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Mr-Bean-Laden

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#75 24 Jul 2025 at 7.46pm

In reply to Post #70
Carp fishing hall of fame = mutual masturbation

TCarper

Posts: 4442

#74 24 Jul 2025 at 7.37pm

In reply to Post #73
Thanks.... I'm trying

Enjoy your fishing trip. I tried to post your photo for you but the link is not working.

framey

Posts: 5181

#73 24 Jul 2025 at 7.28pm

In reply to Post #72
Quote...I didn't say it wasn't lol

Well if everything he said is true, whose fault is it exactly?
everyone in the �industry� not just his, I was just mocking.

You are Correct, they don't need to �bend anglers over� but in the same token
Anglers shouldn't be easily hooked.
You know the saying about a fool and his money.

Anyway,
seriously, enjoy your holiday

And think of us poor suckers in the ****ty English weather

I'm out on my boat at the weekend getting my hands dirty tinkering again
I will have at least 1 rod out and hopefully no t shirt on so I can top up my tan.
But at least I know no one will come and cast into my water lol

https://imgur.com/a/pjylPz9

TCarper

Posts: 4442

#72 24 Jul 2025 at 6.29pm

In reply to Post #71
Quote...I didn't say it wasn't lol

Well if everything he said is true, who's fault is it exactly?

Quote... Mags need to sell advertising to make it pay.

That's you washing over the indefensible. Yes they needed to sell advertising. What's wrong with honest advertising? It does not mean that they needed to bend anglers (their loyal customers) over and treat them like complete and utter fools to do that though. What else are 100% biased, paid for reviews? Basically just pure lies, under the guise of an honest review. Telling you something is amazing and you should buy it, even when they know that it's absolute junk. Lovely.... There is no excuse for that whatsoever Framey. It's just treating people like absolute fools. Their own customer base. That's never going to end well.

Everyone needs to make a living you're right, everyone needs to eat.... Does not make it okay to go out & stab people to get the money though. There is right, and there is wrong. That above is so wrong on so many levels.

framey

Posts: 5181

#71 24 Jul 2025 at 5.03pm

In reply to Post #70
�Every single word Baitman said is true though.�
I didn't say it wasn't lol

Everyone is looking for a living
Mags need to sell advertising to make it pay
You tube require you to click to make it pay
Instagram probably does also .. I only have an instagram account because it's tied in with Facebook.
And I'm too old for Tim tok

I said it earlier
It's a race to the bottom where bait is concerned
Everyone wants to pay the least they can
And let's be honest
It could be any old crap going into most bait but if you market it well enough it will sell.

Ali hamidi crying his eyes out because he's bought out a death rig component

Look at the ronnie rig
Wasn't it originally tied using braid and now there's a myriad of components sold to make it work.

Can I rephrase it
InStead of a race to the bottom where bait is concerned and change it to carp fishing

TCarper

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#70 24 Jul 2025 at 4.32pm

In reply to Post #69
Quote....So it's all Tim paisley's fault lol

Every single word Baitman said is true though.

You only need biased, paid for reviews, to sell absolute junk, to idiots.The people behind that, truly believe/d that we are/were all idiots. Why would anyone look up to that or respect it? I certainly never have. It sickened me. You only need a completely biased media, when advertisers money is involved... Then the truth becomes no longer relevant. They all cried that the internet brought down the magazines.... Balls did it, they 100% did it to themselves. Pumping out the same old crap, whilst telling the kids that a bunch of their pals, mainly all terrible carp anglers, were the dogs danglers. I was asked for years to write in CarpWorld. Over & over again. Apart from one thing (pressure from Lew at Gardner), I always flat out refused. You have to have some principals in life. I would never even dream of reading it after it went so far downhill, so why would I write articles for it?

How many times did anglers want to see Julian Cundiff rehashing a photo of a 12lber? Whilst telling any novice reading to go out & buy Key Cray? Or how to tie a PVA bag with a certain companies pellet, 79,666 times. Now they are all putting themselves into the carp fishing hall of fame for all that! The carp fishing hall of fame that they themselves came up with! It was/is all a sick joke. It was all just a means to keep them & their pals relevant. Carp fishing is formed of gangs when it comes to selling stuff. The magazines started all that. The best products in the world would NEVER get a mention, not if it did not suit a certain gangs agendas. That's still the way that it operates today. The companies themselves just now produce all the media. Watch a podcast, you will see anglers bigged up constantly as the best thing since sliced bread. Only if their using the gear that makes the podcast producers or their pals money. That's not real. It's just biased media to sell stuff. You only need biased media to sell crap. Quality sells itself. It always has.

I've always stayed as far away from it all as is humanly possible, work or play. Let them all crack on with it. Does it make the pastime I love a better thing though? Of course it does not.

Biased media is a terrible thing in carp fishing & always has been since certain mags went that way. That's just my opinion. Right or wrong it's an opinion that i stand by.

framey

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#69 24 Jul 2025 at 3.12pm

In reply to Post #68
So it's all Tim paisley's fault lol

Baitman

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#68 24 Jul 2025 at 3.00pm

In reply to Post #67
Cynical old sods (me included) can see through the turkey teeth smiles and fake gloss.
I remember when carpworld was our bible, some great articles by respected anglers.
Then it became an advertising machine...
The articles greatly favoured the anglers who also worked for the companies that were regular advertsers, and so the wheels were greased until it was on the verge of perpetual motion.
You pay for advertising and we will include an article that also promotes your products!
Don't get me started on reviews!
Pay for a nice advert and our shepherd's will tell the sheep what an amazing product this is... and slowly the quality and credibility of the magazine and writers became infected with a virus.

This virus then made the jump from print to free shop cds, YouTube, then social media.
Many of these "sponsored" anglers are influencers, media whores, lots of free stuff to promote, even if they are catching on tigers or some other bait, etc.
Their influence stretches further, when their boss can arrange to have areas of lake closed and prebaited, all in preparation for their boy to turn up and smash it and make the next video.

The next thing seems to be using sex! Nothing sells like sex...
Attractive young girls holding up carp that their boyfriend has probably caught, or a couple of milfs with their tits swinging around trying to escape their feeble restraints. Put a jumper on ffs

TCarper

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#67 24 Jul 2025 at 2.23pm

I'm laying on the beach, just having a little rant today. Just for some context of things that I said earlier. There are plenty of young men at Nash Bait who have just lost their jobs. Blokes who brought serious value to that company.

Meanwhile, the social media lot, who just take photos and flood 'the Gram' daily, their jobs are safe. Because there is some crazy perception in todays world that these blokes bring value. What value exactly does someone like Oli Davis bring to the table? Takes a wage, as far as I can see brings absolutely zero 'value' to the table for that company. Just social media lovelies. "Look at this photo of a sunset". "Look at this photo of me living it up whilst you lot all pay the price". "Now go buy some bait that's not very good".

But young carpers aspire to be that person, because of social media. The way I see it, he's just there to influence young carpers to buy the stuff. Nothing else. Young anglers are not buying the stuff though, otherwise they would not be going under. Yet still, the cycle continues. The blokes in the factory producing the bait are the ones who lose their jobs.

You think Oli & his ilk make your Bushwhacker pole any better? Or is the reality just that their wages double the price of the kit that you pay in the first place? The Bushwhacker is an exceptional product, that sells itself. It does not need media influencers to sell it... In the same way that the original Oval brolly from Nash did the same thing, without influencers and tonnes of free media. Or the original Scopex Squid? None of these things needed media lovelies to sell them. They sold themselves like an exceptional product always has, like an exceptional product always will. You need media lovelies & a teflon smile to sell crap. Ask Ali. But that has a very limited lifespan. What's the answer? To me, since social media sprang up this has all become a bit of a joke now. It's made a joke of carp fishing. We are hairy arse anglers, not women to be fawning all over blokes who take photos on social media, or who are on the TV. One of the iconic brands just went under... With these media lovelies at the helm. Who would have ever imagined that was even possible, a PLC, one of the greatest brands carp fishing has ever known.

You have to take your hat off to Korda & Mr F. They don't have these legions of sponsored lovelies in general. They actually rely on top notch kit. A small band of paid & very well respected UK anglers, who actually all need to bring value to the table. The exact same way that Nash used to be. Yes they have their entertainers & pump out the media... But you don't hear people speaking constantly about the terrible quality of Korda kit. You don't hear DnB over every bit of media that is pushed out. Anglers like Tom Dove & Darrell Peck are actually top of the tree carp anglers in the real world of UK carp fishing. Oli & Alan have never been that. Not ever. There lies the big difference. Mr Nash got old, as we all do. Gary Bayes retired. Where are the new oval brollies & the new SS & the like going to come from? If you think that stuff is going to come from media lovelies, you are very much mistaken. The proof is in the pudding of what has just happened.

TCarper

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#66 24 Jul 2025 at 10.25am

In reply to Post #64

The funniest thing about UK carp fishing is the way these blokes get put up onto pedestals. People (some not all) of who have never done a single days work in their entire life. They laugh at people who go to work on camera. You wonder how these people manage it for twenty five years, fishing all around Europe. It gives the impression they must earn an absolute fortune from consultancies.... Yet nothing whatsoever could be any further from the truth. It's an absolute pittance. Anglers put them up onto pedestals.... Their fellow leech's making the media perpetuate the illusions for them.

It's those poor anglers doing the hero worshiping, who go out to work five days a week who pay for them. When you eventually find out they have heavily disabled family members who always required carers en masse... You start to work it all out. The hows, and the whys of their full time angling.

Carp anglers will hero worship men like the above. That's not a 'man' though. That's a parasite, just like you said. The worst thing is that it's a parasite who will openly brag about it on camera. Running down people who actually go out to work & funded their entire life style for decades. These kind of people have the morals of a sewer rat. That's actually offensive to a sewer rat.

We wonder why the UK is now fecked.

Just waiting for some more fake profiles to turn up.....

whataclonker

Posts: 328

#65 24 Jul 2025 at 9.27am

Nash as a whole seem to have fallen out of popularity in recent years.

They've made some good gear & bad. During COVID their tackle went steeply down hill. I bought a Nash pod during that time. When I opened the bag & a pile of brass swarf fell into my lap with dodgy threads. I returned it to the shop & got a replacement which was exactly the same. So I swiftly returned & got a refund.. I'm not a Nash hater BTW. I own a pair of cork Dwarfs as my main rods which I absolutely love.

But back to bait, I seem to remember that Nash was popular in the late 90's/early 00's. Scopex Squid should surely deserve a place as one of the all time greats? (Of it's time anyway).

It is a shame I suppose but there's so much better quality bait & companies around now.

I doubt they will be missed for too long.

nickyp

Posts: 413

#64 24 Jul 2025 at 9.09am

The best thing will be watching all their consultants "if you can call these parasites that" running to the next bait company that is stupid enough to have them.

They'll all be doing a Shelley

SUNNYMEAD

Posts: 1243

#63 23 Jul 2025 at 8.22pm

Was in my local AD last week guys in there said no one ever buys Nash bait...in over 40 years of carp fishing I never used it but why didn't they go down the route of mail order like ABS and DNA etc

SamB

Posts: 91

#62 23 Jul 2025 at 3.25pm

In reply to Post #60
Well yes, unfortunatly for them I think that you summarised pretty much what their strategy has been, though I doubt they would say they "gave up on quality" completely. I said targeting a larger market was understandable, doesn't mean I think they did everything right, evidently they havn't!!

They were a big player in the UK at one point (up to 2010 maybe?), and I may be wrong but I think they had fallen well behind Mainline, Sticky and CC Moore (just examples of "big" companies with broadly equivalent quality baits) before thier recent growth period, lets say the Alan Blair years. I think their recent growth is in europe, less so in the UK, Alan says as much in his video.

They no doubt made other mistakes but for a start producing in the UK to sell in europe puts them at a disadvantage compared to local companies who are now well established as you say.

As for the "quality debate", I would have thought you would be the first to admit that there are other ways to dominate any water than putting in tens of kg of expensive 40% protein boilies, as long as you've got a decent hookbait! This is even more true in europe as you say, it's not that a high quality boilie would'nt work, it's just not cost effective if 90% of it is getting eaten by catfish, bream or even bloody turtles in my case! Also people in europe tend to session fish on a variety of waters rather than regularly fish one lake, so the advantage of a high quality boilie is also lessened.

kells

Posts: 5774

#61 23 Jul 2025 at 2.57pm

I think your find that a lot of the older bait company's that have been around for say 30 odd years. Don't hardly use social media at all. It's probably a combination of not really understanding how it works and just letting the baits quality do all the talking. Most are not trying to move mountains. Happy just to carry on as they always have. Quietly going about there business of putting smiles on Anglers faces.


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