 TC and controling fish
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In reply to Post #41
My main 4 rod setup are 12ft CFX Continentals, they don’t have a test curve as such, but are rated at 3-5oz casting weight, with a firm progressive action. Only reason I’ve got such heavy rods is because I fish a great big reservoir, where you can have massive winds blowing from any direction, making casting accurately at any sort of distance during the day, nigh on impossible and because of that, would quite often wait until the evening to cast out. I was wasting so much of my bank time not actually fishing. Heavier rods, capable of punching out heavier leads on heavier lines is the way forward during the summer months with 16hrs+ of strong winds at times. In the spring and autumn months (I don’t do winters anymore) I change over to my 3 rod setup of 12ft 3.25lb CFX’s, which to be honest are much nicer to play fish on. That said, the progressive action of the Continentals is a good compromise over a fast taper, out and out distance rod and the playing action is acceptable, albeit with slightly less control than the 3.25’s.
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In reply to Post #38
Bang on, although the lower TC rod puts ‘more’ pressure on in general, you’ve got way more margin for error through give in the rod when playing the fish. 4lb broom handle when a fish powers off on a lunge? Far less give, far less margin of error.
Also worth noting when the weed is up, TH uses old rods with more give in them. The reason, to use that to exert pressure on the fish itself, rather than hoiking the whole lot through including half the weedbed itself as you would a 4lb TC rod.
Horses for courses and each to their own, but I think this push into higher test curves is in part brands, and in part to accommodate the divvys who want to cast 6oz leads in farm ponds.
I cannot imagine 10ft 4lb rods are much fun playing a fish in comparison to the chap above on his ballistas
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In reply to Post #39
Realistically you don't, it's just tackle companies convincing us we do
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In reply to Post #36
True, I just cant imagine a situation where'd id need 4lb TC rods I guess.
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In reply to Post #10
I fully understand what he's saying, but, and it's a huge but, all of the guys that have suffered multiple 'hook pulls' at my place, over eleven years, have been using higher TC and/or fast taper rods. Absolute fact.
I'm not the only one who has noticed it either.
Use a 2.5tc Baby Ballista and you will 100% suffer fewer 'hook pulls' than if you use FMJ's
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In reply to Post #34
Depends what your situation is, if I'm flicking chods about in winter and spring the weed is all dead and I'll use 10ft 3lb scopes, the furthest I'm casting is 13-17 wraps so that's fine but when the Canadian is up having those extra beans is a good thing, average fish in there is low 30, loads of Canadian solid bags
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Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
The trade off is worth it in my eyes.
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I've used my R1FT'S for the first time this weekend.
I wasn't casting big distances under arm flicks. But the two fish I had were buried in weed and one had to get pulled away from a snag.
3.5tc performed admirably and I felt in control all the way. Horses for courses I suppose, but I was happy to have the extra backbone for sure.
Incredible blanks 👌
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In reply to Post #33
4lb TC, Jesus, I don’t fancy that in all honesty.
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I fish solid bags quite a lot when I can, I have a set of 12ft 4lb kiazen greens which I find great for solid bags. The 2nd time out on my syndicate I had a 43lb common that was adamant in taking me in to the snags to my left, rod tip under the water and just holding it without letting it have any line bent the rod right over and it decided that it wasn't getting in the snags under the trees. I'm sure if I wasn't using the 4lb TC I wouldn't be able to stop it from getting under there
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In reply to Post #31
It’s curious that playing carp on fly tackle feels more vulnerable than on low test curve rods or feeder rods, but I have never worked out why. Any thoughts?
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In reply to Post #1
You can definitely apply more pressure with a shorter rod (or one that bends more easily so the it has a shorter length when under load).
But a higher tc rod lets you feel in control.
I tried fishing for double figure carp on a 4 weight 7.5 ft fibreglass fly rod. I felt completely out of control but only had to give 6 - 10 feet of line.
On a proper carp rod and fixed spool reel with a great drag I felt in control but they made 20 yard runs.
Rods are a second form lever LINKY POO™ https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z24b9qt/revision/1
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In reply to Post #24
I've seen the over the shoulder method in action on the ebro, but the walking never stopped until the fish were flapping on the bank.
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In reply to Post #25
Unsure these physics wok in water, you could tow me round a swimming pool on 15lb mono
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In reply to Post #27
Don't mention that stuff, I tried "Illusion" for rigs about 20 years ago I think, I think a Stickleback could snap it, absolutely useless, I think they did improve it, but never tried it again. In fact, I hardly use anything from Korda, even their hooks would bend
But, my main lines for years have been "Ultima F1 Black in 0.35mm 18lb" for snags and off the beach (never use 15lb, it snaps like cotton) and Asso Fast Sinking in 0.35mm 16lb for open water, but, its like tow rope and snaps well above that.
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