I just sat there with a few twigs boiling up my Kelly kettle buzzin. I’d had a few texts from mates and bait suppliers, so just whiled away the next couple of hours weighing up the offers before I decided on what bait I would publicise catching it on. The guys turned up and we pulled the sling from the water - holding her up with sponsors present was a great moment. As I slipped her back - minus the hook this time she just stayed quietly in the margins before a flick of the tail and she was gone (followed by Diver Dave).
It almost quite sad as I sit here now - a hat trick of lifetime memories achieved. Without a regret I put all my tackle up for sale and made plans for my next calling, but for now GET IN
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In reply to Post #85
doubt it, Rob's not a practising lawyer
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In reply to Post #87
Not really.
Trying to draw a comparison between some old fart burying a few coins in a field after he'd already dug them up to an angler re-hooking a netted fish for the cameras, is for the birds.
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Sadly, at the end of the day, the greed for money and admiration overcome's ones sensibilities.
I would have Martin down as pretty high up on my integrity list, now no longer..
It's also about time the 'followers' face up to the fact that there are no ' stars or celebrities' in this hobby, none, never has been, never will be. There are plenty of highly capable anglers who are highly tuned in the life persuing specimen sized fish, and human nature has a desire to emulate, or be guided by these successful few, but the modern day social media lifestyle allows far too many to become self proclaimed gurus that are, deep down, pretty deluded.
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In reply to Post #86
whoooosh
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In reply to Post #84
That sounds dodgy, but metal isn't alive?
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In reply to Post #83
I think Rob Hughes must be his lawyer.
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lets be real here ? surely ???? if its MB or not its exposing what goes on all the time
Carp ,Barbel,Catfish have ALL been regularly replayed for years just for the Videos !
its just now its being posted and the people that hadnt realised are all shocked
same as venues that are closed so they can be pre baited for weeks and out of bounds areas being allowed to be fished for the videos
and the bait used to catch the fish is often not the one shown on the video etc its just now this video has really exposed it for all to see
out of interest my other hobby has been metal detecting and a few years ago at a big rally a well known detectorist found a hoard of coins he quickly kicked the soil back over them his mate stood guard while he ran back to the car and swopped to the detector he was sponsored with then his pal videoed him finding the coins
happens in everything
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In reply to Post #82
This ‘legal’ disclaimer makes everything even worse.
It screams poor me - squirming and no regret. They are out to get me!
Nobody can discredit anyone without a truth and this he is not denying.
Should have paid a bit more for legal advice and gone for something a bit more apologetic regards the pressures of filming and regret.
It would happen in any walk of life - almost professional revenge porn - he knew and was being paid to be on film, gave full consent to be filmed and knows exactly what is happening by the let’s keep this quiet.
Whilst it’s distasteful- the real disappointment is that to anyone outside fishing will look on us all as “wow not only do you do it once, you go again for camera and sport’. It’s the guys living, but as a so called ambassador for angling he has fallen so far short of expectations that is deserving of the outrage and criticism.
Release something heartfelt - apologise and say that whatever the outcome you fully understand that it’s not a good look - it was a stupid thing to even mention and that you deeply regret not that it was filmed but even discussed. You have learnt and will move on and would be working hard to regain trust in a passion he loves and earns a living from.
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In reply to Post #81
He's not saying that he definitely didn't rehook a barbel, just that he's not convinced that there's video evidence of him doing so.
Perhaps he just can't remember whether he did rehook a barbel on this occasion, with it being quite common practice?
Strange choice of words if he is innocent.
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In reply to Post #1
Things that have no place in angling, the magic twig, drones, bivvy heaters and now Martin Bowler…
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Funny thing is iv'e never warmed to Martin as a media star (cough),just something about his personality ,although you can't deny his fish catching all round abilities.... His insta ...39,000 plus followers yet he only follows a few back.Smacks of someone who just cares about their own self promotion and profile.
My own judgement of him aside ,this whole sorry episode is most disappointing for angling in general...
Sigh..... 
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On the charge of attempted murder how do you plead?
Not guilty your honour.
But, but we’ve just seen you enter the house with a club hammer, ouzi 9mm and a zombie knife.
If you saw all the video from inside I’m not sure you would see me bludgeoning the victim. This is people trying to smear me.
Fair enough - case dismissed.
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In reply to Post #76
Feckin jokers the lot of them. Been saying it for years, these so called super stars pushing out content on their platforms, it's all bull**** and as far detached from angling as you can get.
It all went wrong when people realised they could scrape a living together from it
To be fair, there are a few successful anglers but a lot more desperate ones trying to get there. The downside is that it has put the pastime in a pretty unbelievable state as a result of people seeking fame and fortune, bull****ters, back stabbers, stroke pullers, bitches and catch at all cost types, all trying to best each other to make an extra quid
When antics like this happen it’s another dark shadow over the image of angling, end of the day you could say it is only a fish and it is, but if we have got to a place like this then it is pretty sad, very sad, as is all the social media hanging around it
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Feckin jokers the lot of them. Been saying it for years, these so called super stars pushing out content on their platforms, it's all bull**** and as far detached from angling as you can get.
All about - look at me and how feckin great I am, along with how much money can I make out of these mugs.
4/5 nights a week rotting in a tent can conjur up some amazing ***** to bluff the public.
We probably don't know the half of it
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In reply to Post #65
When i was match fishing we had to have 2 keepnets min 8ft x 3ft and that was just for silvers. Surely things have moved on in the last 45 years?
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In reply to Post #66
No, there's absolutely zero connection to the thread topic.
"Match Angler Mishandles Fish" is hardly a new thing.
How it can be conflated with the Martin Bowler issue - someone who makes a living from angling, unlike Bullard - is beyond me.
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And if you find it please read the comments he is ripping into anyone that disagrees with him!
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In reply to Post #64
Yeah still on his Instagram account 1st video
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In reply to Post #66
Some of the worst fish handling I’ve seen even from a match angler!
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In reply to Post #67
Doesn’t make him guilty of anything unless he’s tampering with his weigh in or fish
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In reply to Post #68
Me neither
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In reply to Post #66
No idea, don’t do social media.
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In reply to Post #66
Showed his match results, weighing in some good sized carp that were kept in a keepnet all together, no mate, etc. typical match stuff. Anyone questioning him he’s giving it back to big time. Not entirely sure his responses are all that serious tbf knowing of his nature and antics.
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In reply to Post #65
What’s Bullard done? Or are they connected
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In reply to Post #62
Bullard isn’t exactly the brightest spark. Also a match fishermen, so fish care is likely an alien concept.
It’s a shame this all turned out to be true. I remember reading an article years ago by Martin Bowler about Summer evening Rudd fishing. It was one of the most inspiring pieces of course fishing writing I had read.
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In reply to Post #62
Is the Jimmy Bullard video still there? Can't see it.
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He's released a statement on his Facebook page fessing to it being him, saying if played in its entirety he doubts it would show him rehooking it. Never denied the conversation. He needs stripping of all sponsorships.
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Looks bad for Martin! Also has anyone seen the video on jimmy bullards insta? I can’t believe he has put it up and is defending his actions!!
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I'm still failing ti see a single mention of this anywhere other than this post. Is it just me?
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In reply to Post #55
It may have gone viral in an attempt to sabotage his new venture.....doesn't mean it didn't happen though of course!
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In reply to Post #56
Summed it up nicely.
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In reply to Post #55
The Jack Reid post says the footage is extensive and there’s no doubt to the identity of those involved. So the clip is just a small part of it and it looks like ‘those involved’ won’t have much of a leg to stand on if they carry out the threatened legal action…
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In reply to Post #55
Whether it's work or not makes absolutely no difference to whether it's ok or not though does it.
If that's deemed acceptable by some of those who make a living from angling they can shove their content up their arse.
If it turns out to be true I won't buy Angling Times again if he's still doing a column. I've never bought anything from Nash anyway so nothing would change there.
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It is hard to draw any conclusions from such a short piece of film. Whilst I agree that this does appear damning, imagine if the cameras were on you in your workplace. I bet we’ve all done or said the odd thing that we’re not proud of at work. and let’s make it clear, this is not Fishing, this is work to these guys. Not my world, but it is theirs.
Very clearly this has been done to sabotage his new venture.
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In reply to Post #53
That he didn't film it...and that it's definately not fake or ai generated
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In reply to Post #50
What did it say?
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In reply to Post #51
Wait until the next General Election is called. Social media manipulation will be unbelievable.
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In reply to Post #49
+1. Time in memorial.
In the old days it was word of mouth and mostly to those 'in the know', now with social media a frenzy can be whipped up in a day, true or not, detestable!
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Read jack Reid's instagram story
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Well I'm not in the slightest bit surprised, if true or if faked.
I've heard 'rumours' of similar incidents several times over the years.
If it's faked I'm not surprised because there are plenty of jealous, malicious people about, who will put effort into trying to ruin things for others.
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In reply to Post #47
Regulation?
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Wow - it’s either a fake or bloody risky strategy going for the not me.
We are part of a massive pastime/sport yet time after time we have no media, governance or pressure applied to find the truth. There are tens of thousands of £ being made and most other walks of life this kind of stuff would be looked into.
We’ve had
Cheating in the competition by retaining fish and weighing in twice
The hormone scandal
The magic twig
Now this
As far as I know none of the above has been met with any kind of apology - just a NO NO NO - prove it. One day we will get caught out - and we will all kop it. If we can’t, or don’t regulate from within, any one of the above could get column inches and overnight we will be the fox hunters of yesteryear.
That’s why threads like this are important- to get everyone to understand thier own moral compass. If this wasn’t a true video - I would be shouting from the rooftops and make sure that the truth outs - I hope this is his sole focus and he concentrates all his efforts to expose the scam.
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Certainly would be an odd thing to fake. To a non angler, or pretty much anybody outside the British angling scene, I doubt they would see the issue with doing this. I doubt many TV execs would see the issue with this as "what's the difference between this and what you do anyway"
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He was certainly up there with the best modern day all rounders for me, before this emerged. What a shame.
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In reply to Post #36
Having a picture with someone elses capture and rehooking a netted fish to get footage for the camera are very different things, the latter being infinitely worse and completely inexcusable.
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In reply to Post #36
Yes it has gone on for years,unfortunately.
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Hope this is not true, sad state of affairs if it is.
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In reply to Post #40
IF that's true then what a sad life some people lead to stoop to such things, you would think they would have better things to do with their time, like go fishing!!
There will always be those that are jealous I suppose and there always have been those that are stroke pullers.
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In reply to Post #39
He implies that his new fish tv thing has been trolled and attacked by others - hence this video being 'created'
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In reply to Post #38
But why would they, what's the point of targeting a middle aged fisherman.... 
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In reply to Post #37
On reflection hoping it's a malicious attack using AI to copy his voice? With all his videos on youtube it would be possible for someone to do if they really wanted to.
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In reply to Post #24
Hard to see how this isn't true.
Personally I've always respected Martin Bowler and thought him one of the 'real' ones.
That's his reputation in the bin though if it is true.
Who's the person asking him?
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This kind of behaviour has been going on for years. I know one that paid locals to have photos taken with their catfish on the ebro and claim them as his captures. Several images of other people's captures ended up in his book. It's nothing new.
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In reply to Post #14
I dont think any of these so called famous anglers have reputations just fronts, occasionally those fronts drop unintentionally when they have money on their minds.
Except Tel of course.
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I may be missing the point but
I can’t see anywhere where bowler says to the captor you should rehook the barbel
I hear
You want to Rehook the barbel as in a question and he sounds iffy about doing that
Surely it’s the captor who’s in the wrong who wants it videoed
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In reply to Post #28
Is that like all the legal action threatened about the hormones?
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In reply to Post #10
Exactly that, if it is true it is a real shame
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In reply to Post #30
It wasn't him that released the clip though, and I think Bowler will find it very difficult to even have a case
"This person released this clip and I want compo"
"And?"
"Well, its claiming to be me saying that I want to rehook a Barbel"
".......But it is you though?"
"Prove it"
"Prove it isn't?"
Unless Bowler can get an admission that its Iranian level AI trickery then he's going to get nowhere. The fact you can hear the other angler, identify him rather easily, and theres evidence that its a Drennan video?
Good luck.
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #28
wouldnt be the first legal action Mr Battenburg has had and won
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In reply to Post #6
Yeah, but those perch are something else when you fish for them with worms, that's bound to go wrong no matter how hard you try to avoid it. Been there as a kid also, and not just once.
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In reply to Post #27
Martin has written that someone has said they created the clip and that he's taking legal action. Whether or not that's the case is for others to decide.
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I heard many years ago of a pike video that wasn't quite what it seemed. All the chat and tactics were covered in a day but there one thing missing..,, a fish! The angler fished it hard for several days and when he caught one, the camera crew were called back to complete the shoot!
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In reply to Post #25
Can't be anybody else surely?
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| | | Sgfc | | Posts: 4305 |  | | aka The Combover Kid | |
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In reply to Post #24
Holy ****..
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In reply to Post #21
6/10 - DD
The sweet spot….The golden ratio…
These kids need to get their priorities straight while they are young. A 6/10 21 year old is a much better prospect than a 6/10 49 year old. Get the good stuff while you can, don’t waste your Saturday’s fishing!
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In reply to Post #20
Been there done that. 17k a year or 40k with pension and doing what I want? Tough choice . Sadly though a lot of kids now would prefer the former, and would rather be within the flaps of an oval, than the flaps of a 6/10 with DD's 
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In reply to Post #19
Makes me laugh how some (not all) of the full timers lord it around the place. Like making 20K a year selling your soul to social media to sit by a lake full time is something that should be respected
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In reply to Post #17
There's a couple on my lake, they've had most of the bigguns and still fish it for free and disrupt other paying members fishing.
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In reply to Post #17
Thats not fishing that’s inevitable
Well put
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I got told about a story from a well known angler doing a few day sessions on the river Severn. Couldn’t catch anything and the lad next door was bagging up.
They politely asked if they can let the angler play the next fish he hooks to make the video.
Over the last few years after seeing a few well known anglers around lakes you soon realise there not as good or as professional as they may seem in videos.
I also don’t have any praise for those anglers who spend 7 days a week on a lake catch the biggen and get patted on the back. Thats not fishing that’s inevitable
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In reply to Post #15
Randy Spittle
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #12
I remember Mike willmott saying he was asked to re hook a fish by I believe the same film producer on a filming trip to Rainbow lakes in France back in the days of vhs video cassettes in the early 90's. He very rightly refused to do it.
There was no excuse back then when it was one man and a camera.
And there's definitely no excuse with the amount of cameras they take on shoots these days.
If its true? and to be honest it would surprise me if it is ? That's a pretty poor show from an angler of Martins reputation. 
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #11
Totally agree re costs etc.
But what makes alot of Martins material within films, actually isn't the fish.
The video is plain to see that its him and i was sent it on Saturday. i was, i must admit, very very disappointed.
i remember a story some years ago when a what was then a very well known midlands angler fishing at Cuttle Mill and Tony, the owner at the time re hooked one of his fish on the Midlands angler rig, and then was filmed as a "real live take"
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Unfortunately over the years ive heard a few of what are considered to be excellent films/vids have been doctored in the same fashion.... if true its plain wrong. The problem is we all know it costs money to film... to actualy get footage of the bite, playing and landing of fish requires some to be with the angler 24/7 so its not surprising that fish are being rehooked when the camera man turns up when given the nod a capture has been made and gets paid half a days pay instead of a few days pay.... the capture is now less important than the footage itself as far as publicity goes and without doubt temptation to cut corners and save money is huge.... but its a pitiful world we live in when some of the most inspirational films/vids have been smeared by rumours of rehooking. One old book and film i learned of such pratice i got rid of immediately upon realising the desperate idiots had resorted to such a low deed. I hope this latest tale isnt true because it would taint everything this guy has done.
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #7
so sad that modern day angling has gone to such lengths
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #6
"You either remember that moment, or it did not happen."
OR, he's lying
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In reply to Post #2
The same Nash Tackle that had a consultant on film throwing back a 5lb common by its gills.
Zero morals. Never has been, never will be.
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In reply to Post #5
Yes mate, just launched it and the content looked good. Not seen the video myself but don't want to believe it's true as he has always come across as a good bloke (in his writings, films and face to face). If it is then his reputation will be shot and you then start to question some of his other material, which would be a shame
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In reply to Post #3
The only response i've seen so far is that he "does not recall the conversation"
Even if I was a complete scumbag and rehooked a fish 30 years ago let alone 3 years ago, i'd remember it through utter shame, just like the poor deephooked Perch which died as I frantically tried to use a disgorger. I was six years old.
You either remember that moment, or it did not happen.
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #4
Begs a question as to how many times before he's done it.
certainly puts a real downer on his filming he's done/doing.
Am i correct in saying he's got a pay to view news material?
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A shame if it is true, Bowler was supposed to be one of the good guys.
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| | | Frenzy | | Posts: 11403 | | | [ MODERATOR ] | |
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In reply to Post #1
i too have also seen the video.
words fail me as to the way angling is today.
It will be very interesting to see how Bowler responds, if he does at all
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In reply to Post #1
I've seen the video, bowler says it was a set up and it's not him....I personally don't believe him. Appalling if true, but wouldn't surprise me. He's part of gnash now, same as Alan Blair who let fish go into snags on his films before trying to get them out, so nothing surprises me unfortunately
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A new storm in a teacup to accompany the hormones and twigs debacles.
I like Martin Bowler, but I think he's got his work cut out to prove it isn't him in the video which has surfaced telling an angler to re-hook the fish just to get a better shot or two.
It doesn't take much research to find out who the second angler in the video is, the brand of tackle/clothing being used, and Drennan's previous use of that swim on the Wye.
I very much doubt someone would go to all that effort to pretend to be Martin Bowler just to stitch him up, but happy to be proved wrong, especially as he tries to launch his new business venture.
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