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TCarper
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   Old Thread  #1881 20 Oct 2023 at 7.29am  2  Login    Register
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Very dodgy questions. Of course it's a SHB trade secret

No. I should really have said, we are taking the 'soluble' food ingredients in that sentance, from inside the cooked bait. Our curing process involves two different types of liquids (cures). Obviously for the Bug, both are based entirely around the Bug liquid food.

I actually asked Jason to send me some readymades to match up too. But only after, I had smelled the base mix for the first time. The base mix, has a very strong creamy aroma, that smells nothing like the liquid food that the finished bait smells of. I knew straight away, when I first smelled the base mix, that we were going to slightly change the smell of the finished Bug hookbaits after it went through our curing processes. I knew we would drag that creamy aroma (among other things) out from the base mix itself. And it did. They are currently being matched up for smell to the human nose (it only matters to you lot, not the fish). The smell to our noses changed ever so slightly, but it's only all stuff that is inside the baits base mix already, we have just dragged it out. That changes the smell very slightly. The important part of the process is that it has also changed the structure of the hook bait itself, how it will now react once it goes under water. It becomes uber soluble, it's been unlocked.

The process is absolutely EVERYTHING. Our GPB2 are so incredible, because they contain a stupid amount of soluble pre digested fishmeal. Locking that inside a bait is very easy. We are unlocking it to a fish through our curing process though. I could give you two hook baits. Both identical in every single way to you. One is made in a traditional way. One is put through our process five times. The difference to the carp is absolutely stupid. One will outfish the other 5 - 1 or more.

No more dodgy questions pretty please. Wait for the hook bait article. It will get posted online eventually
scozza
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   Old Thread  #1880 20 Oct 2023 at 6.42am  1  Login    Register
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taking the dry powdered food ingredients inside the Bug, liquefying it

Interesting reading as usual Mark

So you are soaking the base mix and then drying it out before rolling it? Could be me that has misinterpreted that wrong? If itís a SH trade secret, no bother
TCarper
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   Old Thread  #1879 20 Oct 2023 at 5.20am  4  Login    Register
Dan loving life



Andy's biggest from that 2500 acre public venue, S3 over Creamino freezer baits





FishOn Ricci with a relic, GPB2/S2 over Krill



Carl's son Jude, biggest in lake, GPB2 over Inception freezer baits



Carl, GPB2 over Inception



JUde, GPB2 over Inception


ron83
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ron83
   Old Thread  #1878 19 Oct 2023 at 10.15pm  1  Login    Register
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Exciting times - should have a message from me
Spike
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Spike
   Old Thread  #1877 19 Oct 2023 at 4.17pm  1  Login    Register
Ordered and canít wait to try out
Boo
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Boo
   Old Thread  #1876 19 Oct 2023 at 12.47pm  1  Login    Register
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Looking forward to getting these in my collection 😂
Mattsaunders
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Mattsaunders
   Old Thread  #1875 19 Oct 2023 at 11.30am  1  Login    Register
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I would love to take some of these to France on the 4th November. I've messaged the WhatsApp numer. Cheers Matt
TCarper
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   Old Thread  #1874 19 Oct 2023 at 6.47am  9  Login    Register
The Bug hook baits are done and at various stages of the curing process currently. They will be ready to send out next week. They are identical to the Bug freezer baits in look and smell. They contain 80% Bug base mix, with some of our gear added to the base mix. The liquid cure, is around 70% Bug liquid food. We took the oils that go into this bait separately, and have processed them before adding them to the hook baits. They have then gone through our curing process five times. Putting them through this process, is taking the dry powdered food ingredients inside the Bug, liquefying it, then popping it all back into the hook bait along with the liquid food. They are 100% food, with natural cork for buoyancy. We have added no binders to the Bug, just our magic.

They have gone through this curing process really, really well. From the catch reports I constantly see, it's a great freezer bait. We have just turned that into a hook bait, that the carp will find absolutely irresistible.

Anybody who has already previously messaged our work phone about them, or PM'd on here will be getting them. We only have a certain amount done for now. The balanced might be slightly more buoyant than ideal on this first batch. I have never seen this bait previously. I even asked Jason to send me a few readymades, just so I could make sure the finished hook baits were identical to the food bait. Knowing how much cork is required to balance them, can only be discovered through practice. You only find out how dense and heavy a mix is, after it's rolled. The Bug is an incredibly light mix it would seem. I would imagine when completed the balanced will be slightly more buoyant than ideal (easy resolve). The pop ups, will hold up a tank in terms of buoyancy.

The only people who are getting these for now, are Jason, a couple of his sponsored anglers and you lot on this forum. Someone asked us in the comments on a social media post this week when the Cheese would be available. I stupidly replied. Two hours later, after a scary amount of messages to our work phone, I had to delete the comment.

Just for these. Please PM me on here, if you are a named CF member who has already previously shown interest in them. I will tell you how to order them. We have them in 16 & 13mm CC pop ups. And 16 & 13mm balanced. They will be sent out next week. Please make sure you add the full name that will be on the order in the PM, and also sizes, pop ups or balanced.



Some of what we have done drying between cures





This two photos below are a 12 egg mix of Bug balanced hook baits in the bin, just after boiling. I had never seen anything like it. After boiling, the structure of the bait changed completely. They underwent some sort of strange chemical reaction in the boiling water. The bait fell apart, crumbled on its own, flaked around the edges and resembled a sponge texturewise. I panicked and was straight on the phone to Jason at DNA. I knew as soon as I boiled them, that DNA would unquestionably have had big problems cooking this bait themselves. This is the reason that the Bug is the only one of their baits, which they will not sell you the base mix for. Jason told me they wasted 100's of kg's of bait while developing it. Loads of it floating, or crumbling if not prepared in certain ways. I could see exactly why!! I have never experienced anything like it with a base mix. Nothing worth having is ever easy. We had already rolled the pop ups. They came out absolutely perfect straight away. But the much higher proportion of cork in the hook baits, had clearly given it far more structural strength. This allowed it to be cooked in a normal way, without provoking this reaction at all. The pop ups were sorted perfectly straight away. The balanced, took a lot more care and attention to get right! A 12 egg mix, is a lot of hook baits in the bin.





Same mix, golden this time.

reubenmills
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reubenmills
   Old Thread  #1873 16 Oct 2023 at 4.33pm  1  Login    Register
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Thank you - how does one get put on the waiting list for some of those bug wafters / hookbaits please ?!
Muddy_Hi-Lux
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Muddy_Hi-Lux
   Old Thread  #1872 16 Oct 2023 at 12.46pm  1  Login    Register
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Blimey, fished there in 2004 just after John and Maiv acquired it, as a test fish. 4 of us went.
Biggest fish of the week 35lb (his only fish). I had loads and loads, biggest 16lb
scozza
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   Old Thread  #1871 16 Oct 2023 at 6.59am  1  Login    Register
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Well done that man

Must be nice when you have somewhere like that to fish!
Dekay
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Dekay
   Old Thread  #1870 15 Oct 2023 at 3.02pm  1  Login    Register
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😂😂 Ridiculous, you couldnít make it up. Absolutely smashed it out of the park.
TCarper
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   Old Thread  #1869 15 Oct 2023 at 2.40pm  3  Login    Register
Andrew & Tony are on a tour of public venues in france. They are currently on a 2500 acre venue. After moving around , they have finally located some fish and have started to catch.

Bet they get a monster.



Andrew, white S3 cc pop up.



TCarper
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   Old Thread  #1868 15 Oct 2023 at 12.49pm  6  Login    Register
What Roger has just done at Lac Serene over the last seven days on a fishing holiday is pretty incredible. He personally caught the biggest fish in the lake, the mid 80 twice. One of the most sort after fish in a French holiday venue apparently. Repeated on several other bigguns as well. Caught the second biggest fish in the venue, and I'm quite sure the third biggest too. He banked 29 fish. Doubt anyone has ever done, what he has just done on that lake in seven days before.

Well done Roger, what a holiday.

All GPB2 crushed cork pop ups



















































AndyClark
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AndyClark
   Old Thread  #1867 15 Oct 2023 at 12.36pm  1  Login    Register
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I'll be all over them bug baits when you get them sorted mate
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