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wandle1
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wandle1
   Old Thread  #301 8 Dec 2022 at 8.44pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #300
Yep....what I said years ago.,all come true..got a released single Beaver in my local river,done loads of damage in one area already ...

Thanks to Mr Henk cattle breeder ,himself..my local waters will never recover,nor will the ecosystems..my evenings involve daily checking of two venues,fence,mesh ,electric..if it wasn't for me these lakes are dead ,finito

So last week ,fishing my elderly friends lake,a place I have loved since aged 14,...I'm the only one allowed to fish it now,plop,bubbles ,leaping fish ...I shook my head,packed up,came home ,wondering how long those remaining few carp have left ,are they dead,ripped up on the bank ,body parts missing ..

The owner ,my friend,she's 85,I have not ,will not tell her..
Greybeard54
Posts: 310
   Old Thread  #300 8 Dec 2022 at 1.18am    Login    Register
It will go more or less the same way as badgers, give them protection and when they get to such numbers they are forced to turn to prey other than that is normal to them, implement culls, usually at great financial costs, not to mention the detrimental affects to other species. some of which may never recover.
it's a result of city folk telling country folk how to run things.
I imagine most of you will now have seen video evidence of otters killing geese in the center of Wroxham on a busy saturday surrounded by holidaymakers, not the shy secretive creature it once was eh??
a cynical person might think it has seen humans before, and knows no fear of them.
signatures wont stop otters.
and yes I have lost well over a 100k worth of leney stock to almost 35lb in a lot less time than it takes to build a fence. in addition to scores of double figure tench,bream not far off the record, pike over 30lb, and roach and rudd that any angler would be thrilled to land.
then they moved onto the other wildlife, mussels, amphibians, songbirds, wildfowl, even swans are not immune from them.
they kill for fun rather than necessity, until an area is devoid of life, which probably went a long way to their previous reduction in numbers.

the clowns that made this happen are the same bunch who want wolves and bears, lynx buffalo and [insert latest crackpot idea here] into this small overcrowded island.

Andydave
Posts: 840
   Old Thread  #299 8 Apr 2021 at 6.35pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #297
Maybe not completely run its course?? https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/577582
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #297 20 Mar 2018 at 3.26pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #296
Good for you mate,

Guess otter stuff has run it's course on here....... for now .

Well done with your 8 posts btw
Robecutt
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Robecutt
   Old Thread  #296 8 Mar 2018 at 3.52pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #279
I've joined the angling trust today and parted with my £29
As some of us have said angling needs one voice and unless an alternative emerges the angling trust looks the only hope currently
the only way to have a voice in the angling trust is to join it

Rob Hughes has been appointed angling trust carp consultant & i think he has credibility
see his announcement on following link
https://youtu.be/UV_keLApBPo

they have helped secure a 3 rod licence, cormorant legislation and now campaigning for control of unregulated release of rehabilitated otters

the other thing i wanted to mention was twitter as I've started following groups both for and against otters, angling etc.
this has meant i have already exchanged tweets with nature lovers who love their otters...its really important we anglers maintain empathy with these people and what I've found (apart from the odd anti I've come across) is most people will listen to your opinion. what we dont need is an aggressive approach that does nothing but turn more people against angling. I believe that over time more people will be persuaded that in certain areas otters need to be controlled.
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #295 5 Mar 2018 at 3.12pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #277
As it is now St Piran's Day, maybe give your evidence of the 80 plus waters that you say have been affected by otters to younger guns to get your stuff on social media mate?

So are you saying there are no venues - except the one's you know are fenced - that are worth fishing now in kernow?

GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #294 4 Mar 2018 at 12.25pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #293
No need to sell your carp gear mate. There will always be places to fish.

Think you missed the point, yes it was old news , but at the time he had a profile that went beyond anglers, and if no one - who are not anglers - took any notice then how is it going to happen now??

As for Ali Hamidi and the others in the monster carp fishing programs he is in on tv with, not a chance of non anglers even knowing who they are.

Jeremy Wade is a different case, river monsters is an entertainment program and very good too, but to go back to your statement about people joining the AT, it will not be happening trust - pardon the pun - me.
Robecutt
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Robecutt
   Old Thread  #293 3 Mar 2018 at 10.39pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #292
Well letís all put the carp gear on eBay now then !
This is old news I am a massive fan of John Wilson the mans a legend but this is 2018 and a new band of anglers are in the spotlight ie Jeremy Wade Ali Hamidi & social media means every angler has a voice

The point I originally made was the AT rhetoric towards otter predatation has changed for the better
I was merely stating that that for me was enough to warrant joining and the more people we can encourage to join the better
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #292 3 Mar 2018 at 9.41pm    Login    Register
Not sure how many on here remember John Wilson, for all his faults he did bring angling to a lot of people on tv.

Here is an article on bbc - can't get much more exposure at the time than that - about otters:

John Wilson - Otters

This is from 2013, so for anyone on here who calls me a troll about otters, think I have been more aware than a lot who have now jumped on the bandwagon.

However, the sad thing is, if a tv presenter with the 'power' he had in the media at the time had no effect on public opinion , there is no chance now.

Tight lines to all
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #291 3 Mar 2018 at 7.35pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #290
You will learn mate.

Don't be so arrogant to suggest if 'all carp anglers' joined the AT they will make carp angling their priority lol , look on their website to see what they actually do.

Robecutt
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Robecutt
   Old Thread  #290 3 Mar 2018 at 7.21pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #288
I agree they do good work for all anglers. I was just making the point that IF all carp anglers were members carp Angling would be their number 1 priority based on fact carp Angling is the most popular genre.

I would never accept that anglers canít be persuaded to join the AT for cost of a bag of pellets or a packet of hooks per month. Neither will I accept that the public canít be persuaded to understand the otter problem.
It wonít be easy it will need a strategy and the best brains in Angling inc the best media stars to deliver our message. In order to do that we need one voice and the funds to do it. Birdwatchers have managed to get unilaterally behind the RSPB itís time anglers followed suit and stood up for Angling
Skear
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Skear
   Old Thread  #289 3 Mar 2018 at 6.46pm    Login    Register
The trouble is, as iíve mentioned before, at the moment, although large stretches of river, and many stillwaters have been devestated, many venues, and anglers, so far, have not.
Lots will go on websites and social media saying what should be done but, unless it directly effects them, thatís about as far as their campaign will go.

We do need to be a strong and numerous body of people to be taken seriously. The EA, RSPB, Wildlife Trust, just to mention a few, all know what is going on with the otter but, seem to be **** scared of doing or suggesting anything?

These animals do need culling, and controlling, just like other animals that cause problems. There are other animals, causing a lot less problems than otter, that are under regular control.

Why canít all these groups come together as one?
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #288 3 Mar 2018 at 6.39pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #286
If you look at what the AT currently do, your remark about their 'agenda' being a carp anglers one shows a lack of understanding of what they try to do for ALL anglers

If you are so socially media aware, don't waste your time with fishing social media, they already know! get wandle1 or others to give you pics of the damage and use your farcebook \ twitter presence to send them to friends, tourists boards, bbc, celebs, etc etc

NO I am not a troll, but just trying to say we know in angling what is happening in certain ares of the country with otters but somehow the message needs to get out to the public, will they care tho??

Cheers
GreyCarper
Posts: 505
   Old Thread  #287 3 Mar 2018 at 6.18pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #278
Good luck persuading anyone to join the AT mate, most people will moan about paying £29 a year, heard all the arguments on other forums in the past about what they do for the money etc etc, not seen it on here yet to be fair.

I doubt it will happen, sorry to be so pessimistic, but NOT only carp anglers every angler in my opinion should join.
Robecutt
Posts: 8
Robecutt
   Old Thread  #286 3 Mar 2018 at 6.15pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #279
Couldnít agree more 👍🏻. The Angling Trust appears the only option for one voice and once we join we then have a voice. I respect their stance on cormorants and think they are at least starting to see the otter menace fir what it is...Iím only 1 noddy carp angler but I will pester the hell out of Angling Times Korda Nash etc on social media to encourage them to speak out and ensure we try and drive up the membership. If all carp anglers were members of the angling trust their agenda would be carp Angling s agenda. I donít see any other solution.
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