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AndyCarper82

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#93 15 Dec 2025 at 7.28pm

In reply to Post #84
Your 50kw battery van actually does 180 miles in real world use?

EV database has the real word range for these vehicles and that ranges for this model from 90 - 195 miles, 195 miles being absolute best case scenario of low speed city driving in mild weather, 90 miles is winter on the motorway at 70 mph.

Your claim of 180 miles is questionable at best, especially when loaded.

btw, I've had an EV for over 2 years so I'm very much familiar with what they can do. I accept enthusiasm for these vehicles but it needs to be moderated to reflect reality.

vossy1

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#92 9 Dec 2025 at 8.33am

In reply to Post #91
80 miles (wouldn't need to charge) but can be more? So over 250 (and I'm being overly pessimistic with the range of an EV car)?? That would be a big daily commute

No you're not being pessimistic but yes some daily commutes are lot lot longer, the joys of a job in the field, leaving at 0500, home for 6-7pm, multi territory visits from Alnwick to south of Birmingham, sometimes London, you get the picture and the reason fleet didn't invest in electric.

Long hours charging? The van and polestar go from 0-80% in about 25 mins

No, I said she wouldn't want to add to her long hours, not that it takes long hours charging.

Just thinking about a 700 mile trip to France with Peugeot saying to me just over 100 miles on a full charge, linear assumption equates to maybe roughly 80 miles at 25 minutes @ 80%. I'd have to stop (assuming ideal conditions) 9 times, if already 80% charged leaving home...9x25 minutes adding almost 4 hours onto at best 12.5 hour journey....no thanks. Even jaunts to Cornwall would add to a already painful timewise journey..lol.
Granted, like you said, you could tie those charges into pit stops, but personally I like to drive straight through if I can, though if tired I will stop to pick up a coffee.

As you say, each to their own, there are still some applications where EV just doesn't work practically, not just hgv. A cars meant to make life easier not harder.

I guess you're going to find out re the longer journies

We did a multi stop Euro visit a while ago and EV would have worked there, would also have made it easier re emmision zones too.

frothey

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#91 8 Dec 2025 at 6.49pm

In reply to Post #90
80 miles (wouldn't need to charge) but can be more? So over 250 (and I'm being overly pessimistic with the range of an EV car)?? That would be a big daily commute. Get something like ZapMaps and you'll see how many rapids there are. Especially now Tesla have opened up their network because no one's buying their cars 🤣

Long hours charging? The van and polestar go from 0-80% in about 25 mins. Not that it would ever be starting from zero. The only time they take a long time to charge is when they are on the drive and we're asleep anyway 🤷‍♀️

But each to their own. For now 😂

vossy1

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#90 8 Dec 2025 at 6.37pm

In reply to Post #89
That's very true, EV is nothing new. As you said, not for everyone but stopping for a pee, it's just that, not I better find/worry about about finding a charge point first...and as you get older...lol.

My wifes normal daily commute is 80 miles motorway but can be a lot lot more depending where she is, and I don't think she'd want to add to the long hours by stopping to charge, or be tied to finding a charging point in the 1st place, and I don't blame her. That doesn't include time waiting in jams either. I concede as more points become available that will be less of a issue.

Also, as I said before, we drive to Europe fishing/holidays usually twice a year, though not as of late, and I can be doing without stopping every 150 miles or so, for however long it is, and that's with nice Euro services never mind the bloody awful U.K ones

The thought of mising a train/ferry due to needing to charge for whatever reason, just another worry I don't personally want.

I'm waiting in hope for longer range EVs, shame there's no bolt on battery pack you could hire/have fitted from your manufacturer for such instances. For us at the mo it'd have to be hybrid rather than full EV next car.

frothey

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#89 8 Dec 2025 at 6.10pm

In reply to Post #88
Cars were EV before they were ICE lol!

Average uk trip is 19 miles per day. Why is range an issue? And how often do people do 200 mile plus trips without stopping for a pee?

Charging infrastructure - I've never had to wait for a public charge, but rarely use them as I charge at home. Appreciate people without drives/garages may have an issue, which is why my daughter doesn't have one and I said they aren't for everyone. But it's really not the problem people make out.

But like I said, most people who are against don't have one. By and large people that have wouldn't go back. I remember all the arguments that people were coming out with when they were trying to get people into diseasel. We don't like change......

vossy1

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#88 8 Dec 2025 at 5.28pm

In reply to Post #86
My view is EV was simply launched too soon, but was their ever a right time. I'm not anti EV in any way, I just don't like the way it's been rammed down our throats and for the moment it's not where it should be, certainly range wise for me personally.

Infrastructure POV, it's not there by a long way. I'm talking the cable in the street, it was never envisaged to have such a draw as EV vehicles place on it.

EV's the green alternatiive, electricity generated by Drax using Canadian timber but because it's wood it's sustainable...twaddle.

Children mining the ores in African countries, much like for mobile phones...but strangley it rarely gets posted about, too inconvenient.

New sources required for those ores..we'll deep sea dredge where we havn't even been.

It doesn't sit easily with me for the mo, this energy Utopia, especially as we contribute, what is it 1-1.1% to overall global emissions, but every little helps.

I did have our VW Sharan LPG converted years ago, liked it, even in Europe it was readily available on the motorways and you could always flick the switch back to normal fuel.

frothey

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#87 8 Dec 2025 at 4.45pm

In reply to Post #86
Hydrogen combustion engines are actually a better idea, normal engines pretty much just mapped differently. Hydrogen isn't as power dense as petrol though,,,,,,

frothey

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#86 8 Dec 2025 at 4.44pm

In reply to Post #85
Hydrogen isn't efficient though. Takes about 100 miles of electricity to make 80 miles of hydrogen, if that makes sense. Hydrogen will be for commercial vehicles as the batteries needed for a lorry are just too big and needs too long to charge. People reckon there aren't enough chargers for EV, but how many refuelling points are there for hydrogen? And how do you store and transport the smallest molecule we have reliably despite the technology being 60 years old? Toyota gave the patents to the industry years ago to try and get the tech in mass use - most of the 2012 olympics vehicles transporting the athletes were Toyota Hydrogen vehicles. But how many are out there?

EV's aren't for everyone, but most who diss them don't own them. We've got the van (which we're doing west coast of France next year in), son has a Lexus UX 300e, I've got a polestar and have had EV's for 4 years or sp now, so have actually owned and lived them. Daughter can't charge easily, so has a hybrid. Like I said, wouldn't go back tho.

I'm sat in Norway at the mo - everyone says EVs are crap in the cold, yet 90 odd percent of their new cars are EV. Go figure.

vossy1

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#85 8 Dec 2025 at 4.04pm

In reply to Post #84
Sounds like a ideal situation for you

Range.....When we bought the Rifter it was 3 years old, the idea being it'd replace my Berlingo which is near 20 years old. The guy in the Peugeot dealership tried to sell me the electric Rifter so I asked him the range, he said something like 300 miles, sounded good.
I said we go to Europe fishing, it'd be fully loaded motorway miles, roof box prob, 80mph mostly, how many miles then, he said just over a hundred probably...so I said I'd have to stop 7 or 8 times and the journeys alread x hours, he just smiled

The bloke who does our house alarm has one of the latest VW transporters, (wrapped a lovey red & cream) said its brill range wise around town and lower speeds but useless on motorways range wise.

I'm sure they'll ger better with time and shrinking of battery size, I'm hoping hydrogen takes off. I believe JCB have a fully licensed hydro engine now fir the European market, and one of the Asian firms have one too. Also read 2 firms were dropping EV development for and exploring 'other avenues:'.

frothey

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#84 8 Dec 2025 at 1.06pm

In reply to Post #83
My missus has a Toyota Proace (same as the pug/vauxhall) medium wheelbase EV that we've converted to a camper. No belts, ad blue, chains etc and 180 miles or so to a charge, which is more than enough for us. Costs about �4.80 in charging to get those 180 miles. 10yr warranty on car and battery. And you can pick up 2nd hand EV's up cheap as chips - it cost us less to buy the van and convert it than to buy a diseasel std unconverted van.

I'm sure someone's going to tell me the range is rubbish, batteries don't last, etc but we'd never go back to ICE......

vossy1

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#83 7 Dec 2025 at 3.55pm

In reply to Post #82
I just think if you were buying a van today why would you get one with this known issue if you couldn't get proof that it had had the recall work completed.

You probably already know this but they can't just replace the chain , the head cover has to be replaced too and apparently you can tell by the lumps on it if it has the newer chain fitted, and also by the stamp number on the head. I get what you're saying but if you buy any newer model van you're already in the unknown, only after the first 18 months ish will issues tend to show on higher mileage fleet vans. I still wouldn't touch the over worked 1ltr ish petrol engines but unfortunately newer vans all have eco rubbish. They seem to be ironing the issues out with the 1.5 blue hdi but in another thread somewhere a fleet manager commented on several other issues, and then there's the adblue system...mine stopped working annually 3 times!
Horses for courses

AndyCarper82

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#82 7 Dec 2025 at 2.47pm

The chain stretching issue has been known about for some time now on the 1.5 bluhdi engine, it's been engineered out on later 23 onwards engines by using a thicker gauge chain.

I just think if you were buying a van today why would you get one with this known issue if you couldn't get proof that it had had the recall work completed. It's such a minefield getting a replacement van. If you have one already, deffo get the work done on the recall.

Apparently the 2.0 bluhdi isn't affected as it has a thicker gauge chain already installed from new.

vossy1

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#81 7 Dec 2025 at 12.34pm

In reply to Post #80
The timing belt in my emgine is a dry belt, but that's not the recall problem I'm talking about, it's the camshaft chain, see part 7 in the diagram below. There have been kits available for a while with upgraded chain size and new top cam cover etc, but this is the 1st I've heard of the recall

Tinhead

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#80 6 Dec 2025 at 10.25pm

In reply to Post #79
I'll copy and paste my reply to the post you mention.............

Sounds like your car has a welt belt.

My son's Vauxhall Grandlander of a similar age has one and it cost him approx �1500 to change and clean the engine because it had deteriorated and was clogging up the oil causing it to go into limp mode

vossy1

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#79 6 Dec 2025 at 6.43pm

So, I'm just following this up and will copy and paste this where I've commented on other threads.

Our 2019 Peugeot Rifter 1.5 Blue Hdi has just been recalled by Peugeot as a 'Urgent Safety Recall'. They're working their way through vins and contacting owners in some sort of sequence. There is also a compensation scheme in place for those who've already had issues.

To quote

May be affected by premature wearing of the camshaft drive chain, leading to abnormal noise, or a breakage of the chain in the worst case. To address this issue we will update the software to improve oil pressure and reduce wear. In addition the noise of your engine will be checked with a special application. If we see a problem with the chain we will replace it. If no problem is found we will replace the oil with to one with higher viscosity and special anti wear additives.

My car's already been serviced with the right oil but it will be going to Peugeot for a check, and to check it's still recommending the same oil. As this engine is used in other makes I assume they're on recall too, worth checking your engine.

Edit, looks like my engine is Engine (D) (DV5RC (YHZ))


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