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andycarpman
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andycarpman
   Old Thread  #1000 3 Apr 2008 at 5.12pm    Login    Register

First get some leadcore, splicing needle, needle, swivels, scissors and your mainline ( i have used heavy braid here for clarity)


next, slide back the outer sheath to expose the lead, break off approx 4"


release the outer sheath and you will now have a limp section


where the lead core now ends, pass the splicing needle through the side, up the centre around and inch and back out the side


hook up the loose end in the gated end of the splicing needle


gently tease the needle back through


untill its all the way out, remove the needle


tease the loop gently to pull the loose end back in side, just as the loose end disapears, pull everything tight. repeat the above at the other end.


if you want to add a swivel (to go in a lead clip etc) slide the loop through the eye of the swivel


then pass the swivel through the loop


attach the swivel to the loop as shown, this will allow you to take the swivel back off if needed


to attach your mainline, get the free loop and your chosen mainline (the following knot is a 5 turn grinner, replace as you like with your chosen knot)


pass the line through the loop


create another loop


pass the free end through the loop 5 times


wet and tighten down the knot.


the next photos show an other method of attaching your mainline.
remove a length of lead as described earlier


insert a needle and gently singe the frayed end.


pass the splicing needle though the side and all the way out the end, attach your line and pull back through


as per the five turn grinner, create a loop and pass the line through 5 times.
wet and tighten knot


pull tight till it locks up


to splice on a swivel, remove lead, insert needle, slip a swivel over the loose end, attach loose end to needle


pull needle back through, pull tight and trim excess loose end.


hope this of use to everyone.
framey
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framey
   Old Thread  #1205 21 Nov 2020 at 4.04pm    Login    Register
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A little twist helps and try to grab the leadcore at the very end with the needle that makes it a bit easier
Theredcarp
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   Old Thread  #1204 21 Nov 2020 at 3.35pm    Login    Register
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very thorough and helpful but for me the splicing needle is the issue and never comes through any tips?
shockleader
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shockleader
   Old Thread  #1203 23 Apr 2017 at 7.32am    Login    Register
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Thanks the the op and those who commented on this thread. I've been burying my head with splicing my own lead core for some time. After some messing around (and wasted lead core and 3 broken needles) i am now tying perfect leaders every time. From my own tribulations my tips would be be:

1) Put a kink half way down the leader during splicing to prevent the lead core moving during the process

2) Splay the fibres out at the end of the braid and catch these with the latch when pulling back through. Don't try to pull too much braid back through.

3) Use ESP splicing needles.

After watching loads of videos the one below helped me the most.

https://youtu.be/4XkmHPX_mSk
Boycie
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Boycie
   Old Thread  #1202 18 Sept 2016 at 9.11pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1201
No problem, glad you're sorted. If you're new to using leadcore I can understand a degree of hesitancy but a spliced loop is exceptionally strong. Your mono will snap long before that gives way.
Slidey
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   Old Thread  #1201 18 Sept 2016 at 3.32pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1200
Thanks, yes I eventually did as you suggested and it seems to work.
Boycie
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Boycie
   Old Thread  #1200 13 Sept 2016 at 6.33am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1199
You mean the loop in the leadcore? Its a spliced loop. When cinched down the loose fibres of the leadcore compress and stop it from coming undone. The more tension applied, the tighter the compression. You can glue the splice if you wish but I never bother.
Slidey
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   Old Thread  #1199 12 Sept 2016 at 10.05pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
Hiya! Very good illustration and instructions. Can you tell me how the braid is secured? Does it not slide out? Or does it fix there once the loop is created? Thanks... Andrew
Rod_Rest
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Rod_Rest
   Old Thread  #1198 2 Aug 2016 at 6.54pm    Login    Register
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Thanks for the original post ;-)
Yogo
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Yogo
   Old Thread  #1197 4 Mar 2016 at 6.10pm    Login    Register
I'll tell you straight away what I find annoying about leadcore:

Finding info on what beads and tubing fits

Anyway it is banned on all my locals, so I have given up on it

I do quite like using it as it is a nice material but I take all the pinning the line down with a large dose of salt now to be honest. The last few feet of line, even if you are bowstringing at short to medium range, naturally pins itself down very flat

As for protecting the line from a helicopter rig's swivel, also been taking all that with a dose of sodium chloride recently as there are some little ins and outs that avoid the need for all that too

Each to their own I suppose but I think leaders are way, way overused

The point of a leader in the first place was for safety in winding up a long distance boomer cast, they never had anything to do with what went on in the lake IMO

Expect a volley of abuse now, lol, please correct me if I am missing something but let's face it leadcore and tubing are always going to be a crude ''here I am'' addition to any end setup
Fishingmadcraig
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Fishingmadcraig
   Old Thread  #1196 24 Apr 2014 at 11.26pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
very nice thank you will be try that tomorrow
slosh
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slosh
   Old Thread  #1195 24 Oct 2012 at 8.40pm    Login    Register
thank you kind sir struggled for too long but no more
happycatcher
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happycatcher
   Old Thread  #1194 23 Aug 2012 at 7.28pm    Login    Register
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Cheers
whitey1664
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whitey1664
   Old Thread  #1193 22 Aug 2012 at 7.41pm    Login    Register
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They are about the best iv'e used also good for putting sinkers back on the wire
Brian_Woolsey
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Brian_Woolsey
   Old Thread  #1192 22 Aug 2012 at 7.32pm    Login    Register
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i just use the ESP ones.
they work for me for most of the time! i break them after a while, normally when i become impatient & try to force it!

never used any others.
happycatcher
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happycatcher
   Old Thread  #1191 22 Aug 2012 at 7.18pm    Login    Register
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Do u recommend any splicing needles Brian I've snapped a few brands
Brian_Woolsey
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Brian_Woolsey
   Old Thread  #1190 22 Aug 2012 at 5.42pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1189
some splicing needles are just pants & no amount of care will stop them snapping!

with the ESP ones i find that rather than just trying to pull the needle through, its more a case of pushing the leadcore over the needle & teasing it through.

i still break them though!
happycatcher
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happycatcher
   Old Thread  #1189 22 Aug 2012 at 5.25pm    Login    Register
When I'm splicing leadcore I snap numerous splicing needles is there a knack to pulling the leadcore back inside itself it just seems really tight all the time and ends up with the gate of the splicing needle breaking
WATERWOLF
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WATERWOLF
   Old Thread  #1169 25 Mar 2012 at 5.54pm    Login    Register
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where do you put leadcore!


in the nearest bin
chrisy10
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chrisy10
   Old Thread  #1168 25 Mar 2012 at 5.44pm    Login    Register
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where do you put leadcore!
ollie18
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ollie18
   Old Thread  #1167 17 Feb 2012 at 1.51pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
instead of doing the loop to swivel technique to get the swivel on , is it still secure to slide the swivel on the leadcore then pull the leadcore through itself
DaveKing
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DaveKing
   Old Thread  #1166 9 Feb 2012 at 8.42pm    Login    Register
Cheers mate, helped a lot..
siwilson
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   Old Thread  #1165 25 Jan 2012 at 11.00pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #15
ad7770
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   Old Thread  #1164 3 Jan 2012 at 8.52pm    Login    Register
ive been thinking of making my own rigs like these never really knew how to do it.
quailty photo step by step guide will give it ago
cheers
fozzy35
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fozzy35
   Old Thread  #1162 29 May 2011 at 4.14pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1161
AshMorris
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AshMorris
   Old Thread  #1161 13 May 2011 at 12.26pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1160


(IMO anyhows)
James_carp
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James_carp
   Old Thread  #1160 12 May 2011 at 8.36pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1159
So from where the needle enters the leadcore to where it exits and pulls back through should be about a inchn half !
AshMorris
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AshMorris
   Old Thread  #1159 12 May 2011 at 6.20pm    Login    Register
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As long as youve spliced a good length, 1 and half inches for me, the splice acts like the chinese finger trap. (if youve ever heard of that?)

As the outer is pulled tight it grips the inner very tightly.
James_carp
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James_carp
   Old Thread  #1158 12 May 2011 at 5.42pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
ive just started using lead core ,it works but when u splice it what keeps the loop from slipping , i cant get my head round it
stupot1978
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stupot1978
   Old Thread  #58 28 Dec 2010 at 11.02am    Login    Register
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Excellent mate and spot on. I've been doing my own leadcore for about a year now. I personally only use on heli's myself. No matter what you use, these always going to be numpty's who don't listen and learn and use things that are dangerous to the fish. We've all seen them on the banks. My Dad was microwaving hemp
Big_Cockney
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Big_Cockney
   Old Thread  #57 11 Sept 2010 at 8.18pm    Login    Register
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Thanks for that Nick!!

I had a leadcore loop on a chod rig go on me on the cast and the 3 oz lead went straight up in the air and landed 3 feet away from me (in the Dark with me the only angler on the lake at the time). I was looking around for quite some time and then THUD!!

I was bloody furious at the time and for 2 day's later and if the ebayer I bought it from had been within reach??? well you get the picture!!

NEVER EVER trust another anglers loops or knots!! if you do remember what happened to me - or could have done!! if I had moved 3 feet forward!!

Benjiboy69
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Benjiboy69
   Old Thread  #56 22 Jun 2010 at 4.35pm    Login    Register
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Gr8 guide thanks alot
AAlentonlakes
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AAlentonlakes
   Old Thread  #55 23 Mar 2010 at 12.44pm    Login    Register
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Well done
that is a very easy to follow article with excellent photos. its by far the best explanation I have seen regarding this particular subject, including those published in some very expensive magazines
andycarpman
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andycarpman
   Old Thread  #54 15 Jan 2010 at 7.57am    Login    Register
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The diagram is not included for people to attach their mainline to the swivel that is for lead clips / running lead set ups etc
Cant-get-enough
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Cant-get-enough
   Old Thread  #53 15 Jan 2010 at 6.45am    Login    Register
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In reply to people still using a swivel to attatch mainline to the leadcore, perhaps the diagram was ment the other way around, the swivel being used to attatch a hook link? Still not a great way of using leadcore i agree, as the fish is still left with the leadcore and no way of ridding it.
BALDRIG
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BALDRIG
   Old Thread  #52 25 Sept 2009 at 8.37am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
foolafish
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foolafish
   Old Thread  #51 6 Sept 2009 at 6.05pm    Login    Register
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i think the most safest way to use leadcore is the heli chod rig its the only time i ever use leadcore only ever use tubing
nickthecoach
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nickthecoach
   Old Thread  #50 23 Jun 2009 at 6.55pm    Login    Register
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sorry to repeat what others have put up but.....first off I would never use a lead clip with lead core, this means the hooklink is still attached to the leadcore even though the lead is off....that means your carp is sitting there with 3 feet of 45lb breaking strain leadcore attached to its bottom lip!!!! it's why Marsh Prattley at Orchid Lakes banned the use of it, a 41lb Common was found dead in the reeds tangled up in leadcore.
The hooklink has to come off or don't use it!!

I also agree about the knot used, a needle knot is easy enough to tie and takes a couple of minutes to do.

I have also seen the spliced ends come undone under pressure so I normally melt the end and add superglue before pulling it back inside. Might not be the best method but i've never had one give on me.

for line attachment I prefer the palomar knot

otherwise mate a good article
andycarpman
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andycarpman
   Old Thread  #49 21 May 2009 at 7.06pm    Login    Register
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fair point scott and points noted, i dont do it that way myself so im not really an expert at the needle knot, but when i have tried it clips etc do pull off. am i right in thinking that people use a blood type knot???
Carp_Addict_20
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Carp_Addict_20
   Old Thread  #48 21 May 2009 at 7.22am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
nice tutorial.

However I have one question. In the other thread about the Dangers Of Leadcore it says do NOT use a Lead Clip with leadcore as this makes it a death rig, with pictures of a fish with it all wrapped round it!

so can i or can't i use a lead clip with it, i NEVER use a swivel to tie to the mainline and I wouldn't use any sort os bead that would stop the clip coming off??

Thanks.
scottp
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scottp
   Old Thread  #47 5 May 2009 at 4.51pm    Login    Register
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POTENTIAL DEATH RIG

These pictures are very good, however I do disagree with the second method of attachment. The knot that is used is incorrect as the excess/tail end of the knot is pointing in the wrong direction.

In the event of a lost rig/snap up/crack off.

If this was to be used with the ever popular chod rig (or some other rigs) then the bead above the rig may not be able to get over this knot. The excess/tail end of line acts in the same way as a bard does and can cause the bead to get trapped behind it, creating a piece of leadcore with a lead attached at one end and a rig at the other that can not be disgarded by the fish. The chance of this increases with thicker/stiffer line or if weed gets caught around it.

If you are to attach leadcore in this way (via spicing) then the knot used most double back on itself in order for the tail/excess end to be pointing away from the lead and leadcore. If this is done then the tail end will not impeed the movement of the bead over the knot and will allow the fish to free the rig from the leadcore.
carpman555
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   Old Thread  #46 4 May 2009 at 10.30am    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
well done mate great pics and instruction, i have used leadcore for years and find it great when used properly, a couple of points i have found the gardner leadcore the best by a long shot its much thinner,the lead never pokes through the skin and being thin your end tackle will easily slip off if you should crack off or your main line break!! my other point is some people are still tieing the leadcore to their mainline using a SWIVEL!!!!! THIS SHOULD NEVER BE DONE AS IT TURNS IT INTO A DEATH RIG! should always be tied as you have shown! well done geez.
andycarpman
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andycarpman
   Old Thread  #45 24 Apr 2009 at 10.44pm    Login    Register
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have a look here http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=157505
caller
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caller
   Old Thread  #44 24 Apr 2009 at 5.41pm    Login    Register
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hye mate just a quick one and i no that its nothing to do with ledcore but how do you add pics to your posts???
60sRules
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60sRules
   Old Thread  #43 29 Mar 2009 at 11.34pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
Well done mate thatís a great bit if instruction. Canít fault the process and can vouch that they work in practice.
kingythegreat09
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kingythegreat09
   Old Thread  #42 23 Mar 2009 at 5.47pm    Login    Register
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I have just posted a topic on trying to work out how to tie leadcore to the mainline and this has helped me a great deal

Thanx
OZZONE
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OZZONE
   Old Thread  #41 3 Mar 2009 at 6.55pm    Login    Register
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excellent pictures and explaination - A real credit to the site as these topics are very helpfull for members looking for help and advice (any more ??)
Le-Pecheur
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Le-Pecheur
   Old Thread  #40 2 Mar 2009 at 4.51pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #35
The harder you pull, the tighter it gets.

NICK1033
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NICK1033
   Old Thread  #39 12 Feb 2009 at 2.07pm    Login    Register
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leadcore is the only way that i fish now, didnt hear much about it till last year and wont go back great diagrams
LpoolCarper
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LpoolCarper
   Old Thread  #38 22 Jan 2009 at 7.52pm    Login    Register
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Great Diagram :D
petersthecarper
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petersthecarper
   Old Thread  #37 12 Jan 2009 at 4.55pm    Login    Register
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im gunna give them a try becouse im strugeling to make my own lead core good advce mate
Tallstu
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Tallstu
   Old Thread  #36 26 Nov 2008 at 8.16pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
lovely pics mate, should try doing the mags.very profesional.
secret-agent
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secret-agent
   Old Thread  #35 1 Oct 2008 at 10.36am    Login    Register
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Exactly what I was trying to say

The harder you pull, the tighter it gets.
AshMorris
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AshMorris
   Old Thread  #34 1 Oct 2008 at 10.21am    Login    Register
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It acts like the old chinese finger trap......if you've ever heard of that?
secret-agent
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secret-agent
   Old Thread  #33 1 Oct 2008 at 10.10am    Login    Register
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Since I posted that, I think I have got my head around it!!

If you push the outer section of the leadcore together, all the strands sort of open up loose but if you pull it tight , obviously it tightens up. So when pulling the tag end through it's loose allowing it to be pulled through. However, when you try and pull it back apart, the outer tightens up on the inner not letting it back through.


I don't know if that made any sense
fishyjosh
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fishyjosh
   Old Thread  #32 30 Sept 2008 at 9.23pm    Login    Register
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exact ssame thing on my mind
sablard
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sablard
   Old Thread  #31 29 Sept 2008 at 7.29pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
Ive wondered for a long time how to make my own leadcore leaders but havent got round to giving it a go but now I think there will be no more buying ready made leaders!! Thanks mate
secret-agent
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secret-agent
   Old Thread  #30 4 Aug 2008 at 5.23pm    Login    Register
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That made sense matey and I have absolutely no idea how but it does work perfectly!!! Still baffles me now why doesn't it pull through?
lux
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lux
   Old Thread  #28 3 Aug 2008 at 8.24pm    Login    Register
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When you make a loop and you gently tease the loose end back through, how does it manage to not pull all the way back through and undo the loop?

I hope that makes sense
roughamcarper
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roughamcarper
   Old Thread  #27 2 Aug 2008 at 7.31pm    Login    Register
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this way helped me soo much im now addicted to making my leadcore sections, from 6ft to 1ft all great when you catch on them just thinking that you made it
t0mfisher
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t0mfisher
   Old Thread  #26 1 Aug 2008 at 8.44pm    Login    Register
but some of it look very confusing as i am new to carp fishing and am still getting the hang of thing like this.
t0mfisher
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t0mfisher
   Old Thread  #25 1 Aug 2008 at 8.41pm    Login    Register
thanks for that i found it usefull.
karpman
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karpman
   Old Thread  #24 28 Jul 2008 at 4.55pm    Login    Register
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you need to feed the sheath over the needle as opposed to pulling the needle. if that makes sense. if you pull the needle you are tightening it down as you pull it through.
Arsenal_boy
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   Old Thread  #23 25 Jul 2008 at 10.10am    Login    Register
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ady2008
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   Old Thread  #22 24 Jul 2008 at 9.20pm    Login    Register
"gently tease the needle back through"

Thats the hardest bit, ive broken no end of splicing needles doing this, is there an easy way something im not doing.
Last few times i think ive got a bit better!
NJHarrison1979
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NJHarrison1979
   Old Thread  #21 5 Jul 2008 at 1.04pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
Bought some safezone heli leaders yesterday, decided to take them back this morning and exchanged them for some of this esp leadcore and splicing needles. Used this guide, spot on everytime. Cheers
simonwwfc
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   Old Thread  #20 25 Jun 2008 at 8.18pm    Login    Register
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spot on
flippa
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   Old Thread  #19 16 Jun 2008 at 2.01am    Login    Register
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nice very helpfull
dazzam1
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   Old Thread  #18 31 May 2008 at 2.56pm    Login    Register
In reply to Post #1000
ive just joined a new syndicate and they have banned leadcore on there. what is my best alternative to keep those last few feet pinned down and out the way.
send me messages please.
cheers
tommanleyafc
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   Old Thread  #17 30 May 2008 at 11.22pm    Login    Register
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great guide very helpful and easy to understand
mrcarpcrazy
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   Old Thread  #16 29 May 2008 at 5.35pm    Login    Register
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tried it and i love it
i think is better than buying it
GreenArmy
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   Old Thread  #15 23 May 2008 at 1.28pm    Login    Register
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the needle knot looks confusing.
GreenArmy
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   Old Thread  #14 23 May 2008 at 1.28pm    Login    Register
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the needle knot looks confusing.
Bream_Boy
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   Old Thread  #12 23 May 2008 at 1.15pm    Login    Register
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The knot is down to personal preference there is no end of possibilities. The needle knot, grinner and loop to loop are my personal favourites. The needle knot it better if there is any weed as it has a slimmer profile - thus less can catch on it.
GreenArmy
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GreenArmy
   Old Thread  #11 23 May 2008 at 11.46am    Login    Register
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not to sure about the not that ties the mainline to the leadcore, is that the only or best? not?
carpin-lad
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carpin-lad
   Old Thread  #10 5 Apr 2008 at 12.32pm    Login    Register
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all the times i have tried to splice my own leadcore and nacked it right up just tried it then and done it straight away thanks to this step by step so thanks
twenty
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   Old Thread  #9 5 Apr 2008 at 11.00am    Login    Register
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great step by step guide even idiots like myself can understand it
josh_carp
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   Old Thread  #8 5 Apr 2008 at 10.03am    Login    Register
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good guide mate if i get any lead core to do it wit i only buy ready mades
ropsie
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ropsie
   Old Thread  #7 5 Apr 2008 at 7.25am    Login    Register
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great guide mate been much help
andycarpman
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   Old Thread  #6 4 Apr 2008 at 12.54pm    Login    Register
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thanks mate!
markc
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   Old Thread  #5 4 Apr 2008 at 11.50am    Login    Register
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good little guide their Andy.
andycarpman
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   Old Thread  #4 3 Apr 2008 at 10.55pm    Login    Register
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believe it or not mate it took me about 3 hours or so to do. photos have gone a little fuzzy from being blown up and also not having a macro lense for my SLR but still gets the message accross i think
Stuski
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   Old Thread  #3 3 Apr 2008 at 10.52pm    Login    Register
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it is a good guide andy, well done could do with making a post #1000 so it stays at the top
andycarpman
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   Old Thread  #2 3 Apr 2008 at 10.10pm    Login    Register
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Thanks to the mods (CarpyPat i presume) for stickying this, should be a useful guide for some
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