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The petition simply asks that people should be allowed to choose.
If enough people want a 15 minute city (15MC) then they'll get one.
I live in London and within a 15 minute walk I have some independent mini markets but no major supermarket or shops. The higher prices and the lack of choice and availability would mean a 15MC would not work for me. That's in London, outside I'd imagine people elsewhere would have far less choice.
As for cycling, however bad London traffic has got there doesn't seem to be a significant uptake in cycling.
I haven't got a link to hand but after the initial rise in cycling in lockdown it's back down to pre covid levels.
Much road space has been given up for mostly empty cycle lanes causing gridlock and more pollution, the opposite to what is supposed to happen.
I don't know about other areas but around here people rarely drive for pleasure, those days are long gone.
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| | | RKB | | Posts: 1248 |  | |
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In reply to Post #274
People seem to overlook the fact that the opposite of “car dependent” is not “car free”.
The goal is to provide urban and suburban environments that do not require car travel for everyday activities. In no way whatsoever does that mean that people will be prohibited from driving, or can’t have a van, or any of the other amusing claims the conspiracist gobsh*tes are peddling on social media. If anything, for people who really need to drive (the elderly, tradesmen, disabled, etc.. all the “but-what-about”s, basically), these schemes will make their life easier by removing all the other drivers who don’t actually need to be in a car.
But I think a lot of people in towns and cities have got used to driving to places and don’t consider that there could be closer, quicker options if they chose a different mode of travel: 15 minutes is actually a fair distance on foot, and on a bike it covers a bigger area than most towns.
Here’s a handy online tool to see what you’ve got within 15 minutes of where you live: https://app.traveltime.com/ The walking times it uses are for a fairly leisurely walker: I can reach its “25 minute” radius in about 20 minutes.
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 |  | |
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In reply to Post #273
Isn't the idea just to provide people in big cities with essentials like healthcare, schools, etc locally? I thought folk would still be able to traipse across London to get to a dentist if they want to.
It's odd that the 15 minute city thing has been taken up by the conspiracy mob to be the next thing to wet themselves about, now that they can't complain about having to wear masks / lockdowns / compulsory vaccines that never happened.
There's plenty of reasonable criticism of LTNs by reasonable people. I've only seen Piers Corbyn soundalikes complaining about the idea of 15 minute cities, which makes me think they must be fine.
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15 minutes cities
Should they be forced upon us or should we be allowed to say whether we want them or not?
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In reply to Post #268
Not trying to be pedantic I simply didn't understand your post.
Sometimes we write and we know what we mean but to others it may not be so clear.
When you say a 'few' I'm still not sure who you are referring to.
Not having ago at RKB but I don't understand his post 'not mutually exclusive'
Does that mean if you don't like ULEZ and/or Khan then you can/can't call out facisism?
It's only a post, it's not that important if I understand it but it's an example of what I'm trying to get at.
It happens all the time on this forum 
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| | | RKB | | Posts: 1248 | | |
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Disliking ULEZ or Sadiq Khan and calling out fascism is not mutually exclusive, chaps.
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In reply to Post #269
But how many of them were outside the meeting in question?
The cameras don't lie. The Mayor does.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8986 |  | |
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In reply to Post #267
All in his head...
Maybe you need to get yours out of the sand if you don't see the problem in far right ideology on the rise...
Want some examples? I mean real ones? Not the ones you think are just in his head?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/02/tories-far-right-rhetoric
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/suella-braverman-invasion-far-right-rhetoric-tory-party/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-far-right-extremists-join-conservatives-support-britain-first-a9252201.html
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/07/21/the-far-righting-of-the-conservative-party/
https://irr.org.uk/article/the-rise-of-britains-far-right/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/25/house-of-lords-worked-with-far-right
And surely you've heard of these nasty little creatures...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/15/patriotic-alternative-trying-to-inflame-local-tensions-in-britain-to-spread-far-right-stance
But ... it's all in Khan's head right?
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In reply to Post #264
You believe that LTN's that affect you are decided by environmental racists, chosen on racist lines because they affect majority non white areas . No need to be pedantic Blankalot. 
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In reply to Post #266
The only far right wing is in Khan's head. Everyone who disagrees is, according to him far right. He makes a very strong accusation of Tories being far right. Given that a very large percentage of the Jewish community vote Tory such a suggestion could be viewed as being Anti Semetic. Pairing Jews with Nazis would be somewhat dumb.
Don't fall into the trap.
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In reply to Post #265
Your excuses for the far right wing targeting of an individual.
'Be careful' of what exactly?
Is that generic advice (I already avoid potholes and walking under ladders and I manage my cholesterol levels) - or is it meant in a more threatening manner?
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In reply to Post #262
My excuses for what exactly?
Be careful.
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In reply to Post #263
Not sure what you mean, at the moment we are talking about the ULEZ expansion, as far as I'm aware that has nothing to do with race.
While on the subject what percentage of the crowd were Nazis? Minute I would have thought.
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In reply to Post #259
You're agreed Blankalot with the view that these schemes are "environmental racism" because affected areas are predominantly non white.
Pretty sure that view and endorsement has pissed a few off who welcome the change.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8986 | | |
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In reply to Post #261
Given the right wing / nazi sympathisers history with hiding evidence/ lying / denying atrocities (holocaust - Well I never saw it so it didn't happen) ....etc etc.
Carry on finding your excuses for it eh?
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NON Carp stuff