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KenTownley
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KenTownley
   Old Thread  #77 1 Nov 2011 at 4.44pm  1  Login    Register
Don't know if Pete still comes on here. If he does I hope he does not mind me posting this for the previous poster:

OK after so many requests here are a couple of simple base mixes to base your own baits around. There is nothing clever here just simple balanced nutrition and if you take any of these as a base and then add your chosen attractors you won’t be going far wrong.

BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite

Depending on the exact brand of milk powder and bird food you use this will give you a bait with over 50% crude protein and about 10% oil content. Although they sound a little high it will come down if you add a few attractors to it yourself. If you really want to know the FLAA is Phenylaline, the 2nd is Methionine and the 3rd is Threonine……but all are plenty high enough to allow the carp maximum utilisation of the protein in the bait.

I have deliberately left the solubles a little on the low side so that you can add your own soluble attractors such as Betaine, MSG, liver powder etc without the bait falling to pieces in the water after 10 minutes!

Now another mix I have played with and had some promising result on before I stopped bait development was slightly different. Lower fish meal due to increased costs and slightly higher energy was the initial goal.

BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite

Again the crude protein level is above 50% but the lipids levels are higher. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd LAA are the same as the above mix although the balance is not quite as good. As with BM1 you can add your attractors to this. If you find it too soft (I like it that way and the attractors can just pour out) then try adding 2 or 3% egg albumin.

For a simple bait take any of these and add 20ml per Kg of good quality oil such as Cod liver or Salmon, a few ml of flavour if you want some and 8-10 eggs per Kg of base mix.


Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying
madi
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madi
   Old Thread  #582 29 Jun 2023 at 1.07pm  0  Login    Register
Absolute bait making novice here. To be honest, I have no clue what I've got and what I need to make a good boilie. some bait making ingredients came up on the bay and for 99p, I thought what's the worst that can happen!
my question is do I need any other ingredients to make my own boilies. what I've bought is

Spirulina 4x1kg unopened

Blood powder 1kg unopened

Egg albumen 1kg unopened

Whole egg powder 5kg unopened

Hearing meal 5lg approx opened

Fine oyster shell 2kg approx opened

Clo 10kg approx opened

Tiger nut meal and flour 15kg.

I'd like to give it a try and if it all goes terribly wrong, I'm not losing anything really. just need a little push in the right direction. thanks
marlow77
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   Old Thread  #581 23 May 2023 at 2.49am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #578
Beetroot powder for redness. Pretty darn powerful and natural
christian
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   Old Thread  #580 9 May 2023 at 4.35pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #579
Should be okay especially if you add 20ml of oil.
Richard85
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Richard85
   Old Thread  #579 9 May 2023 at 2.08pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #578
thanks, do you think that the mix will roll ok ?
christian
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   Old Thread  #578 9 May 2023 at 11.25am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #577
That mix will catch fish, so I think my advice would be to go for it. However if iy was me I think you are wasting money on Robin Red, it's not the ingredient it used to be and is an expensive red colouring. I would replace it with 50g of paprika and up the Clo tp 150g.

Clo and supergold have very different properties, supergold will add protein to your mix but not a lot else, Clo provides some binding properties, carbohydrates and oil but it is easily digestible, it's an ingredient I use a lot.
Richard85
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Richard85
   Old Thread  #577 9 May 2023 at 8.57am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #576
Hi all,
Prior to buying ingredients for a test mix I would appreciate any feedback on this mix.

Semolina 100g
Soya 100g
CLO 100g
Supergold 60 100g
LT-94 250g
CPSP-90 100g
WPC-80 100g
Robin Red 100g
GLM 20g
Beef Liver Powder 20g
Garlic Powder 10g

Not sure if I have the soubles and binders at the correct ratio.
Do CLO and Supergold offer the same properties ?

Thanks
Spike
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Spike
   Old Thread  #575 26 Jan 2023 at 8.12pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #574
How do you mean hold the boilie together like lt94 ? In terms of binder or its qualities ? If you mean as a binder then it won’t make a difference as neither will help bind.

Also not sure how buoyant insect meal is. Never used it but if it’s anything like krill or shrimp meal you won’t get near 30% without the bait being great pop ups.
Blackwater
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   Old Thread  #574 26 Jan 2023 at 4.31pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #77
I'm toying with the idea of a making the BM1 recipe, I'm just trying to think outside the box like we all do... is it possible to exchange the 30% LT94 fishmeal for Insect meal, or even swap out say 15% and add 15% insect meal?

I'm just not sure if the fishmeal is something that holds the boilie together better than the insect meal? I'm thinking along the lines of 'The Bug'

I just nee to bite the bullet and start experimenting I guess but it would be interesting to hear you thoughts.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #573 4 May 2022 at 2.34pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #570
I wouldn't bother with krill essence (not needed) or robin red (very overrated)
Peroxy99
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   Old Thread  #572 2 May 2022 at 8.40pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #571
Only 1 egg
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #571 1 May 2022 at 11.28pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #570
That's a lot of liquids, are you not using eggs?
Peroxy99
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   Old Thread  #570 1 May 2022 at 11.11pm  0  Login    Register
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Hello guys thats is my mix but i think need more proteins what i need change or add
Standar fish meal 300gr
Clo 100gr
Fish Pelets milled 300 gr
Blood plasma 50 gr
Chill powder 40gr
Cornmeal 100gr
Soya 100gr
Black pepper 10 gr

Liquids
CSL 230ml
Krill liquid 80 ml
Robin red liquid 40ml
Belechan liquid 50ml
Krill essence 0.4ml

What i need to add or change ?
Thanks
2ambream
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   Old Thread  #569 16 Feb 2022 at 7.07pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #568
It is mate, thank you for your input and a base to work with. I feel I'm getting a lot better understanding now as the topic has me researching this that and anything related to better get a feel for the science of it. Not been able to put my mixing bowl down for the last few months. I've got carp in a very large tank, it's fascinating watching them feed on different recipes. Sometimes they hang above it as if taking in the taste, then another few tweaks and they're right down on it
Smurf
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Smurf
   Old Thread  #568 14 Feb 2022 at 8.49am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #567
Its a great feeling when your own bait works well. Sorry I didn't reply you your other message, I seemed to miss it.
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