 Synchro xt
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In reply to Post #53
Im struggling with my 18lb Synchro. Ive never known line coil up like it, although I'm not sure it affects the fishing once in the water.
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In reply to Post #53
It will behave exactly the same once it's been in the lake a few hours,I tried not soaking it and thats what happened to me.I hope im wrong but keep us posted 👍
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XT Update
I spoke to Johnson Ross about the line and explained how it’s been behaving very differently (and not in a good way) compared to how it used to. They suggested I bring the reels in, so I did this morning. A couple of the lads had a look, as did Anthony. They agreed it didn’t look brilliant, but said they hadn’t had anyone else complain about it.
They asked how I’d been loading it. I said I soak it in water first – they said they never do that. Fair play to them, they’ve respooled the reels for free. It already looks less lively on the spool, but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Something has clearly changed for me, though they go through a lot of line so it’s worth listening to what they’re saying.
I wonder how much difference the soaking actually makes? Thinking about it on the way home, I can’t even remember when or why I started soaking it before loading. I used to use an old Berkley line winder that was purely mechanical – not a million miles away from the set-up they use at JR.
I’ll report back on how it goes. Fair play to JR – this was never about the money, I just want to be able to trust the line to perform like it has in the past. I’d have happily paid for the new line, so kudos to them for sorting it free of charge.
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In reply to Post #49
I've been using the 15lb for a good while mate.
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In reply to Post #50
Undertow, and lightweight hangars 🕵
I was on a big lake in a light wind and in the morning my heavy swingers were right up and tight and my rod tips were bent round 🫨
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one thing I do notice with the xt now is it really takes on water, i fish semi slack lines and every morning the bobbins tight up to the alarm.....not just tight but string bow tight even when I take bobbin off and slacking it off it takes a fair bit of line to get tbe bobbin with a nice drop
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In reply to Post #48
what b/s technium you using?? I see the 15lb is .38
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In reply to Post #28
As I'm new to the joys of Synchro XT I can't compare it to its older self. But last time out I had it on two reels and Technium on the other.
If it was the weather that has caused it to suddenly become a horrendous, unmanageable mess then so be it, but the Technium continued to be it's super friendly, reliable self, despite the hot dry weather.
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In reply to Post #40
Yep me too, I never considered changing for years, I was totally sold on the stuff, never ever let me down.
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In reply to Post #23
TECHNIUM
I bought 6 spools of the 12lb grey Technium, used 1 bulk spool to redo one set of reels and the line has been fine for over a season. No breaks.
I am a bit paranoid due to hearing what others have experienced, so your test gives me a bit more hope
Next time I respool some reels I will give the line a yank every now and again whilst loading it on.
SYNCHRO XT
The fact they admit the coating has changed is proof enough it’s changed. They added the coating of the wiry line (bad) to the limp line (which was good) and now the limp is wiry. I don’t think we need call on the skills of one Hercule Poirot for this mystery…
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In reply to Post #38
To be fair, I used 3 new reels spooled up with it, just checked the spool, XT loaded when I was in France and I can confirm it was wiry but I also put this down to the smaller diameter spools. Wonder if my other stuff is not the loaded version lol
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So before I spool up again do I need the XT or the loaded, or none lol.
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In reply to Post #40
It's written on their Facebook
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In reply to Post #41
Its probably cheaper to put the same coating on both lines,I reckon theyve lost quite a few sales because of it though
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In reply to Post #40
When I first got my current reels I completely spooled up with Synchro XT, then when I needed to change just stripped back approximately 200m and have spooled up since then.
After my last session I cut all the line off to start again and the "original" stuff was a different colour to the newer stuff.
So for ESP to say it hasn't changed is complete tosh! 😡
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In reply to Post #39
Someone somewhere is talking 💩,one person saying they changed the coating to match the loaded and now trying say nothing changed.Its a shame as it was best all rounder id used
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In reply to Post #38
Agree totally, changed about 2 years back imo.
I recommended it to a mate about then...well I got both barrels, I was sure he'd got the loaded, but no, he gave me half a spool, it was xt.
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In reply to Post #28
What an absolute load of ******** that is,its not changed because of the weather at all.This was happening to the syncro I had over two years ago,they sent me a free spool out and that was exactly the same.I asked in a tackleshop I was in a few years ago and they said they'd had numerous people saying the same as we are on here.I switched to kaizen and its been superb
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In reply to Post #28
That's good feedback and very interesting indeed. I have used it for quite a few years now with no real bother, its a good reliable line for me. I fished at the start of the heatwave in France though and i did feel the line was more wiry if that makes sense, albeit it was on smaller diameter spools than i usually use too.
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In reply to Post #32
It sounds like ESP used to spool it in house, but dont any more. Could that be the difference!?
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In reply to Post #33
Heretic, you'll be blacklisted by Google in some data centre somewhere...troublemaker 😂😉
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In reply to Post #33
I know, hence the smile
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In reply to Post #32
AI just skims search engines and presents popular results, but it isnt necessarily the truth.
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It's changed, no doubt in my mind, even a quick AI search says as much 😃
Few years back I would guess.
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somethings changed, it used ro be so silky smooth and limp without the need to wet it, its not just this year its bad, possibly the last 2, I stripped my spools after one weekend at sandhurst as was awful a couple of years ago.
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I'm still using my 18lb syncro xt with no issues.
I will occasionally give the spools a spray with water and washing up liquid solution to aid cutting through surface tension and surface scum.
I also splash a bit of water onto the spools before use.
Thicker line will always seem less limp than thinner line.
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In reply to Post #28
You and I think alike 😉
I sent Dave a e-mail last Tuesday and we'd conversed a bit, but I haven't as yet had that info.
I didn't want to say anything on here as I hadn't cleared it with Dave 1st, but that's very much along the same lines. Ironically, I found a message in my drafts folder which hadn't sent last week, I sent it today but part of it concerned the weather.
If the mono is drying out in this exceptional weather, and it's causing it to behave the way in which it's doing, it's not to dissimilar to braid. You don't expect braid to act normally until wet either...hmm.
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In reply to Post #1
On the back of me clearly being in good company here, I decided to email ESP with the issues that I'd had with syncro xt, purely because it used to be such a great line
This was the response (im sure they'd have no issue with me posting this, it may be useful!)
Hi Chris,
We're sorry to hear you have experienced a problem with the Syncro. It's a strange one, as we were made aware of the thread on the Carp Forum but hadn't heard of any other complaints from retailers or anglers directly to us.
We contacted our monofilament manufacturer last week, who has made Syncro since we launched it in 2011 and they have assured us that nothing has changed with the specification, manufacturing process, diameter, coating or the way it is loaded onto the 1000m spools. Sometimes there is slight colour variation from batch to batch but the grade of co-polymer and its processing have always been very consistent. In fact, over the long period of time since we launched it, we have had very few complaints or issues and it has remained a market leader, despite increasing competition from similar products.
On Friday I compared 12, 15lb and 18lb XT against spools that I have had in storage for over 10 years and there was no obvious difference in terms of 'feel', strength or diameter.
A possible cause of the mono feeling wirier (although I couldn't detect this on the spools I checked from stock) could be down to the very hot weather this summer. I know from experience that when I fished last weekend for the first time in several weeks, the line on my reels did feel very wiry. I keep moistened elastic sweat bands on my reels, but had forgotten to re-wet them before I went and they had gone bone dry during the period since I last fished.
I know most anglers soak the spools before loading so this should cure the potential problem, but apart from very dry atmospheric conditions, at the moment we can't pinpoint and obvious cause.
If you would like us to send a replacement spool, please send your address and indicate which diameter you would like. It would be interesting to know if it feels any different.
Best regards,
Dave Ellyatt
Im sure you'll agree, a helpful and informative reply, (I'd expect nothing less from ESP to be fair)
I'm still convinced that it has changed though! They way I load amd store it hasn't.
I found a set of spare spools in a case loaded with 10lb xt that I used probably 10 years ago for distance stuff. It's still limp and lovely.
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In reply to Post #26
Not good!
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In reply to Post #25
Stuff I had from Bobco you could take a couple of feet in your hands give it a jerk & it snapped easily, it also didn't feel as smooth as the proper stuff.
Never got as far as knotting it to anything as it was definitely inferior to technium I already purchased prior.
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In reply to Post #24
That fits in with my comment about my knots. I used a 4 turn grinner, you could lose 10-20% breaking strain, so the 13lb 9oz could be more like 16lb + (maybe).
I didn't have the time to try various knots, and besides, I already had it past 12lb so knowing I could use a better knot I was happy with that 😎
Just odd that other folk aren't getting those results.
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In reply to Post #23
When i used to use the original technium i was getting 17lb plus knot strength with the 12lb 0.33 it had a really good strength to diameter
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In reply to Post #5
I've just break tested 2 of my 12lb BobCo Technium spools, as it's been bugging me.
I tested twice each, with a 4 turn grinner knot puller and scales sides. The line broke at one or other of the knots (not surprising, a palomar might have ventured better) but the minimum break figure was 12lb 7oz and the max 13lb 9oz.
I'm happy with that 👍
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Have been a long time admirer of XT. but after a few chats with fishing buddies who use the line they are also in agreement. I have horrendous issues of it flying off the spool (was loaded correctly and back wind). Definitely not the same line from years gone by!
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In reply to Post #17
I've been using Gardner Pro Dark Blend for a while now and can't find any fault with it.
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In reply to Post #17
I use Gardner pro in 12lb on my casting rods, quality line & cheap. Just a shame the higher breaking strains arnt quite as good.
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At least it's not me! Had issues with this line of late - ow well.
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In reply to Post #17
Going with Belch's suggestion and trying the OGX 😎
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In reply to Post #16
I’ve gone back to Gardner Pro Dark Blend now. Gave up with Synchro when it changed, couldn’t get on with Kaizen at all and Sensor seems to be like gold dust and the stupid nicks on the bottom of the spools really p1ss me off lol 😂
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Wish I'd seen this thread a couple of weeks ago, I've used Syncro for years and bought some more 15lb recently to re-do the reels and wondered if I'd done something wrong.
Doesn't sit on the spools properly, added to that I had one break on the cast and another on a fish - didn't know why at the weekend but will be stripping it off before my next trip.
Now need to decide what to go for instead, the TA OGX looks interesting, but other than that it's between the hyper sensor or the fox exocet.
Any suggestions?
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Anyone know the best place to buy technium in 12lb ? I’m going to get some for my all round fishing where no weed and snags. I’ve tried the ogx in 18lb and that’s just as bad as the last spool of gthd I bought.
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In reply to Post #9
Maybe the 15 wasn't affected by whatever the problem was, bargain if that's the case 👍
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In reply to Post #12
Its my understanding that it went cr*p when they decided to change the XT formula to the XT loaded formula (the 'faster sinking variant' which was always springy and horrible) and sell it with XT packaging, the only point of difference now being line colour . . .maybe they sold more Loaded to noobs etc and it was a marketing decision. . . . .who knows?!
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When did it go crap lads? I've got an unused spool of 12lb which I may have to throw away!!
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In reply to Post #1
I had a similar experience with xt in 15lb. I even tried gardner fluro lube on it and it would be ok for the 1st few casts, then back to coiling again. I'm back on Exocet pro in 18lb and not sure why I changed in the 1st place!
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In reply to Post #6
I stuck a spool of Gardner GR60 on instead. After a few seasions I decided that I genuinely still rate it
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In reply to Post #5
I've checked a spool of the 15lb earlier and it seems absolutely fine 🤞🏻
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In reply to Post #7
I agree it was brilliant, one of my spools has gone a but twisted, I thought I could just renew it.
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In reply to Post #2
Yep, never looked anywhere else for years, was a great line, ridiculous decision to change it, ruined.
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| | | Belch | | Posts: 4627 | | | MODERATOR | |
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In reply to Post #1
Synchro XT . . .RIP
PB Hybron (if you're feeling flush) or TA OGX is the way forward . . .
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In reply to Post #4
12lb, 4 spools all useless, not the bargain it seemed lol.
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In reply to Post #3
What breaking strain did you buy? I've got 12 and 15lb, but only want to use the 15lb for now.
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In reply to Post #1
Test the Bobco stuff well, all the spools I had were crap, enough to put me off using technium although I had no problems with it before.
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In reply to Post #1
Its completely different now. Such a shame. Used to be a great line
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So for some reason I decided to spool up with Synchro xt rather than my usual Technium.
It spooled up nicely. Hung limp and straight, looked great. Three very short afternoon sessions, with just one or two rods and it was behaving impeccably, apart from not sinking as well as the Technium.
Now three nights in and the stuff has become a complete nightmare!
Coils the whole length of it. Springing from the spool if the tiniest bit of slack is given and bizzarly seems to be even more keen to sit on the surface.
This crap will be getting stripped off as soon as I've got some more Technium delivered, or I might do a thorough test of the Bobco stuff I've been to worried about to even look at.
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