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In reply to Post #56
Depends on how tight or close fitting the seat is to the blank.
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In reply to Post #55
If the snapping is a result of the blank flexing at the butt wouldn't we see more issues with the lighter/more flexible rods fitted with Alps - armalites, normal C2s, etc rather than just the C2Ds?
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In reply to Post #52
If the butt bends under load and the reel seat is a close fit with very little or no packing to allow the flexing a shear point will be created. The blanks I've heard of snapping century c2d I believe have a fairly thick diameter butt that is designed to bend a little under load while the fma2 is a stiffer parallel butt with less flex to it although I haven't heard of these snapping I expect someone has.
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In reply to Post #53
Maybe
The trebs ain't skinny things
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In reply to Post #52
I definitely think that has something to do with it 👍🏼
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In reply to Post #50
Perhaps the rods that have had issues are softer in the butt section than others.
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In reply to Post #49
Unfortunately I already know I have broken them multiple times on 15lb line. God only knows what they would end up looking like if I put a shockleader on!. If I was to fish a solid bag with a braided leader I have no doubt it would break it might take 20 casts but it would break.
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In reply to Post #49
Terry Edmunds wrote a piece about it
https://m.facebook.com/TerryEdmondsLongRangeAngler/posts/458339147603499
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In reply to Post #48
For what its worth only last week I've been ripping 4oz leads in pva bags full of hemp oil braid straight through 160yrds treb lights 13ft alps shiney seats no issues at all
If I felt that thete was an issue I think I would have known by now?
I get the mechanics but it ain't happening.
More of an issue in the mind than out in the field 
Get your rods loaded up properly then we would know.
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In reply to Post #46
What blanks?
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Basic mechanics it’s a shear point !!
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In reply to Post #45
I would never consider alps. A piece of metal on a rod that cant flex. No thanks.
Ive seen snapped rods due to alps at a well known rod builders workshop.
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In reply to Post #44
Well it seems people who have them fitted are having no issues.I certainly haven't and I give my rods some stick when casting 
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In reply to Post #35
I wonder how many people even read the small print on rod builder websites, or ask about ALPS reelseats. OK, it’s not as if they break every day, but when I was looking to get some rods built to cast up to 8oz+ on the Trent I would have been worried about using 400 quid rods that weren’t covered by any warranty should they break. End of the day Mark Tunley doesn’t put this in his T&C’s for no reason.
. ALPS reelseats.
In the unlikey event of an Alps metal reelseat "coming loose" the repair will not be covered under warranty. A repair fee will be issued.
Any blank breakage at the location point of the ALPS metal reelseat will not be covered under warranty. A repair fee will be issued.
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In reply to Post #42
Not necessarily true, the three ounce lead may slow much quicker in flight as the drag of the line its pulling increases.
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In reply to Post #41
But if you used the same amount of faster speed with a 3oz as you do with a 4oz, you'd cast even further than you do now with the speed you're currently generating for the 4oz. So yeah, hand speed is key, plus all the other dynamics that go into casting.
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In reply to Post #40
Think that’s more down to casting style really. I can generate more speed with a 3oz but can cast further with a 4oz.
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In reply to Post #39
Which is why I think it a daft idea to put these on long range rods as you'd want the lightest as possible to achieve to quickest hand speed as possible, the quicker the hand speed the longer the cast.
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In reply to Post #38
Its the opposite , there isnt alot of room between the blank and reel seat and they are quite heavy compared to fuji .They are very well made though but you pay a premium for that.
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In reply to Post #37
Im sure i got told that the alps seats are too big for most blanks and need a fair amount of filling put in to secure them. Could it be something to do with the way they are filled?
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In reply to Post #36
You might not ever have a problem different blanks for different jobs mate 👍🏼
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In reply to Post #35
Thanks for the replies lads, very interesting. My ALPs are Gunsmokes and on my Treb Lites built by John at Eaton Rod Craft. Still immaculate and so far never had a problem with them
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In reply to Post #30
Personally I think it has something to do with the century blank combined with the reel seats. The c2d was designed for use without a shockleader. I think I’m right in saying that most crack offs occur in the butt section of the rod and to combat this century slightly softened the butt section and stiffened the tip of the rod to reduce crack offs without a shockleader. I think in softening the butt section and there being no flex in the alps it can cause breakages. Obviously this is just my option and what I have found it is no way ment to slate century I have always owned various models of there rods and loved them however the c2d is a different story.
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In reply to Post #31
I have a set of Fuji seats on my other torrix rods, and I like them too, they are quality and have never let me down, infact they're still perfect after 8 years of use.
I must admit I do tend to look after my stuff and put it away in the same condition it went out in, but I wouldn't say it's a nightmare.
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In reply to Post #30
I have built a number of rods with alps reel seats i would have to check records but its got to be approaching 100 and i have never had one break to my knowledge , however i only build on harrison blanks so cant add anything re century, have definately built on aviators and trebs and 4lb 13ft ballistas for distance.
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In reply to Post #30
No,mine have been fine and before I had my last rods built by Kev Clayton I asked about this issue.My rods are Harrison aviators
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In reply to Post #15
Not a.fan of ALPS at all. Fuji have always been great. Nah, all that shinny stuff isn't for me. Luckily enough we're all different.
Ha, would love to see an OCD type with those reel seats, and those reels, lol. Bet they're a nightmare to keep looking gleaming.
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In reply to Post #29
Thank you for the reply mate. The different people getting the breakages in the same place are they all with the Century blank or with other blanks? I can understand Terry and other extreme casters breaking rods due to the inflexibility of these reel seats as his images show the depth as to which blanks can be compressed and its frightening. Could your breakages be partly attributed to issues with the blanks or possibly the way the real seats have been positioned on the blank? Has anybody else had a breakage with an ALPs seat on rods such as Treb Lites, Free Spirits, Daiwa's or builders own blanks?
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In reply to Post #28
Hi glen, terry has undoubtedly broke many blanks with and without alps seats. I can only speak from my experience and they are absolute pants. The problem i have been told is there is no flex in the reel seats and on compression of the rod the carbon can break inside the seat this has happened to me twice. And what’s even more worrying is one was on a 100 yard chuck!. I hardly fish with them anymore I take other less expensive models that are more reliable and sacrifice some distance. When they broke I was using 15lb line I had no crack off or frap up it was simply the rod broke inside the reel seat. I paid full price for a top end casting rod and I’m left with rods I don’t even take because I know they will let me down.
As far as saying I’m the only one to have issues I can assure you I’m not. I know multiple people who have had the breakage in the exact same place!. Most people have these rods and never use them for what there intended for. They have distance rods and use them to chuck 100 yards and sing there praises about how great they are. I have used them for what they was intended for level line distance casting and they can cast no doubt about that but the reliability isn’t there for a 500 quid rod I think it should be.
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In reply to Post #23
I understand that Terry has said this but it is only you that has actually come out and stated that it was a problem with the C2Ds. Do you know what other blanks Terry has broken with Alps because at the moment there is nothing conclusive. We are getting rod builders on here saying that they have had no issues?
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In reply to Post #26
Too late for that. Just have to put up with it. Kev Clayton did advise me that it can be a problem when I had them built but wanted black so gave it a go, it’s only cosmetic, and if I stay on the left side of my rods, I can’t see it anyway. Worst case I’ll just re spray them at some point.
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In reply to Post #22
A bit of foam pipe insulation works a treat to protect the black painted collars 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #22
Mine have done that as well, when I can be arsed I just touch them up with a Sharpie
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In reply to Post #18
Its the black fuji reel seats that are a problem , its different paint than it used to be.
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Can only speak from my experience and I’ve had 2 break on casts and not massive chucks either. A rod builder told me it was a regular occurrence on the c2ds. I spoke to Terry Edmonds and he to confirmed that he had suffered a few breakages on the alps reel seats. If it is a distance rod I would stay away.
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In reply to Post #21
They are definitely affected by temperature. Its metal at the end of the day, and will heat up in sunlight and get cold in winter, same way a car does. Doesnt bother some people clearly, but i didnt like it.
When did they stop making the fuji seats in japan? I have black on mine and the paint has chipped off on the collars where the rods are stored made up and the tip section rubs? Not sure if this is down to that or just crappy paint. Cant say they feel any different other than that to the silver ones i have on another set of rods that are 14 years old now.
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I've got gunmetal centra lock window seats - no scratches and again I haven't noticed any temperature differences vs normal seats.
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In reply to Post #7
Your right about the gunsmoke ones.
I had 3 matching on a set of customs, then as ive a water where two rod only which I fished for a few years you can see that they also fade a touch over time as well.
Other then that - never noticed that alps seats are colder or hotter in winter, and I really like them- for me I think they are more comfortable in hand. I cant remember which ones mine are but they are not the wave version
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In reply to Post #17
Thanks mate, I was really matching up my reel seats and the titanium rings on these rods with my reels and I knew they'd all go well with these XSB's or my other XTB's.
I don't think you'd regret buying the ALP's at all. Good luck with whatever you choose 👍
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In reply to Post #17
I had black wave locks put on my custom builds about 3 years ago and they still look fine with no marks on them. I’ve just had a set of 10ft rods built and was advised not to fit fuji seats as they are not made in Japan anymore and the quality of them is pretty cr@p now. They’ve had to replace quite a few of them and have moved over to fitting sea guides reel seats.
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Thanks for all the replies. It seems from this that they’re a bit marmite. I really like the look of them but I’m a bit concerned that they’ll end up scratched up and looking a mess. I think I been spending too long looking at rod builders websites and fab pages.
I’m not too worried about them being cold in winter as I don’t catch enough at this time of year to bother me.
RigDemon they look really nice. I was thinking of going for centra locks too as they’re a bit more of a sensible price than the waveforms.
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In reply to Post #15
Nice and blingy like mine, never mind all this stealthy crap
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In reply to Post #1
I've just bought a new set of custom Torrix TE's made by Vic Gibson and it was the first time I've ordered a set of ALPS reel seats, but I went for these Chrome Centra Lock Seats and must admit, I love them. Quality is right up there. I don't think you'll be dissatisfied one bit 👍
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Never heard of rods snapping , ones i have built customers love them , I personally dont like them , they are as stated cold in winter and hard to keep clean , i must admit they look nice but i will stick with my fujis.
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In reply to Post #12
I've heard that reported many a time regarding ALPs seats and to be honest I have never, ever noticed them being either any hotter or colder than my DPS 
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In reply to Post #9
😂😂should have posted that in the Nonsense you hear in carp fishing thread !!
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In reply to Post #8
Me too Braders, Kev did my 4 treb lights, superb bits of kit.
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Great from a cosmetic view. But... are very cold to touch in winter and very hot in summer when exposed to hot sunlight. They also add a fair bit to the cost for no real advantage IMO.
I had some rods built by Kev Clayton last year and had the fuji gunsmoke real seats on them.
Your money, your choice at the end of the day.
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In reply to Post #5
Kev Clayton built my last two sets and I asked about alps seats and rods snapping,he had never had any issues whatsoever
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In reply to Post #1
I had them on a set of rods that i had custom built. Had to send them back in the end as the reel seats didnt match and the build quality was terrible, but thats another story.
Apparently the gun smoke ones are difficult to colour match to eachother. Not sure on the validity of this but was told by 2 rod builders.
When i used the rods on the one occassion it was winter, and one thing to nare in mind with them is being metal, they get really cold. I opted against them when i reordered the rods and went for fujis
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In reply to Post #1
Very Happy with mine, shiney stainless steel jobby and very blingy.
As already said not everbody likes them and seem to have an opinion on them one way or another.
A lot of swim visitors ask about them by the way
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In reply to Post #1
I looked at getting some built by Mark Tunley, but was put off by the fact that the guarantee doesn’t include rods snapping at the reel seat when built with Alps seats. Not sure if other builders have the same terms but there’s a reason it’s there!
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In reply to Post #3
I got some on my barbel rods, and have regretted it ever since. look the part, but wish i hadn't bothered in all honesty.
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In reply to Post #1
ALPS Centra-Lock for me
Belgium Rod builder which uses a lot of ALPS
Poeli's rods
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In reply to Post #1
Had them on my last two sets of rods and I like them but alot of people don't
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I’m thinking of getting a rod custom built and I’ve been looking at the different options for reel seats. I really like the look of the ALPS seats but are they practical in that they are comfortable, they fit any reel and they don’t scratch up too easily. Any advice appreciated. Thanks
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