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   Old Thread  #367 8 Jan 2022 at 4.36pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #363
And ironically probably the best nut bait ingredient of recent years is fluffy and with no lumps 😂

I get what you mean with the texture, and with the weight, this is one of my concerns with adding too much but, the buoyancy of the ingredient has a lot to do with the fat content which Iíve always tried to keep low in a bait, Iíve found if you go beyond 20% with these less used nut products ( although theyíre used by a few companies ). Then it starts to lock the bait up, as well as dictates a very low fat content to any subsequent ingredients, I think youíll get away with it more them being chunky though, the same volumes in a fine grind could cause havoc lol.

In response to peopleís assumption about intestinal transit, many many ďfine powdersĒ as youíd see them are actually chock full of fibre, along with the chunky nature of the ingredients in this bait I just donít think it would be necessary, itís unique selling point as gaz has mentioned is weight, it can ďsettle downĒ. Some of the fussier mixes.

And lastly to the bloke who likes bread crumb, different kettle of fish in a bait. Yes pure bread crumb makes them go potty at times but not when locked up in a bait, it just makes said bait cheaper to roll as breadcrumb is about 11 quid a sack
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   Old Thread  #366 8 Jan 2022 at 1.36pm  0  Login    Register
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I have long thought that there may be a secondary benefit of using oyster shell in baits, namely pH buffering of the bait. Unfortunately I don't know enough about the chemistry to be positive about this, or to explain it in a meaningful way. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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   Old Thread  #365 8 Jan 2022 at 12.00pm  1  Login    Register
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Nice to see someone asking questions and getting answers in a way that isnít slagging each other off. See we do all get on with each other on here
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   Old Thread  #364 8 Jan 2022 at 10.37am  1  Login    Register
For those of you who havenít had the Tricknut bait in your hands yet, donít judge too harshly or quickly on itís possible negative aspects.

Having used numerous nut baits in the past, when I was lucky enough to get a pre-release sample (after hounding Gav for ages 🤣 the wait was worth it. It is light and shade in comparison to all the others I have tried, texture, smell, taste - it has it all and is what you imagine a nut bait SHOULD be like.

I know this is from a human perspective in all aspects and that people will always doubt what they havenít yet witnessed personally, but see it and then form your own opinions.
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   Old Thread  #363 8 Jan 2022 at 9.59am  1  Login    Register
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Itís perfectly ok to say your piece mate thatís what the forum is for!
Iím sure we could pick the bones out of nearly all ingredients if we tried.
My perspective has always been that every ingredient must serve a purpose. One of my other Ingredients comes with pieces of crab, shell, and all sorts of weird and wonderful visible in it. Having fished and caught carp excreting big chunks of zebra mussels I am ok with a few coarse nuts and shell in the baits. Glad you liked the rest of it!! Very popular bait this year I think.
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   Old Thread  #362 8 Jan 2022 at 9.45am  2  Login    Register
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Nice replyís from both

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   Old Thread  #361 8 Jan 2022 at 9.40am  0  Login    Register
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In respect of your nut bait which really peaked my interest as I love a nut based bait and your list of ingredients like brazil's etc seems like the one. I'd say the same of Willmott's bait, I think shell is an unnecessary ingredient and wouldn't and will not buy Willmott's bait because of it.

Just so we're clear, I'm in no way having a sly dig in any regard. I respect what you're doing and I'm in no way trying to undermine anything that you're doing, and I mean that in all sincerity.

Yeah, you're correct, your bait is for fish and not for people, that aside, from my very own perspective, I'm of the opinion that I'd rather have breadcrumb - which carp love - over shell anyday. It certainly could be argued that shell adds to a fish's needs in some way, which may or not be true, be that as it may, I'd possite that if you fished with a bait without shell and with good ingredients, there would be hardly any noticeable, or if any differences in catch rates or negative effects on carp that are eating the bait.

I hope it comes across that in respect to shell, these are my own personal preferences and not aimed in any way, shape or form to discredit anyone - notice I added Willmott in as he's highly regarded and well respected.
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   Old Thread  #360 8 Jan 2022 at 8.04am  3  Login    Register
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Itís very simpleÖ..Brazil, cashews, coconut and other ingredients in that bait are very light, so itís in there to add weight. Also, letís remember on a daily basis carp eat zebra mussels, snails, tiger nuts, pea mussels and god know what else that is hard and crunchy!
Your average nut bait is a smooth pale base of soy semo bread maize with the odd bit of tiger nut flour and I wanted tricknut to be as far away from those baits as possible. You can see that from the outside. Never once did I think that it might offend a human who wanted to eat the boilieÖÖ.I just thought about what a carp might want
There is shell in the herb and look what that bait has done in 6 months!
Nothing in any of my baits is just thrown in for no reason. Tricknut is a coarse blend of real human grade nuts, milks, birdfood, peanut proteins and vitamins. There is also a few elements to it that I know is very different to 99 percent of nut baits out there but I want to keep that under my hat for now. I simply wonít copy another scopex maple cream cheap bait.
Tricknut could have been the first bait I launched but itís taken the longest to find the bits I needed. If you donít like the feel of a nut boilie in your mouth well Iím sorry but I was more thinking about what the carp like to chew on! Personally it tastes and feels perfect to me

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   Old Thread  #359 8 Jan 2022 at 0.33am  0  Login    Register
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Oyster shell grit is probably in there, along with other ingredients to add a bit of heavy fibre, help the bait to be easy to crush and break up by the carps teeth on the way through.

For absorption in the digestive tract I would have thought that something finer, like limestone flour would be better as a calcium supplement.

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   Old Thread  #358 7 Jan 2022 at 11.06pm  0  Login    Register
Gavs one to put a lot of time and effort in a bait and I donít think for one minute itís just in there for the sake of it. If itís of no benefit to the carp or to help stop the bait float it wouldnít be in there I'm sure.
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   Old Thread  #357 7 Jan 2022 at 9.56pm  1  Login    Register
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Some people believe it adds to the calcium content of the bait, however given the gut transit time of carp I think this is dubious at best. It adds weight to a boiled bait which may be of benefit in some circumstances, I.e . using a throwing stick or in flowing water.. Some people believe carp are attracted by the crunching sound it creates when carp eat as in when they are feeding upon snails. I think this is the most likely and only reason for putting it in. However I think leaving the eggshell in would probably have the same effect. Which many bait makers do. On the other hand it does make life easier and you don't then have to dispose of the eggshells. So I suppose it depends which theory you adhere to.
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   Old Thread  #356 7 Jan 2022 at 9.28pm  0  Login    Register
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Calcium too. I hate spodding so appreciate it for a bit of mass with the stick or catapult.

Edit..Just read a paper (skim read) by a Yoshimitsu San in Japan. Apparently carp get the bulk of their Calcium through their gills not their diet.
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   Old Thread  #355 7 Jan 2022 at 9.24pm  0  Login    Register
It helps bait that may contain light Ingrediants like certain milk products. Also aids leakage in a bait being so course.
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   Old Thread  #354 7 Jan 2022 at 9.11pm  0  Login    Register
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Why put it in there in the first place I donít believe it adds anything to a bait and donít comment on its a crunchy thing that carp like
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   Old Thread  #353 7 Jan 2022 at 3.39pm  0  Login    Register
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Thatís fine, not every ingredient in every single bait is going to please everyone! The good news is there is only a tiny amount of oyster shell in there and it is in there for good reason. You will see it is in most fishmeals, Birdfoods and other baits. Just not good for our teeth!!
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