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Mozzi
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Mozzi
   Old Thread  #383 9 Jan 2022 at 11.26pm  0  Login    Register
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Weve absolutely petrol bombed Gavs sponsor thread so I’ll shut up now lol
TeeCee
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   Old Thread  #382 9 Jan 2022 at 10.09pm  0  Login    Register
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Sure thing 👍

Mozzi
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Mozzi
   Old Thread  #381 9 Jan 2022 at 9.44pm  0  Login    Register
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well, protein isn't as black and white as the percentage in a bait the source and form is also important.

Broadly speaking yes, low protein baits will avoid excess protein effecting the water quality however, you aren't really doing the carp a disservice by providing a nutrient rich option.

The advice for fish keeping is on the assumption of that food you introduce forming the main diet for the fish, its also taking into account water quality for a much high level of carp biomass.


TeeCee
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   Old Thread  #380 9 Jan 2022 at 9.38pm  0  Login    Register
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Hi Mozzi,

I've always run with the thinking that it's better to lower the protein levels in a bait come winter, which, depending on the amount of nut = protein in a bait due to keeping fish myself and the general thinking/consensus and recommendations from fish food manufacturers as the colder months/winter sets in.

I've always kept in mind my fish keeping thinking and gone with a lower protein based bait. One bait that I always found did well in the winter is Richworth tutti frutti.
keeperboy
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   Old Thread  #379 9 Jan 2022 at 8.13pm  0  Login    Register
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Yes the feedback so far is mega! I hope it doesn’t let you all down!
Spike
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Spike
   Old Thread  #378 9 Jan 2022 at 7.45pm  0  Login    Register
Really like the nut bait. Think it’s going to have a great year
Mozzi
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Mozzi
   Old Thread  #377 9 Jan 2022 at 7.14pm  0  Login    Register
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I've banged on about nut baits not being brilliant for winter for a long time, but people insist on them.

The one we've been developing is low fat, and about as close to HNV as you can get with a nut based but BUT my preference would always be a well formulated combination bait like what you've mentioned.

However its a consumers market, I'll be shocked if your nut bait doesn't end up accounting for at least 50% of your sales once established.

Years ago I made what I thought was as close to perfection as boiled baits got, however field testers didn't like it until it was a certain colour
scaley&dark
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   Old Thread  #376 9 Jan 2022 at 6.56pm  0  Login    Register
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Probably bad angling, not the bait, but the bait is normally the first thing to blame.

So many good baits around, ready made wise, the people casting them out would not know the PH of said bait.
Unless you have an inner Tim Paisley

Boris_Carp
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Boris_Carp
   Old Thread  #375 9 Jan 2022 at 6.28pm  0  Login    Register
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Always used to be a bird food bait in the winter used to use hutchys red or yellow seed or when finances allowed his protein mixrvite 👍
keeperboy
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   Old Thread  #374 9 Jan 2022 at 4.02pm  0  Login    Register
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Baits that fail……could be a number of things, excess flavours, lack of aminos, to high in certain things.
Carp will pick up most things once but that’s not good enough long term.
Citric acid is a repellent if you overdose
snapper1
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snapper1
   Old Thread  #373 9 Jan 2022 at 3.54pm  0  Login    Register
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when some baits fail dismally could it be down to PH, thanks.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #372 9 Jan 2022 at 3.47pm  0  Login    Register
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That's very enlightening. I for one did not realise there were production issues with using eggshells, I assumed they were just chucked in a blender then added to the mix.
keeperboy
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   Old Thread  #371 9 Jan 2022 at 7.49am  2  Login    Register
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There seems to be general feeling that nut based boilies are good in winter but i personally have never found this to be completely accurate.My winter results have always been much better with fish/bird/milk boilies and it’s the winter when I do the majority of my angling. However any bait which is over applied at the time of the year when carp can take or leave food is going to end up sitting on the lakebed for the tufties!
Making a nut bait that works in the depths of winter, I focussed more on the other ingredients that I know will still be consumed in temps below 7/8 degrees. I have been impressed with the early catch reports on tricknut but if you follow us on social media you will see that Nutriplex is a consistent cold water producer.
Making a good winter bait is very difficult. I always used to revert to maggot fishing in winter but they are banned on many waters now which actually did me a favour. Like I said before I haven’t caught a carp on a maggot hookbait since 2016 and I’m at a place now where I’m so confident with the tactics in winter that I’m not sure if I will need to change it.
Minimum feed maximum attraction in winter
In Summer………..feed them and they will come 😂
Mozzi
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Mozzi
   Old Thread  #370 9 Jan 2022 at 2.14am  0  Login    Register
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My personal opinion is apart from the crunch I don't think they notice it. but at 4 quid a sack its less of a ball ache to get crunch than egg shell, which considering a lot of uk eggs are dipped in a shell detergent, need to be washed and ideally oven dried to destroy the membrane also.

I think for enough coarse nut product to cause buoyancy issues you'd be looking at it not being able to be rolled. I've experimented and the upper limits can be quite high with certain nuts
frothey
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frothey
   Old Thread  #369 8 Jan 2022 at 8.09pm  0  Login    Register
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But do the carp like it?

Its like a lot of ingredients, we can go on about amino context, availability, etc,etc, but if the fish like eating it why wouldn’t you use it?
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