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Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #236 26 Feb 2023 at 9.49pm    Login    Register
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Not seen the news and the blue van, I'll do some catching up.
On a selfish note not only do we have displaced traffic from our local LTN we get it from the last ULEZ expansion, traffic trying to avoid the the overloaded South Circular. So the proposed expansion would help us.
But what about all those people who can't afford compliant cars, people with lower paid jobs struggling to make ends meet with the cost of living and fuel price increases. I feel for those.
So called socialist Ocelot doesn't. That's why I think he's like my council, full of nimby champagne socialists.
I quote
There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc

@RKB
See above it's likely to be poorer Labour supporters that were protesting. Rich Tory supporters wouldn't own old non compliant vehicles.

mal
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mal
   Old Thread  #235 26 Feb 2023 at 8.58pm    Login    Register
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Sounds very like brexit to me tinhead...

Although the failure there was a bit more immediate

Were you out protesting today? Was the you in the blue van?



RKB
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RKB
   Old Thread  #234 26 Feb 2023 at 6.48pm    Login    Register
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From what Iíve seen, Iíd be absolutely amazed if those protestors donít already vote Tory.
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #233 26 Feb 2023 at 5.41pm    Login    Register
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Typically condescending, posting in Non carp that you are always right

JasonM
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   Old Thread  #232 26 Feb 2023 at 2.41pm    Login    Register
Lots of anti expansion protests in London.

Opportunity for the Tories to win some more votes.
ocelot
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ocelot
   Old Thread  #231 26 Feb 2023 at 12.32pm    Login    Register
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When a modern society decides to change people's habits for the better of the majority eventually. There will always be moaners, winners and losers. Those that don't want change will have to pay more and or be inconvenienced. Like cigarettes alcohol etc. Hope that clears it up for you Blankalot.
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #230 25 Feb 2023 at 6.28pm    Login    Register
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Not sure cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc has got to do with it but forcing change that only benefits a minority to the detriment of the majority will fail eventually.
ocelot
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ocelot
   Old Thread  #229 25 Feb 2023 at 12.30pm    Login    Register
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Champagne socialist

Should try it instead of the self centered approach.

You know well that to force long term necessary change you sometimes have to make the status quo unpalatable. Be that cigarettes, alcohol excess sugar etc.
The direction of travel regards roads and cars in populous areas is changing. That's just advancement and yes it's the future.
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #228 24 Feb 2023 at 5.37pm    Login    Register
Another petition, the reason they exist is that these schemes are only making life better for a only few rather than the many.
This petition is fair. It doesn't ask for all traffic schemes to be removed, all it asks is that under used schemes are voted on and a simple majority vote would mean they are either stay or be removed.
It's democracy
As I always say this may not affect you at the moment but is a safeguard for your future.
It only takes a minute, please do it.

PETITION
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #227 23 Feb 2023 at 1.07pm    Login    Register
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I agree car use should be reduced but the idea of removing road space and expecting the traffic to evaporate is simply not working, it's actually making it worse.
The problem is Rachel Aldred and Imperial College are dead set on encouraging more of it and produce doctored data to say that everything is hunky dory with no concern to people who are already finding it to make ends meet.
I'm not stinking rich but I'm not hard up either and can probably pay my way out of it, but is that fair that only the well off can drive around without worry?

As regards diesel vehicles. I don't know if this is true but someone told me some euro 5 vehicles can be converted to use Adblue and become complaint.
LINK
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #226 23 Feb 2023 at 12.52pm    Login    Register
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South east
Beyonce
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   Old Thread  #225 23 Feb 2023 at 8.25am    Login    Register
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What area do you live in London Tinhead?
RKB
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RKB
   Old Thread  #224 23 Feb 2023 at 7.28am    Login    Register
It'll definitely be hard for some. I went to fish at Walthamstow Reservoirs earlier in the year; about a mile inside the zone and less than 15 mins driving in total, charge = £17.50 (more than the fishing!) My "fishing car" is a small diesel that's just a little bit older than the 2016 cut off. It'll certainly put me off doing it regularly, and really the only "loser" here is the Wetlands centre itself since it'll lose the revenue. I'd have probably bought a season ticket this year, but the ULEZ charge effectively doubles the price, and I am not changing the car.

It definitely got me thinking about how those who live inside the zone and cannot afford to change their non-compliant cars would cope - guess they've got no choice. Despite all this, I think that measures need to be in place to combat unnecessary car use and to reduce the pollution in our cities. Whether this is the right way, or fair, or can be improved, I honestly don't have the answers. I do know that the list of cars that are compliant is pretty vast in comparison to those that are not, however it's not a great deal of help for anyone that's already in possession of one that's subject to the charge and the expansion will likely impact a lot of people.
Tinhead
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   Old Thread  #223 23 Feb 2023 at 1.52am    Login    Register
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I already use public transport a lot.

Probably doesn't affect champagne socialists like yourself but I don't think I'll be the only one who thinks it's wrong, what about carers and other under valued people on low wages that are already facing the ULEZ.
I don't think telling them that they holding back the future will go down well..
ocelot
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ocelot
   Old Thread  #222 22 Feb 2023 at 9.53pm    Login    Register
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Or you'll have to get the bus or other transport more often Blankalot. You can't hold back the future because they drew a line and it didn't suit you.
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