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Robecutt
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Robecutt
   Old Thread  #260 22 Feb 2018 at 12.03pm    Login    Register
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Not posted before so hello & just like to say great forum
Given govt has rejected otter petition what should the members of this forum do?
Join the anglingtrust? Im not currently a member but may now join
their otter policy isnít in line with our thinking but the only way you change policy is to lobby and best way to do that maybe as a member
I support PAG not sure what if any other platform is out there
This is a complex issue which will take time but angling needs one voice if there is to be any change
Chuffy
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Chuffy
   Old Thread  #259 22 Feb 2018 at 9.45am    Login    Register
Govt. Response
Frenzy
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   Old Thread  #258 21 Feb 2018 at 8.25pm    Login    Register
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Petition rejected

Hate to say.....

Told you so
Dodsy
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   Old Thread  #257 13 Feb 2018 at 7.20pm    Login    Register
Signed
Frenzy
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Frenzy
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   Old Thread  #256 9 Feb 2018 at 5.35pm    Login    Register
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It's such a worry mate...I found a small jack pike today...very fresh, well chewed...couldn't say by what as it had been chewed right to the back bone, which isn't classic otter marks...may be a cormorant had it, spat it out during flight and the rats etc had a chew...I'll never know I guess...just makes your stomach churn...
Boycie
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Boycie
   Old Thread  #255 9 Feb 2018 at 5.22pm    Login    Register
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I know that feeling Joss. I've got one of the PAG cameras on loan, I've been checking it each morning & they're regular as clockwork. Out of the river at 2am then off around site looking for a route in. Back in the river at 2:30. Got Monday off work to get some fortifications done as I've found a few weaknesses.
Frenzy
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Frenzy
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   Old Thread  #254 9 Feb 2018 at 5.09pm    Login    Register
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Thanks mate..

I also walk my lake daily, dreading what I might find, even with it being fenced...
Skear
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Skear
   Old Thread  #253 9 Feb 2018 at 4.29pm    Login    Register
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Joss, i fully understand, and sympathise mate, and as iíve said many times before, you are all doing good things, and a sight more than anybody else on the matter.

I think i am just going to do all i can do, which involves, a few prayers, fingers crossed, and the occasional burying my head in the sand, hoping it will never happen to me.
Frenzy
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   Old Thread  #252 9 Feb 2018 at 12.27pm    Login    Register
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mate, its the most frustrating topic I have ever got involved with..it drives me insane, especially of late!!

I get that many phonecalls, txt, e-mails, pms etc regarding this and I so wish I could offer a more concrete solution.

There isn't one....

fence, or loose your stock at some point!

if you cant fence, there is currently no means of legal protection.

do I think there should be more help...YES of course I do...what help?

less restrictions on fencing waters, less red tape

more education surrounding otters is needed, for anglers and non anglers

are otters over protected...definitely!

should we drop the protection and what will that achieve?

well...my take on it..

drop protection of otters....what will it achieve...not a lot I suspect apart from every fishery owner applying for a shotgun licence and loads of dead otters with a massive backlash towards angling from non anglers, then the otter will be straight back on the protected species list...and we start again

Skear
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Skear
   Old Thread  #251 9 Feb 2018 at 8.41am    Login    Register
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Yeah, i know Les from way back mate, the Carp Cellar etc, although havenít spoken to him in a long time.

Thatís very sad about the fish mate, and these findings are a stark grissly wake up call, and a reminder, that the otter problem is very real. Yet still very little being done about it.

Iím wracking my brains trying to think of something, that would gather ground quickly in this nightmare. Iím constantly being told, iíd be wasting my time though?

carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #250 9 Feb 2018 at 8.04am    Login    Register
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You can't take away the history surrounding Redmire Steve but it's such a shame the water is a pale shadow of what it once was, I fish with someone who has known Les Bamford since the 80's also another friend of mine knows him well and helped out with a few carp stockings so over the years I have been told a few bits and pieces and have an understanding of things that have gone on at the lake.

A few of the remains of what was found of the fish at the day ticket lake that holds carp to 36lb (not Redmire).

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Skear
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Skear
   Old Thread  #249 8 Feb 2018 at 10.42pm    Login    Register
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I had heard rumours of predation at Redmire Ian, and some i spoke too played it down.
Really is a bloody shame.

I know what you mean about local fishing, i was lucky in having many good waters on my doorstep, or not far away. I still used to like a change though, so did travel around quite a bit.

Since getting back into it, i want to fish local again now, because of limited time etc but, many of the clubs and syndicates i once took for granted, now have long waiting lists, and at my age, by time iíll get an interview, iíll have a zimmer frame!

Then, one water that is dear to me, i managed to get a ticket for again, and finally decided to tackle it again, for old times sake, it had an oxygen crash, and massive fish kill.
It took years to get back from the last fish kill in the 90ís.
I was trully gutted, i can imagine how people feel when the otter strikes now. To have everything taken, in one swoop, and not being able to do anything is awful.

Iím doing a bit of long distance angling again now, which iím enjoying apart from traffic. Might be moving soon too, so new challenges hopefully.

Never fished Redmire, although stood on the banks there twice. I didnít feel the magic there though, as i think thatís long gone.

Lovely water though, amazing in fact, back in the day, and a lovely part of the world you live in, which should have an abundance of good angling, instead of the doom and gloom.

I do honestly feel for you mate.
carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #248 8 Feb 2018 at 10.17pm    Login    Register
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Not far at all as the crowflies Steve probably less than 5 miles about 8 or 9 by road, Redmire has been predated for sometime now.

I've done my days of travelling to lakes around the Uk and I've been quite happy fishing locally the last few years but everywhere around Herefordshire is getting predated, very very sad times.

midlandman
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midlandman
   Old Thread  #247 8 Feb 2018 at 9.40pm    Login    Register
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I should like to add a welcome to Dave Webb on here. We may be on the other side of the coin, so to speak, but I will always acknowledge a reasonable man, and Dave does appear to be such a person.
Skear
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Skear
   Old Thread  #246 8 Feb 2018 at 9.22pm    Login    Register
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So, what do you suggest Dave, i mean apart from the legal trapping in the confines of a fenced water?

Are there other plans, or ideas in place? The otter is eradicating fish, birds and small mammals, at an alarming rate, and nobody apart from possibly some under the radar, are doing anything? think smiley 32
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